discuss Boycott new gtlds!!!

[Media King]

stop register new gtlds

boycott high renewals!

 

[Kate]

I think that pressure should be put to remove premium renewal fees. It is encouraging that extensions such as ICU have committed to never charging premium renewals - even premium domains are at standard rates.

It is nonetheless important to note that nTLDs are not like .com, they are not regulated and the conditions could change. We have seen it already. Brutal price changes, clawbacks. A few years ago FS also said how much he disliked the premium pricing model, but desperate conditions call for desperate measures sometimes, not excluding greed.

If you stick to mature extensions and understand the rules (ie some TLDs do not allow adult), you will be fine.
Ntlds are risky, at varying levels. Some are run professionally and ethically, others are simply not trustworthy. Do your homework. Because Icann created that mess and you should not expect them to help you if things go wrong. What have they done so far for the people who got conned by virtue of their nTLD program ?

If anyone is to be boycotted, it is the country codes that are really cashing in, such as .io and .ai. There is no real reason why the administration of these extensions should require the fees being charged.

You have to keep in mind that some ccTLDs have few names registered, some African countries have hundreds, thousands of names registered, so they cannot realize the economies of scale available to bigger registries.
No matter the size of the zone (numbers of domain registered), the registry still needs to pay salaries to their staff and own infrastructure, but note that some ccTLDs are literally run by one person (.ai ?), some are even on auto-pilot it seems (some African ccTLDs)

.com has 130M+ domains registered and is a huge cash machine, domains could be handed out for pennies and they would still be profitable. It's not surprising that small ccTLDs have to charge $50/year and above. Prices tend to decrease over time, in relation to TLD growth.
I don't have an accurate count for .io at the moment but I would be surprised if they have more than 50K regs presently.

 

[MSN-Domains]

but note that some ccTLDs are literally run by one person (.ai ?)

CoCCA has 4 locations worldwide could be more, but very generous of you Kate to offer the possibility of 1 human running the registry

I don't have an accurate count for .io at the moment but I would be surprised if they have more than 50K regs presently.

410,000 close but no cigar, only 8100% off the mark

 

[Grego85]

You have to keep in mind that some ccTLDs have few names registered, some African countries have hundreds, thousands of names registered, so they cannot realize the economies of scale available to bigger registries.
No matter the size of the zone (numbers of domain registered), the registry still needs to pay salaries to their staff and own infrastructure, but note that some ccTLDs are literally run by one person (.ai ?), some are even on auto-pilot it seems (some African ccTLDs)

Why should this be an acceptable excuse for cctlds but not new gtlds?

 

[MSN-Domains]

any end user seriously interested in ngtlds has all the scope in the world to hand register something. No shortage of options to choose from and absolutely no reason to overpay on the aftermarket.

Good point, Some great ones are not purchased. Recently advised a Print on-demand business to pick up the nGTLD it cost $5750 the reason it's not with a domain holder is because of the price, The lady who runs the business recouped investment within the 2nd month.

Some are worth their weight in gold, If the right one came along i would purchase but not overpay knowing renewals will kill the holder's cash-flow faster than mine

nGTLD's for the most part should not be purchased unless truly access the risk of owning them

 

[Kate]

Why should this be an acceptable excuse for cctlds but not new gtlds?

Many nTLDs are owned by one single owner (ie Donuts, Radix) so they already enjoy economies of scale: there is consolidation.
The infrastructure and management is basically the same if you run one TLD or hundreds of them, what is different is the scale. However, there are still fees to be paid for each TLD (application and renewals).
Obviously, the single-TLD registries are at a disadvantage here, but that was part of the business plan. If you charge a lot of money for unattractive strings, the outcome is easily predictable so it's a balancing act.
But again, they can outsource registry operations to backend operators like Afilias or, Nominet. And they do.

It is also important to point out that the dynamics are different: most ccTLDs are run by non-profit or state entities, while nTLDs are commercial operations for profit.

Of course it makes sense for small ccTLDs to cooperate, that's why there is Cocca.

 

[donnied79]

I don't like, generally speaking, the new gTLD, but just saying BOYCOTT!!!11!! doesn't help anyone

 

[dirk]

We actually tried to relaunch to a .network as that was an exact match of the company name that ends In network.

Switched back to .net after a month as clients would be like this:

Client: what's your email?
Me: [email protected].
Client: is that .com or .nl?
Me: no, that's .network.
Client: yeah I got that but is it like, ending in .com or .nl
Me: forget about that, drop the mail to [email protected].
Client: great, added you to my contacts.

I personally like ngtlds but I'm a geek, a nerd and love pretty urls. The average end user or client doesn't recognize them (yet) and untill they do I would advise anyone who's not a major player in their field (or a hipster Startup with way too much funds to market a domain) against using a ngtld.

No reason to boycot the second grade (Read ngtld) version of .com/net/org/cctld though.

 

[ET76]

Boycott new gtlds!!!

lol

 

[NYJimbo]

I pretty much stopped reging anything but .com and .org domains.

I don't have the time or energy to spend first researching com and orgs for a few hours and then go on to highly speculative tld's that most people dont want anyway.

Sure, if something is in plain sight and catches my eye and is cheap, I might reg it. But I am done going through the dozens of other popular ngtlds, forget the other thousand that nobody buys. I don't get worked up trying to figure out if a keyword works with 100 other tlds and then spend time researching what that combo might sell for and who might be a potential buyer.

When I buy a good GD closeout or a snap .COM , it feels like money in the bank. When I do that with a ngtld, it feels like I just bought into some little known crypto coin that feels insecure.

As most of my ngtld's expire, I will just let them drop or sell them to some sucker that is just starting out in the game.

 

[NYJimbo]

The average end user or client doesn't recognize them (yet) .

But many of them have been around for a decade. At what point will they recognize them ? We got over a thousand TLD's and people still want .com first. I've designed websites using some clever ngtld combos and quite a few clients regret it.

 

[dirk]

But many of them have been around for a decade. At what point will they recognize them ? We got over a thousand TLD's and people still want .com first. I've designed websites using some clever ngtld combos and quite a few clients regret it.

I'm not sure people will ever get it. In my opinion the downfall of Ngtlds is that there are way to many of them.

If you have like, mycompany.com people will remember mycompany and the .com is obvious to them. If you'd use my.company they'd have to remember your business is mycompany, your domain is my and the extension is .company. instead of using a better domain we just made it harder for someone to remember.

Now imagine how that would work for something like ''mybanking". Mybanking? "Cool I'll check em out at mybanking.com. (net/org may work as well). Nope, not the website. Let's try mybanking.net/org. No... Not it.... Wait there was something else to it.. mybanking.com/loans.... No not it but wow, their competition has some sweet interest rates going on. Let's try mybanking.loans.com.... no... Ok, I'll try and remember their website when I pass that billboard again next week."

One week later... Driving by... It says "get started at mybanking.loans... " I wonder why they don't mention their website really big on the billboard..."

Of course this is exagerated a bit but showcases why I'm not a big fan

Same goes for email. When we started using a .network just over 40% of mails that were sent by using a type in for the domain was sent to either our .com/cctld/.net domain.

That being said... Maybe when domains will start to be even less important in the future ngtlds are gonna work.

 

[golan]

I have only two
some.crap.domains

Please stop promoting your meaningless names in all inappropriate threads around. Thank you

 

[topdom]

You are not supposed to renew as a domainer. Drop and buy again. If renewals remain in 2 figures, this wouldn't be a problem for endusers. Maybe we should learn how to sell a domain in 6 months.

 

[NYJimbo]

You are not supposed to renew as a domainer. Drop and buy again. If renewals remain in 2 figures, this wouldn't be a problem for endusers. Maybe we should learn how to sell a domain in 6 months.

Yeah, whatever....

 

[HotKey]

stop register new gtlds

boycott high renewals!

I'm all for rise against the machine and whatnot, but at least have some juice in that meat to whet our appetites..
eg.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/lets-boycott-new-gtlds.948318/

Know the renewals b4 you register/aftermarket purchase, be smart with your investment. If you can sell it in a year, wonderful, if not and you want to hold for many years, make sure it's worth it and you can budget for it. No one's forcing you to go the new G' route, you want safety stick with the classics.

New G' pricing structure CANNOT be trusted, know this before giving your money. Boycotting will not make much of a difference, too many of us are vested deeply into them and we love the names. Besides there will always be end users looking for only that one maybe two names who won't care about renewals because they have found their perfect name. But I feel you, as domainers every year can feel like a coin toss..

 

[philski]

And, Thankfully,,, Boycott is still available in dozens of extensions.
Premium priced to sell too.

it is kinda fun that you can find just about any word you never dreamed you would own. Good solid single word dot somethings. Prob your own first name available right now. And, most are not that expensive to renew.

Question,, has anyone seen one ranking on google? I have seen a few, but they are rare in the population of things. And none have been .moda .gives .toilet etc.

 

[Media King]

.CHARITY PREORDER AND
EARLY ACCESS DEADLINE

General Availability for .CHARITY begins
at 10 a.m. MDT (4 p.m. UTC) on Sept. 19, 2018

.CHARITY

I want a .king domain extension

 

[NYJimbo]

.CHARITY PREORDER AND
EARLY ACCESS DEADLINE

General Availability for .CHARITY begins
at 10 a.m. MDT (4 p.m. UTC) on Sept. 19, 2018

.CHARITY

".CHARITY domain names will cost $49.00 USD/yr. "

Considering the cost and how most of the good ones are probably already pre-ordered, I'm not going to bother with this one.

 

[Media King]

Registry: Corn Lake, LLC
Registry Backend: Donuts
Type: Generic
Category: Commerce
Priority #: 1107 - Donuts (Corn Lake, LLC)
1312 - Famous Four Media (Spring Registry Limited)

Corn Lake, LLC??? lol
it sounds unsafe for me

 

[philski]

if i had a catering company... and my last name was King. king.catering

$0.13 cents a day to own it. never be a time like it again. i dont think, And, could be an easy way to build a business,, around a domain.