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Boycott new gtlds!!!

Labeled as discuss in gTLD Discussion started by Media King, Sep 14, 2018.

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  1. Media King

    Media King Established Member

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  2. MarketingStrategies.com

    MarketingStrategies.com Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    Proud to say I have never owned a ngltd.
     
  3. DnameAgame

    DnameAgame BrandPlease.com, see [email protected] BuyNa.me Gold Account

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    HAHA that usually happens (naturally) after the 1st year renewals come around HAHAHAHA
     
  4. MarketingStrategies.com

    MarketingStrategies.com Upgraded Member Gold Account VIP

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    any end user seriously interested in ngtlds has all the scope in the world to hand register something. No shortage of options to choose from and absolutely no reason to overpay on the aftermarket.
     
  5. lolwarrior

    lolwarrior Founder, Brands.International VIP

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    Media King, why only 3 exclamation marks in you clickbait title? You are limiting yourself unnecessarily :)
     
  6. Grego85

    Grego85 Quality.Domains VIP

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    Troll on the loose!

    What a great contribution to the forums you've made so far OP..
     
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  7. MrAcidic

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    Any reasoning behind this?
    Or do you feel that a random statement without explanation is going to make us agree with you :xf.confused: :spam: :sleep:
     
  8. Furquah

    Furquah The Captain VIP

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    I am more thinking about boycotting You instead of anything.

    Do you some how related to @Premiums ?
     
  9. Media King

    Media King Established Member

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    I had only .world and grace deleted it.
     
  10. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent VIP

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    I think that pressure should be put to remove premium renewal fees. It is encouraging that extensions such as ICU have committed to never charging premium renewals - even premium domains are at standard rates.

    If you exclude the premium, I think renewal rates in the most popular ngTLDs are not unreasonable. A few weeks ago I did a blog post on what the best renewal rates for the 10 highest registration new extensions. I used TLD-list to find the best current renewal in each domain extension. I subsequently updated this when the FFM extensions were taken over by new management and the fees changed.
    • .top $4.99
    • .loan $11.50
    • .xyz $8.50
    • .club $8.88
    • .vip $6.99
    • .online $16.99
    • .win $11.50
    • .shop $25.95
    • .ltd $14.46
    At the same time I used TLD-list to also find the best rates on the most common legacy and some of the 'general' country code names. These results are below:
    • .com $8.75
    • .net $9.78
    • .org $9.99
    • .info $10.98
    • .io $29.95
    • .co $21.47
    • .ai $70.88
    While these vary from day to day, and I have not adjusted them all today, the overall picture is similar to this on any recent day. I think it can be said that well over 50% of ngTLD registrations have renewals similar to the popular legacy domain names.

    If anyone is to be boycotted, it is the country codes that are really cashing in, such as .io and .ai. There is no real reason why the administration of these extensions should require the fees being charged.

    My complete post is at this link if interested.

    Bob
     
  11. .X.

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    I have never owned one, and never will, i don't oppose them though, everyone has their preferences, i just don't dig em personally, yes, the renewal fees for those are outrageous.
     
  12. Media King

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    $32.88/yr (namecheap)

    RADIX TLD .online prices increases
    $16 - old renewal
    $32 - new renewal

    .tech - $45 / year !!!

    Stay away from Radix domains!
     
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  13. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent VIP

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    The renew rate for .online at the least expensive registrar (Namesilo) as of today is $16.99, just as I had quoted in table (note that I said that for both legacy and new I had used the least expensive renewal). According to TLD-list the .online renewal rate at Namecheap is currently $19.06, not the $32 you quoted.

    As not near top 10 extensions, .tech was not covered in my list, but the renewal rate at Namesilo is $24.79 currently. Fortunately I have .tech at Namecheap up for renewal, so for that extension I can check the rate directly at Namecheap (I don't own any .online currently). The rate for renewal of .tech at Namecheap is $23.88 (+$0.18), not the $45 you quoted.

    I see you only joined NPs on Sunday @Media King. Perhaps if you don't actually have any new extensions registered at Namecheap you don't realize that almost always the rate they actually give you when you have a renewal is much less than some "retail" price.

    Since you are so new to NPs, perhaps you do not realize that there are tools that make it easy to find the best rates on registration, transfer and renewal at all registrars for all extensions.
    Because of fluctuations in prices I always recommend that people lock-in for multiple years if they have a long term holding strategy. Since you mentioned .online and Namecheap, I would point out, for example, that those registering .online domains at Namecheap now (its been on for some weeks but still active) can register 3 years of .online for a total cost of $9.99. Radix also have a current promotion whereby you can get 10 years of .tech for $54.99 total.

    Welcome to NPs, but I would humbly ask that you take a bit more care with accuracy in what you post (I see that in your few days here you have started at least two threads attacking Radix renewal rates). Since you admit above that you only ever owned one new extension domain, and it was neither .online or .tech, I wonder why in your first days of NPs you feel such an expert that you call for a boycott of all ngTLDs (700+), and spread misinformation on two different threads with respect to two extensions you have never even held a single domain in?

    I don't plan to post more on this thread, as each time someone posts gives your thread attention it does not deserve in my opinion. I would like to suggest that we all ignore this thread and any other parallel threads started by the new member with a similar theme. Of course each NP member can do as they wish, just suggesting what I am doing.
     
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  14. lock

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    No develop new gtlds I have premiums with 1,000,000 searches and quite willing to pay for it.
     
  15. Media King

    Media King Established Member

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    go to main page namecheap.com and type in search field example.online

    *special: $0.99/yr (registration)
    Retail $32.88/yr

    for .tech
    *special: $6.88/yr (registration)
    Retail $45.88/yr
     
  16. lock

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    New extensions have enough problems all on their own. Without enough renewals on each extension they will fail to turn a profit if they run at a loss to lomg and if they are not bailed out eventually collapse. Sooner or later we will see the drop off of the http:// bar and type ins will be the new rage. You can already accidently sms a type in with end of a sentence dot and fotrget the space. Eg pick up milk from.shop (now from.shop would make at $974.78 per year is a great deal if could be accidently making you money.
     
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  17. lock

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    There are plenty on domainers here buying 99c domains selling for $50 which a huge mark up. There are also domainers here buying domains for thousands to double their money. Dont be too upset when these guys sell their typeins with ease. They risk more for more. The 99c guys are the ones with actual turn over so.stick to what you know or take some risks with gtlds.
     
  18. atinc

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    Yes, please stop registering new g's!! .

    On 2018 it became almost impossible to reg. a great new gTLD cause folks out there already own them.

    :xf.wink:
     
  19. Haroon Basha

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    I never renewed a name other than .com, .net, .info, .org, .io, .co, and .biz,
     
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  20. Grego85

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    The drop is getting super competitive too! Its clear to me that the good and affordable ngtld names are slowly becoming viewed as a commodity.
     
  21. Kate

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    It is nonetheless important to note that nTLDs are not like .com, they are not regulated and the conditions could change. We have seen it already. Brutal price changes, clawbacks. A few years ago FS also said how much he disliked the premium pricing model, but desperate conditions call for desperate measures sometimes, not excluding greed.

    If you stick to mature extensions and understand the rules (ie some TLDs do not allow adult), you will be fine.
    Ntlds are risky, at varying levels. Some are run professionally and ethically, others are simply not trustworthy. Do your homework. Because Icann created that mess and you should not expect them to help you if things go wrong. What have they done so far for the people who got conned by virtue of their nTLD program ?

    You have to keep in mind that some ccTLDs have few names registered, some African countries have hundreds, thousands of names registered, so they cannot realize the economies of scale available to bigger registries.
    No matter the size of the zone (numbers of domain registered), the registry still needs to pay salaries to their staff and own infrastructure, but note that some ccTLDs are literally run by one person (.ai ?), some are even on auto-pilot it seems (some African ccTLDs)

    .com has 130M+ domains registered and is a huge cash machine, domains could be handed out for pennies and they would still be profitable. It's not surprising that small ccTLDs have to charge $50/year and above. Prices tend to decrease over time, in relation to TLD growth.
    I don't have an accurate count for .io at the moment but I would be surprised if they have more than 50K regs presently.
     
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  22. MSN-Domains

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    CoCCA has 4 locations worldwide could be more, but very generous of you Kate to offer the possibility of 1 human running the registry

    410,000 close but no cigar, only 8100% off the mark
     
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  23. Grego85

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    Why should this be an acceptable excuse for cctlds but not new gtlds?
     
  24. MSN-Domains

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    Good point, Some great ones are not purchased. Recently advised a Print on-demand business to pick up the nGTLD it cost $5750 the reason it's not with a domain holder is because of the price, The lady who runs the business recouped investment within the 2nd month.

    Some are worth their weight in gold, If the right one came along i would purchase but not overpay knowing renewals will kill the holder's cash-flow faster than mine

    nGTLD's for the most part should not be purchased unless truly access the risk of owning them
     
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  25. Kate

    Kate Domainosaurus Rex VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Many nTLDs are owned by one single owner (ie Donuts, Radix) so they already enjoy economies of scale: there is consolidation.
    The infrastructure and management is basically the same if you run one TLD or hundreds of them, what is different is the scale. However, there are still fees to be paid for each TLD (application and renewals).
    Obviously, the single-TLD registries are at a disadvantage here, but that was part of the business plan. If you charge a lot of money for unattractive strings, the outcome is easily predictable so it's a balancing act.
    But again, they can outsource registry operations to backend operators like Afilias or, Nominet. And they do.

    It is also important to point out that the dynamics are different: most ccTLDs are run by non-profit or state entities, while nTLDs are commercial operations for profit.

    Of course it makes sense for small ccTLDs to cooperate, that's why there is Cocca.
     

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