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Call out to all Registry and Registrar Representatives...Where are you on this forum???

Labeled as discuss in General Domain Discussion started by brindle123, Mar 22, 2016.

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  1. brindle123

    brindle123 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    This is a call out to all Registry representatives to show yourselves on this forum and help us domainers with the problems and issues we have with the registries.

    If there are any reps from the registries that are regulars on this forum or pop in from time to time, we need your help to clear up some pricing problems that we see as a hindrance to the industry.

    It seems like there is disconnect between the registry, registrar, and the registrant.

    If there is a price change, is that being relayed from the registry all the way down to the registrant?

    Can or will registries change domain pricing from non-premium to premium pricing?

    Can registrants renew at the current renewal rates if given notice? Is at least a 30 day notice being given to domain registrants prior to any pricing changes?


    I welcome all Registry and Registrar reps to participate in this thread and discussion. Please help us. This will only help your business too! All domainers are also encouraged to discuss these questions that I posed to the registries and registrars. Let's clear up the grey areas.
     
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  2. brindle123

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    Bueller
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  3. Rightside

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    We’re posting to this thread in order to provide information about Rightside’s domain pricing.

    We have never moved a registered standard domain to a premium price tier or raised the price of a registered premium domain. This type of activity is not part of our business model and therefore we have no plans to do so now or in the future.

    Rightside also maintains a set of high-value premium domains that we call Platinums. These domains are available for negotiated prices. Our Registrar partners handle these domains in different ways. Some of them provide a ‘Make an offer’ option, others show a high retail price (greater than $55,000/yr) and some show them as unavailable. The WHOIS information for these domains will include the following info: “This premium domain is available for purchase. If you would like to make an offer, please contact platinums @rightside.co.”
     
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    I think it's not a good idea if new gTLD registry set the renewal fee for premium domains higher than standard renewal fee, especially for those tlds which want to compete or even intended to replace the dominance of .com.

    It's okay if you set whatever price do you want for a new registration but no for renewal, if you are still use that business model .COM will remains and always the KING, at least for me.

    EDIT: and the .NET will be still the queen :)
     
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    I think op just stated that the renewal price will always be same as registration price.
     
  6. SiteMachine

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    Waiting on @brindle123 to admit he's a fearmonger spouting nonsense....

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  7. brindle123

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    Sorry I have a life and couldn't reply until now.

    That's a great thing to say on a forum, but where is it in the TOS or user agreement when a domain is purchased?

    Just because you say it now doesn't mean that you can't do it. You say you "won't" but not saying you "can't".

    I've read the post by Michael Berkens where his domains changed from a standard renewal to a premium renewal. If it is not in the TOS, then it can be done.

    People get elected president saying "No new taxes", then they raise the taxes.

    This is a legitimate fear among others domainers and investors, not just me.
    Renewal prices go up, without notice and putting that back onto just the registrars and not the registry or ICANN is bull. If ICANN won't let the registry give notice all the way down to the registrant, then the registry needs to fight that fight for the registrant. We are the customers and when we get burnt, you get burnt.

    Stick up for us. Help us. We don't have lobbyists fighting for our rights at ICANN like the registry/registrars do, or at least on the same level.

    NO!

    Saying you won't or that it is not part of your business model is great, but CAN you make that change is the question being asked here!

    So...can you change a domain from non-premium to premium if you wanted to?
    If you say no to that question, I would like to see where in your policy that it say's you can't!
     
  8. SiteMachine

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    pics or it didn't happen

    Anecdotal like every other piece of evidence you've presented.

    Case dismissed, next....
     
  9. brindle123

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    Hexonet is a reseller and registrar not a registry. Just like the guy in the other thread that you are popping off on the beef is with the registrar. If you read the most recent reply of the OP in the other thread that prompted you to start this you will see that after he kicked and screamed godaddy said "oh wait now we can renew it at the same rate"

    LOL, or it makes no sense bc the proof he gave negated his point.
     
  12. Hypersot

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    I didn't follow the link. All I'm saying is that I agree with what he says, that's all.. free country and all
     
  13. brindle123

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    Show me where it says that a registry can't change a domain from non-premium to premium.

    No one knows for sure. That's the problem.

    If they can't change a domains status from non-premium to premium then the registry should just come out and say they can't, not that they don't have plans to do that!

    I don't plan on going to the store today, but I might and can if I want to.

    I doubt that any registry will come on here and put in writing that they can't change a domain's status.

    It was Minds + Machines.
    Unless we have a list of what was listed as premium from them, then we don't really know if they changed the domains from non-premium to premium.
     
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    Ok, I guess we will have to see if Minds + Machines says something, I did reread the article and you're right Hexonet actually did the right thing and paid the difference which kind of makes me want to know what happened afterwards on these domains.

    Also, I know this will get me bashed on here but if he was sitting on those domains and not developing them at all after an entire year and they really were premium names (please really think about this for a second) wouldn't it be unsustainable for new gtlds which as we all have admitted have generally smaller pools of attractive SLD strings that work with them to allow us (or domainers in general) to sit on them completely undeveloped? I know I'm biased but if he had sites up on those then I would be considerably more outraged, but I also think he might have had more leverage.

    I'm just saying everyone hates on the new gtlds for being undeveloped, maybe some registries are considering that part of their business model...
     
  15. eenmakkie

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    companies will always put the fault by the other. I do not know who did do the increase in price, other that it was real and no error, as the support guy told me that. I asked him many time to check it as it could not be possible and needed to be an error.
    Also for sure there are laws protecting my purchase.
    But it seems I did not bought anything, I am just renting a domain name. As you rent a flat or house.
    After the contract, the owner can increase the rates as he wishes. Some laws do protect you for certain times. But once finished those times, it is out the house or pay what I tell you to pay.

    At times of registering the many new TLD's, I have seen big price differences between registrars. What only tells that some registrars are slower as others by adapting the rates.

    The most important of all this for all is: can it happen again? Not will they do it, NO, can they do it?

    If they can by law and they are short of cash in the future when the next .newTLD crash comes, then they will use all tricks to find money if it is legal. I don't want to wait for that if it is legally possible.
     
  16. brindle123

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    I would like to know more about this issue that Michael had. I read all the other comments and nothing more was really said about the outcome. It started out with 20 domains for him then he found 5 more that were premium. I would like Mind&Machines to come on here and give their side of the story. I know Michael covered most of it in the blog though.

    I would also like to know if there is anything in the contract with the registries and ICANN that covers non-premium to premium changes, if there is anything in the contract at all that covers that issue.

    The point about Michael just sitting on the domains doesn't fly, because there are 1000's of gtld domains held back by the registries that are not developed. Keeping them priced at $55,000 per year will keep them sitting on the shelf too! I would be very worried about buying a domain for $55,000 per year if the renewal could go up to $75,000 without any notice. Even with notice, if you own a domain with $55,000 renewal fees, and you want to beat a price hike and register it for 10yrs, you would have to come up with $550,000 before the price hike.

    These are some major worries that people have about the new gtlds and the registries pricing on them. If I buy a gtld for $20 and the renewal goes up to $30, where could a $55,000 domain renewal go to? I think that could be scaring off investors and developers from the new gtld market.

    Plus as a seller and buyer within the aftermarket, I need to know the renewal price on every single domain that has variable pricing within each gtld. Not having a standard renewal fee for a gtld is a huge problem for the aftermarket! All these problems need to be worked out by the registry, registrar, and registrants or the new gtlds will fail or take forever to come into favor with the general public.

    I wanted to buy a domain in the aftermarket last month, but didn't know if it had a "premium" renewal pricing attached to it. That got me thinking about what a huge issue this is for the aftermarket. Gtlds with regular renewal pricing across the board don't have this problem. I couldn't contact the buyer due to the private whois. Plus that would go against my strategy of showing interest in the domain. There was nothing in the description about the renewal costs either. I couldn't ask the seller a question on the aftermarket site without first putting in an offer. The domain had a minimum offer amount of only $100, but could have had a $500 a year renewal fee. I got frustrated and decided not to pursue the domain.
    Moral of that story is I lost a domain, the seller lost a sale, the aftermarket site, lost a sale, and the registry looks bad for having crazy pricing structures for different domains within a gtld.

    I'm used to weird things in the market, but if the general public gets surprised by irregular pricing within a gltd, then they will lose faith in the gtld market, domainers, and registries/registrars.

    I'm just trying to point out problems that I've already seen with the roll-out of the new gtlds. There are some really good gtlds and there are some horrible ones. The pricing structures, policies, and renewal pricing really needs to be looked at and discussed between all of us or we will all be having some serious problems soon.

    So let's work out the kinks without getting personal. Let's point out the problems and concerns we have so that the registries and registrars can fix things so we all can make some money and keep this industry moving forward.
     
  17. robaireg

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    1) Hexonet paid no difference. M&M pulled an ILLEGAL heist and MBerkens capitulated even though it was 100% illegal. & Hexonet would be too smart to get taken like that. they would never ever pay that difference. (because they are in closer touch with the sharks that tried to pull that scam)

    2) why was there was no consultation on the renewal price hike? what did M&M base their ''new'' figures on? no one knows because they just made those new prices up, they just ''felt like it''.

    3) M&M could be arrested for that fraud in some countries. in China they might get shot for consumer fraud.

    4) the LAW says that an agreement is entered onto at purchase. you cannot change that agreement later on at your own terms with no agreement from the other party in the original agreement. (I did a long thread on this) otherwise it is basically theft. all merchandise law backs this up, it is plain as day, (except domainers do inhabit an alternate universe where fraud and ripoffs are more expected, probably, so they don't think it's all that unusual)

    5) they are testing their limits when they do this because it is completely illegal. they are counting on the sucker to pay up or else drop the chattel, which is what they count on.

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    on another topic.
    has anyone had a post deleted because they dared to mention a name they have that might be ''avaliable'' ..., yet there are entire threads for the one purpose of promoting and selling names,
    ..but hey, it's ok because that person is an insider. big difference. so they they don't get their posts deleted much less their entire threads which are nothing but vulgar over the top promotion vehicles for their own sales.

    stick this in your Domainer 101 ... along with 25 other ''secret'' entries such as

    1% of portfolios ever turn over which means that 99% of portfolios are either renewed at cost or dropped. figure the math there.
     
  18. brindle123

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    M&M should put out the list of reserved or premium domains that had Michael's domains on it. That would prove that there was an issue between Hexonet and M&M.

    That list would have to pre-date Michael's purchases. Still, I think M&M should honor the pricing that he was given or completely refund all the money he spent on the domains, because no one would buy them from him at the prices they got raised to, so he was left holding the domains until he dropped them.

    In my eyes Mind and Machines are liable for the loss.

    Just this one "mistake" makes them look bad and makes others lose faith in the registry. I'm sure Michael thinks twice before registering a M&M gltd, if he ever would again. He spends more than many of us on here combined, you would think the M&M would want to keep his business and not look so petty on some so so domains. Even at a regular pricing those domains were questionable(sorry Michael). Like he said in his blog, he reg'd banfishing.com after M&M up'd the renewal fee on ban.fishing.

    "I just registered the domain name Banfishing.com which was available for under $8.50"

    M&M wanted him to pay $550 for Ban.fishing! Seriously, $550 for ban.fishing. Get real M&M! They wanted $1100 for great.fishing!

    There are 4 different prices for .horse listed on his blog. When he goes to sell those, he has to list the different pricing for each one. A seller would have to ask the renewal on each one. What a pain.
     
  19. SiteMachine

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    Any info sent to the registrars for a gtld that namecheap carries would be available via their api. You could write a program to check all your names daily and report any increase in renewal fees or change to premium status.
     
  20. robaireg

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    of course M&M are FULLY liable for his loss, and should offer complete refund,

    but they are also liable for damages, as to cover his business losses on this scam.

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    there was never a list of premium pre-dating his purchase because they figured out AFTER the purchase that some ''good names'' were got at reg and then they decided to try and steal them back.

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    and I think I will start a new thread to promote my domains for sale and watch how many minutes that one stays up. oh I forgot, I haven't got a special deal for stuff like that.

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    needless to say a thread like that is disgusting and wrecks the credibility of a forum where you have 2 or more sets of rules. and thanks again for deleting my posts that mentioned one of my names.

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    and I do dare and challenge that OP bright now to fess up that he is a very close co-hort of that name's seller. and probably gets %.
     
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    bottom line with domaining is that 98% of the money is made with regs and renewals (or easy drops) and your chances of making your money back from a purchase are going to be rather slim at best.

    and then you have threads where a newcomer makes a fortune after just 6 months by ''seeing the light'' ... oh righto...

    that fella with the sudden impulse to go from his brandbucket into 4N's where he amazingly tripled his money, wow was he ever well connected with just the right brokers to get that kind of result. so amazing. oh sure that thread is legit and not made up by a registrar agent.
     
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    O_o I'll take a hit of whatever this guy's on, please and thank you...

    Seriously tho, what about the rules? Its funny there is one set of them and it isn't that hard to understand, it allows for you to promote your names in the correct place at the correct time just have to read it.

    All this talk of liability and let me guess, YANAL?
     
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    the rules? Its funny there is one set of them and it isn't that hard to understand, it allows for you to promote your names in the correct place at the correct time just have to read it.

    some rules are not as equal as others ...

    come on OP over there, tell the forum what your % is.
    be straight up dude.

    YANAL You Are Not A Lawyer

    Law 250 at accredited institutions plus other law coursework as part of a law-related degree program. = YICAL


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    dang the absolute brilliance of going from Brandbucket junk into 4N's at just the right time ONLY 6 months after starting out and THEN making a fortune.

    OH WOW, I feel so stoked, I think it's time to reg another 1000 $ worth of worthless junk.
     
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    How many thousands of posts have there been of all these great new TLDs newbies have registered? Now the reality is starting to come to light. Buy real TLDs .COM, .Net etc and your renewals will only increase about $1 annually.
     
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    oh yes of course buy .coms.

    oh wait .... 52 weeks later, you're asked to buy it all over again ... whoa. and then 52 weeks after that, buy it all again .... whoa ....

    hey this is fun.

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    but as D Walker said elsewhere the Icann part of the renew fee (on .coms) is less than 75 cents (and of that how much is actually expense? probably 10% or less)

    and the remainder is registrar fee of between $ 10 and 30 (or 80 in the case of Cloud Media of Norway's offerings) of which over 99% is pure profit. and what is the actual cost of firewalls, registry inputs etc. pennies at most once the program is installed. so it's in the order of 99.999% profit. nice business model if you're on the ''inside, hyping to the outside''

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    and who got to ''own'' the internet and how did they get to own these parts of it?.... when your names should actually cost pennies to register and pennies to renew.
     
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