alert Beware of greedy member

[AbdulBasit.com]

Hi everyone,

Beware of this new member https://www.namepros.com/members/matthewpataki.1069608 who created this thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/inherited-a-lot-of-domains-2500-looking-for-guidance.1325155

I discussed with him about some of his domains and he agreed to sell some of his domains and kept changing his stance multiple times on selling those domains, availability and prices as well. I've blocked this guy at WhatsApp and wanted to inform you guys to avoid dealing with this cheap and greedy person.

It's a risk to do business with him. You never know that you'll pay the agreed amount + escrow fees and later he backs out, you'll end up losing at least the escrow fees and your valuable time.

Thanks for reading and be careful whom to deal with around.

 

[Grilled]

@jberryhill Does this qualify under legal definition as slander?

Where is the goFundJohn that one can donate to everytime @jberryhill is tagged on namePros?

It'd probably be a drop in the bucket of his true worth, but I'd donate!

Gemini Prompt: Is a beware of thread on the public internet considered slanderous?

Spoiler: Answer

Answer: A "beware of" thread on the public internet could be considered slanderous or defamatory if it meets certain criteria:

1. False Statement: The statements made in the thread must be false. Truth is a defense against defamation claims.
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3. Injury: The statements must cause harm to the reputation of the person or entity they are about. This could include damage to their personal or professional life.
4. Identification: The statements must identify the person or entity they are about, either directly or indirectly.
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If a "beware of" thread meets all of these criteria, it could be considered defamatory. However, there are also some defenses that could be raised, such as:

• Opinion: Statements of opinion are generally protected speech, as long as they are not based on false facts.
• Hyperbole: Exaggerated or figurative language that no reasonable person would believe to be true is generally not considered defamatory.
• Truth: As mentioned above, truth is an absolute defense against defamation claims.

Whether a particular "beware of" thread is considered defamatory will depend on the specific facts and circumstances of the case. If you are concerned that a thread may be defamatory, you should consult with an attorney.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

None of this provides both sides of the conversation. The only thing in question is what was said to make Abdul believe an offer had been agreed to in writing. I for one would like to see the conversation in its entirety although I understand if its not available because of Whats App.

Most of the conversation has happened via WhatsApp and I wish I knew in advance that if I'll block him, the communication would be gone entirely at my end. Otherwise he would not have any grounds to talk all these lies.

Also he is lying that he has no chat logs of WhatsApp because as far I'm aware, WhatsApp chat logs remains available for the person who is blocked by someone so he must have it. If he has the courage, then he should share all the chat logs.

 

[pugdogdomains]

None of this provides both sides of the conversation. The only thing in question is what was said to make Abdul believe an offer had been agreed to in writing. I for one would like to see the conversation in its entirety although I understand if its not available because of Whats App.

It doesn't matter if he believed that he had an agreement in writing if I didnt even own all of the domains in the agreement -- so of course we had to revisit the agreement and negotiate again!?

I will admit, that it was my mistake, providing a list that had some lost domains, but this is where I WILL use my inexperience as an excuse. Imagine immediately taking upon a 60k/yr expense business portfolio while doing a PhD and working for multiple startups. The spreadsheets are a disaster. Have some compassion.

 

[pugdogdomains]

Most of the conversation has happened via WhatsApp and I wish I knew in advance that if I'll block him, the communication would be gone entirely at my end. Otherwise he would not have any grounds to talk all these lies.

Also he is lying that he has no chat logs of WhatsApp because as far I'm aware, WhatsApp chat logs remains available for the person who is blocked by someone so he must have it. If he has the courage, then he should share all the chat logs.

Abdul. How are you this dense and petty? I had the same option to block you too, which I did.

 

[Daniel Owens]

@AbdulBasit.com What outcome do you expect out of this thread? Is it just to open a can of worms that hurts someone reputation or do you expect him to sell any domain you want at the pricing you want after opening this thread?

 

[pugdogdomains]

Abdul.

I agreed to a deal that I couldn't make, because I didnt own the domain "greenerdays". That was my mistake. I owned up to it, and you became frustrated.

This is entirely uncalled for.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

I'm unfamilar with WhatsApp, but google gemini seems to agree that the chat logs would still be available:

Prompt: What happens to chatlogs in whatsapp when somebody blocks you?

When someone blocks you on WhatsApp, the chat log itself remains on your phone. However:

• You can't send new messages to them. Any messages you try to send will show only one checkmark (sent) and never a second (delivered).
• You can't see their profile picture updates. Their profile picture will remain the same as it was when they blocked you.
• You can't see their online status or last seen. Their online status and last seen information will be hidden from you.
• You can't see any changes they make to their profile. This includes changes to their name, status, or about information.
• If you were part of a group with them, you will still see their messages in the group chat.

Essentially, blocking on WhatsApp is a one-sided action that prevents you from interacting with the person who blocked you, but it doesn't delete the chat history on either side.

You can find more information here:

• How to Retrieve Blocked Messages on WhatsApp [2024]: https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp-restore/retrieve-blocked-messages-on-whatsapp.html

Absolutely!

Now this liar is caught red-handed. Read his previous statement where he said "There are no chat logs after he blocked me".

Now he is saying "I deleted it the second you blocked me".

See the contradiction is his statements.

The first one means that the chat logs were deleted automatically as soon as I blocked him. In his second statement, he is agreeing that he deleted chat logs.

 

[equity78]

Opinion: Statements of opinion are generally protected speech

Exactly and someone is entitled to the opinion someone is greedy. Doesn't mean they are right but entitled to the opinion.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

Abdul.

I agreed to a deal that I couldn't make, because I didnt own the domain "greenerdays". That was my mistake. I owned up to it, and you became frustrated.

This is entirely uncalled for.

This is nothing connected with greenerdays so don't act innocent here. You agreed to sell demonsoft .com for $165 and later you backtracked.

 

[Grilled]

Absolutely!

Now this liar is caught red-handed. Read his previous statement where he said "There are no chat logs after he blocked me".

Now he is saying "I deleted it the second you blocked me".

See the contradiction is his statements.

The first one means that the chat logs were deleted automatically as soon as I blocked him. In his second statement, he is agreeing that he deleted chat logs.

Except if he also blocked you, that might very well explain why he is also missing the chat logs...

Again I ask, what's it going to take to bring this to an amicable resolution?

 

[equity78]

Absolutely!

Now this liar is caught red-handed. Read his previous statement where he said "There are no chat logs after he blocked me".

Now he is saying "I deleted it the second you blocked me".

See the contradiction is his statements.

The first one means that the chat logs were deleted automatically as soon as I blocked him. In his second statement, he is agreeing that he deleted chat logs.

Abdul what did happen in the conversation when he told you he no longer owned the name greenerdays.com? Thank you

 

[Daniel Owens]

@matthewpataki This could hurt your chance of selling on here, I hope the right thing is done. Sounds like nothing was in escrow. And he's entitled to opinion but didn't need to share it with 1+ million people.

 

[DNAAS]

Well I thought I saw the most bizarre response to a fallen sale with the Sedo debacle and now Abdul comes in guns blazing and this is now looking very playschool yard.

Do people need to go into detention?

Firstly the thread title and the claims made are libellous and I would recommend Matthew get a lawyer and start legal proceedings against Abdul if he doesn't remove the title.

Abdul you are honestly taking the absolute .... - first you tried it on then got angry because he sold it to someone else for a fair price. Stop being so pathetic and before you say it I really am not jealous of you. Trust me far from the truth.

Further, if Matthew takes you to court this message can be used in a court of law with my permission that Abdul was warned and told to remove this thread.

 

[pugdogdomains]

@matthewpataki This could hurt your chance of selling on here, I hope the right thing is done. Sounds like nothing was in escrow. And he's entitled to opinion but didn't need to share it with 1+ million people.

I can assure you that I am no longer going to be posting on domainer forums. Im grateful for the connections I made

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

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@AbdulBasit.com What outcome do you expect out of this thread? Is it just to open a can of worms that hurts someone reputation or do you expect him to sell any domain you want at the pricing you want after opening this thread?

The purpose of sharing is my experience with this person and other fellow members to deal with him accordingly if they still want to deal with him. That's it.

 

[DNAAS]

I can assure you that I am no longer going to be posting on domainer forums. Im grateful for the connections I made

Good luck. Lots of lessons learned. Contact the mods and get this thread removed and I would lawyer up

 

[pugdogdomains]

Abdul what did happen in the conversation when he told you he no longer owned the name greenerdays.com? Thank you

He got mad at me and said "we will move forward with the deal once you have all the names"

to which I said something like: "abdul, either you are 1. no longer interested in making a deal, or 2. being rude -- because you fully know that once a domain is lost, it can not be repurchased"

To which he did politely respond, and explained his frustration -- but then when we continued further discussion and he shared that he was interested in 3 more names -- at this time, I told him that I was no longer interested in selling him demonsoft because it received an 800$ offer

It was never like I had agreed to sell him demonsoft for 165 -- that just what the "per piece" price of his "bulk request" was, and when we had to revisit his request, he felt entitled to this rate.

Abdul, would you like to add anything to this, or am I missing anything?

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

Abdul what did happen in the conversation when he told you he no longer owned the name greenerdays.com? Thank you

I asked him to remove this particular domain from the bulk list of domains we agreed upon with and let's proceed. Then he came back and said I cannot sell you demonsoft because now I've 800 dollars offer on it. I said you already agreed to sell it for 165 dollars along with several other domains in the bulk deal but he didn't want to sell it.

He actually did with some other domain as well but I ignored it thinking of his inexperience in this business but later I realized that he is a greedy guy and just won't stick to his words if I started escrow.

 

[DNAAS]

I asked him to remove this particular domain from the bulk list of domains we agreed upon with and let's proceed. Then he came back and said I cannot sell you demonsoft because now I've 800 dollars offer on it. I said you already agreed to sell it for 165 dollars along with several other domains in the bulk deal but he didn't want to sell it.

He actually did with some other domain as well but I ignored it thinking of his inexperience in this business but later I realized that he is a greedy guy and just won't stick to his words if I started escrow.

Abdul you need to stop and delete this thread.

 

[Daniel Owens]

@AbdulBasit.com If you didn't start and escrow their is no recourse or binding deal.