discuss Bidding Battle with 913932 aka Huge Domains

[MapleDots]

Was bidding on a domain and ended up going head to head with Bidder 913932 aka Huge Domains.

I figured if I just posted there would be skeptics who would not believe me, so here is the evidence.

Huge Domain bid $1255 USD for CanadianRed.com
I had to go to $1,280 to get the domain.

By comparisons you can see the domain one above I picked up for $12 bucks.

I posted this for all the folks that keep saying Huge Domain bots stop bidding at $150-$250

There you have the evidence.... they have definitely increased the amounts they are bidding at.

 

[branding]

Welcome back @MapleDots !

 

[Page Howe]

i dont think its bidding them up, emotion kills.

but a I posted a while back, every dollar they underspend becuase we leave, is a dollar they have to buy better names.

longer read here,

https://dn.biz/blog/2019/08/28/712/

so first off rememer, many names used to be at namejet and 69 was the minimum, so go ahead and at least get to $69, then ask yourslef would you have paid xx, xxx if you found out thats all it went for,

and do you really want to own it for the long term, if the answer are yes, then yes i think bidding up , even if you think you may ultimately lose if it goes to X,XXX is worth it, becuase its the only way to know if you can get a medium quality name for low XXX..

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[tonyk2000]

Somebody posted the following finding last year on thedomains blog. This makes me guess once again that, sometimes, HD does not want to win. They want to end up as the 2nd highest bidder instead. Lets guess why?

Source: https://www.thedomains.com/2019/10/30/godaddy-auctions/

 

[Dave]

HD are bidding low 4 figures regularly now. I had to pay nearly $1500 for one recently against them.

 

[Lord Antares]

Somebody posted the following finding last year on thedomains blog. This makes me guess once again that, sometimes, HD does not want to win. They want to end up as the 2nd highest bidder instead. Lets guess why?

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Source: https://www.thedomains.com/2019/10/30/godaddy-auctions/

While I do believe there's a good chance of foul play between HD and GD (after all, hd has made them how many dollars?), this doesn't prove it. They are bidding automatically, they have no idea what they're bidding on. To this person, you offered a random domain he doesn't care about.

I find most suspicious the fact that they bid only on godaddy expired auctions. No other sites, even though there are plenty to choose from. Not even godaddy user auctions. Only the ones where the money goes to godaddy.

 

[GreatBrand.in]

You are doing a good research. Didn't you notice that Bots (not just HD) tend to be more active in certain weeks (of each month), starting on or about 7th and somewhat decreasing (bids/prices) their activity each ~week... until the 7th-10th day of the next month? Maybe a strange question, but I have one theory why this happens (if it still happens). Asking here as I stopped wasting time at this venue for now, so no fresh data on my screen.

No our research says they target CVCV without fail and then they target active domains. So if they missed any domain and at the last moment you find two three individual bidders have participated for particular domain they will certainly come just 6-9 Mins before of closing of bid time. You can easily identify them which is Bidder (Auto) entering into bidding just before 10 mins of closing. Then their threshold limit we observed in our bidding are $180, $410 and $620 depend on the quality of domain. Here we enter and love to fight at least till first round

We are sharing these so that we all can fight at least once to increase their acquisition cost and forced them to change their monopolistic approach. We believe in fair market dynamics and against any type of unethical business practice or monopolistic approach. Be the change agent you want to in any system.

 

[Recons.Com]

Ok, thanks for the info.

To be fair, when comparing closeout catch rates, you can't tell which names HD were going to catch. With auctions, you know what they want to bid on. Any domains with bids but there is no such metric with closeouts.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that you might have a higher chance of sniping a domain you want. You might not catch a domain that both of you want, but nobody can know for sure.

You'd be surprised. Besides the usual metrics for each name they use, they also use the data on the listing viewing. And even clicking on "+" sign next to names counts as a view. The more views, the more chance that someone is considering the name, which indicates higher chance for quality.

So this is another way our brains is picked up for free by GD/HD alliance.

My advice to all, never use the view function.

 

[tonyk2000]

they have definitely increased the amounts they are bidding at

I'd rephrase it: they have definitely increased the amounts others are bidding at.

Maybe they receive a bounty for doing this. In other words, what if they receive a revshare from $1,280 you paid ? Nothing illegal here, some auctions do compensate 2nd highest bidders (ICANN when they auctioned new gtld strings, for example...) And so HD may be "celebrating" now. You too (sort of). No solid proof, just a conspiracy theory, this post is not intended to accuse anybody.

I did not check recent HD patterns, but, at some point of time, they used GD valuations and posted bids around 8%-10% of that value. GD tool gives Estimated Value: $2,587 (USD) for canadianred.com, so their $1255 max. is little too high for the above scheme imo.

 

[Mister Funsky]

I've actually had a pretty good day running up the amount my opposition had to pay to win today. A couple of true dogs got bid up to 300. It is just something I do for fun...I love it when the bots go crazy bidding against me for a name that will never sell!

BTW, although I have no evidence, it seems that if a bid gets to the 250-300 level a human might get tagged in to oversee. As with your name above, it has good value...well above 300. For some reason I imagine someone with a stack of empty red bully cans on the floor at their feet are actively bidding/evaluating. Maybe one day a whistle blower will come here to confirm or deny...

 

[Rich]

Welcome back, Canadian red sounds like a great beer name.

 

[uzver]

We are sharing these so that we all can fight at least once to increase their acquisition cost and forced them to change their monopolistic approach.

Yeah. I did that too. It was fun watching them overpay for crappy names until I eventually bought some shit myself when they (unexpectedly for me) stopped bidding.

 

[xeroox]

Hugedomains is literally shotting every domain that im bidding to a few hundred, how did you manage to win for $12?

 

[Samer]

i dont mean to derail thread @MapleDots;

HD is also; 913933

 

[pb]

It is well known that the HD bot snipes all of the closeout names. It's been known since before their auction shenanigans. You have a better fighting chance in auctions them closeouts. There's a large thread about this.

I disagree. They have less chance of snapping closeout domains, in fact, if you check whois of such domains (after they're transferred), you will rarely see HD there. Closeouts are mostly snapped by other domainers with API access, but it's still possible to grab many of them by hand. IMO you have a better chance with closeouts than with auctions, and save a lot in the process.

[edit] See this post by a guy who previously believed bidding is his only chance of getting a domain (vide his previous posts for comparison).

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I mainly wanted to say welcome back @MapleDots - was so happy when noticed you had posted.

Do the other big operations have recognized bots, or just HD?

Bob

 

[NickB]

That is 50% of GD valuation EXACTLY ($2587 as of now)... Still looks robotic, but apparently needs a manual override for an "exceptional". Not sure what is special with this. As google seems to primarily associate with red cross and that will be hard to overcome in branding. Plus, maybe, canadian red book is there as a potential suitor, although I doubt it.

There is a website using the hyphenated version......to promote their brand of cranberry juice

 

[Domains Ted]

We were missing you..
Welcome back..

 

[blogspotter]

While I do believe there's a good chance of foul play between HD and GD (after all, hd has made them how many dollars?), this doesn't prove it. They are bidding automatically, they have no idea what they're bidding on. To this person, you offered a random domain he doesn't care about.

I find most suspicious the fact that they bid only on godaddy expired auctions. No other sites, even though there are plenty to choose from. Not even godaddy user auctions. Only the ones where the money goes to godaddy.

Agree with both point. One anecdote doesn't prove anything

And yes to the second point.
If this was any other industry, the some fed agency would have been up their ass. Not sure what the EU is doing. They are also pretty strict about this things.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

You would think, with all the domains they have, HD would at least register 913932.com as a vanity name. It is available to hand register as of now.

 

[MapleDots]

Welcome back @MapleDots !

Thank you,

Home schooling two kids, running multiple online stores, domaining, clinic manager, keeps me a bit busy.

Spent the past few months installing software and automating a lot of the processes.
Starting to see the benefit now as I actually get to enjoy down time.

 

[blogspotter]

Why not play the HD game against HD. Any domain HD is likely to bid, let us Bid up and let them run out if their budget. They are a Huge Company, surely they work on predefined budgets every qtr

 

[tonyk2000]

Yeah. I did that too. It was fun watching them overpay for crappy names until I eventually bought some shit myself when they (unexpectedly for me) stopped bidding.

Really fun indeed And, on many occasions (domain type + bidding style of another party) it is possible to predict what bot is on another end. I especially enjoyed bidding up HD and 1 another bot, which id I would not mention as it is owned by NP member. Some NP members are allowed to use bots @ gd and they may not like this and other related discussions, but it is life, sorry.

Actually, before playing this game "in production mode", it is better to start with bidding on allegedly expired domains which were renewed just recently... to test waters without any risk to pay (as the purchase would be refunded anyway)... bots do not care if it was just renewed, nor does gd (as they do not delete them from auctions).

 

[Lord Antares]

Agree with both point. One anecdote doesn't prove anything

And yes to the second point.
If this was any other industry, the some fed agency would have been up their ass. Not sure what the EU is doing. They are also pretty strict about this things.

Look at their website. It says in their ''about us'' page that they own 350,000 domains. That's ooold news, they own millions by now. How are they that lazy that they don't update info that's like 10 years old, especially when it helps improve their bragging rights. What about the fact that none of the pictures on their website are loading on chrome?

Is HugeDomains a money laundering website?

 

[tonyk2000]

I find most suspicious the fact that they bid only on godaddy expired auctions.

I've seen one of Reberries bidding on snapnames pre-release auctions...

If this was any other industry, the some fed agency would have been up their ass. Not sure what the EU is doing. They are also pretty strict about this things.

So is U.S., sometimes. In another thread, 1.5 years old but just reactivated again -
https://www.namepros.com/threads/godaddy-scammed-me-heres-proof.1133996/
somebody is writing about a real existing lawsuit against GD, which involves auctions. Even though the case has nothing to do with expiry stream in general or HD in particular, some new info may become public...

And, in any case - For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light. Snapnames Halvarez sage is a good example.