discuss Are gTLDs affecting .Com price and growth

[Isac]

I think there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains because of new gTLDs. What's your opinion ?

 

[dordomai]

Nobody in the U.S. buys another domain before considering a dot com first.

Nobody in Asia or Europe buys a domain before considering .com or ccTLD first.

It's a fact that it was 90% a few years ago and now the average is 65%. Also, I would like you to show me how many startups from the last few years have used 3L co or io or shorter.

You can read my previous post. The answer is already there.

 

[boker]

Nobody in Asia or Europe buys a domain before considering .com or ccTLD first.



You can read my previous post. The answer is already there.

Nobody in Europe buys before considering a cctld, 90% of them they don't care about .com, I own .com where the cctls is used by companies from Rusia, from Germany and other EU countries and they don't care about com, in one case I offered them for free and didn't wanted it.

 

[xynames]

In July 2017, just for example: I had an inquirer who contacted me about a dot com of mine and made a lowball offer of $500. for it, and had already registered the .us , .tax and .io exact equivalents of the domain name, and was trying to argue that these were just as good, he could just go with one of them and that he didn't even need my domain name, but I held firm, and eventually he came up to close to my price and he bought the dot com from me.

This is fact. Not theory like boker is theorizing about.

 

[boker]

In July 2017, just for example: I had an inquirer who contacted me about a dot com of mine and made a lowball offer of $500. for it, and had already registered the .us , .tax and .io exact equivalents of the domain name, and was trying to argue that these were just as good, he could just go with one of them and that he didn't even need my domain name, but I held firm, and eventually he came up to close to my price and he bought the dot com from me.

This is fact. Not theory like boker is theorizing about.

Yes, theory...when you sell a cctld to a EU company and you ask them if they don't want the .com as well and they say no, than you offer them to give them for free and they still say they that don't need it and you call this theory.

 

[GoKaizen]

There is, I admit, at this stage much greater mindshare for legacy tld's like .org and .net.

Colin Campbell,
CEO .CLUB Domains

Premium sales seem fine for registries. If you believe the reported sales.

These extensions are out for almost 4 years and they are dead in the sales charts, completely dead. We have less sales compared to 2-3 years ago not more.

 

[dordomai]

Yes, theory...when you sell a cctld to a EU company and you ask them if they don't want the .com as well and they say no, than you offer them to give them for free and they still say they that don't need it and you call this theory.

you think that .com doing poorly means your nGTLDs sell. Not the case really. You could outlaw .coms and most business would shift to .net and ccTLDs and your .longwords would still not have value.

 

[boker]

you think that .com doing poorly means your nGTLDs sell. Not the case really. You could outlaw .coms and most business would shift to .net and ccTLDs and your .longwords would still not have value.

That way they have paid xxxx for a ngtld or are paying premium renewal when .com .net and the others are available.

 

[Kate]

I can't see how this doxing is relevant to the discussion.
I may have sold a few names over here for $50 ea in the past. Some liquidation sale that was not even representative back then, and even less today.
So what ?

 

[boker]

I can't see how this doxing is relevant to the discussion.
I may have sold a few names over here for $50 ea in the past. Some liquidation sale that was not even representative back then, and even less today.
So what ?

It's not relevant, he said that because I've sold some expiring domains cheap here, than my opinion about domains it's not relevant, so I wanted to prove that everybody is doing it. Also, saying that he has a master in business he's right and the rest of us we don't know anything about business, so our opinion is not valid, so I had to to prove that he's business degree is not more valuable than the business experience of others.

 

[LovingLife]

why spend millions on branding when you can get your company brand IMega-Zone.biz for regfee?

Way to put up a straw man there. I'm not defending the new names, but surely some potential buyers would think twice about paying the premium for a .com.

In the past I have purchased .com names for development. Not anymore, my business model relies on search engine traffic. I don't see the point to pay for the .com when I can outrank it with one of the new extensions. Maybe I'm the only person on the planet not paying a premium to get the .com, but I kinda doubt that.

Of course the big brands and major companies should have the .com. That switch lifetimefitness.com made to lifetime.life makes no sense to me.

 

[JB Lions]

Way to put up a straw man there. I'm not defending the new names, but surely some potential buyers would think twice about paying the premium for a .com.

In the past I have purchased .com names for development. Not anymore, my business model relies on search engine traffic. I don't see the point to pay for the .com when I can outrank it with one of the new extensions. Maybe I'm the only person on the planet not paying a premium to get the .com, but I kinda doubt that.

You're completely different from a lot businesses tho. Real businesses aren't reliant and only think of search engine traffic, they think bigger picture. If you just want some little, reliant on search engine traffic site, it doesn't matter what extension you use.

 

[LovingLife]

You're completely different from a lot businesses tho. Real businesses aren't reliant and only think of search engine traffic, they think bigger picture. If you just want some little, reliant on search engine traffic site, it doesn't matter what extension you use.

If I had a "real" business I would purchase the .com. My little sites do just fine without it. All I can say as an individual, I'm not buying .coms anymore for development. So that money is off the table, I'm probably not the only one.

 

[JB Lions]

If I had a "real" business I would purchase the .com. My little sites do just fine without it. All I can say as an individual, I'm not buying .coms anymore for development. So that money is off the table, I'm probably not the only one.

No, people from the start have used different extensions, this isn't new. But bigger companies understand why you get the .com.

 

[LovingLife]

No, people from the start have used different extensions, this isn't new. But bigger companies understand why you get the .com.

The .com is not going anywhere, the best .com names are going to sell for a premium and the new gtlds probably have little effect on that.

At the same time, lesser quality .com names may be taking a hit.

 

[dordomai]

If I had a "real" business I would purchase the .com. My little sites do just fine without it. All I can say as an individual, I'm not buying .coms anymore for development. So that money is off the table, I'm probably not the only one.

yes but the thing is that this type of exact match alternative domains make only sense for small sites.

If you are going to build for the long-term and invest some money I would not build on a subpar URL.

If you have only 20% of people not remembering your URL or being confused by it you could fail in a highly competitive field.

You need something that people know and trust and recognize which is .com

The alt registries want to tell us that their domains are as good as .com or even better but this is not true. .com has a far higher brand value because of the billions that have been spent on promoting it. Everytime you see a website URL you promote .com, every time you see an ad with an URL you promote it. .com is one of the most if not the most visible brands in the world. It is virtually everywhere. These days people spend a lot of time online almost every day and .com follows them everywhere they go.

There is no way that word.word or word.ws is a valuable and recgnized as .com and that is why prices and sales for alt extensions will never be close to .com

 

[LovingLife]

yes but the thing is that this type of exact match alternative domains make only sense for small sites.

If you are going to build for the long-term and invest some money I would not build on a subpar URL.

If you have only 20% of people not remembering your URL or being confused by it you could fail in a highly competitive field.

You need something that people know and trust and recognize which is .com

The alt registries want to tell us that their domains are as good as .com or even better but this is not true. .com has a far higher brand value because of the billions that have been spent on promoting it. Everytime you see a website URL you promote .com, every time you see an ad with an URL you promote it. .com is one of the most if not the most visible brands in the world. It is virtually everywhere. These days people spend a lot of time online almost every day and .com follows them everywhere they go.

There is no way that word.word or word.ws is a valuable and recgnized as .com and that is why prices and sales for alt extensions will never be close to .com

Just about everything you are saying I agree with. The question the OP has is are the new gTLDs affecting the price of a .com and its growth.

Just a few days ago I had a 3k offer for one of the new names. If the new extensions didn't exist I would not have had that offer. It would have probably gone towards a .com.

 

[mad409]

I don't think new G's are affecting the value of .com but I know for a fact there are times when a new gTLD is purchased and the .com still sits for-sale.

Just a quick example would be shop .link and shoplink .com is still available. So it's documented that some .com sales are being lost because of the newer extensions and that fact isn't debatable.

 

[dordomai]

I think they have an effect. Since being released .com registry stock went up a lot and is trading close to all-time high. Just kidding.

I think they must have a small effect because at least some people will choose a new extension over a .com. I do not think that so far it is having a massive effect though and I don't think this will change anytime soon.

 

[DNdot]

I don't know much domaining.. But because of gTLDs, the value of .COM is gone up.

 

[garptrader]

I have some aged .Net domains up for renewal soon. Before Google changed its search algorithm, EMD .Net domains would occasionally sell for low $XXX. Not so much in recent years. I was checking the Godaddy auctions listings for the keyword of one of my .Nets. My list price is well under 1% of the equivalent .COM price and I have been renewing that domain for years. Yet noone has yet bought it - despite its low $XXX price. .Net has been around for ~30 years and many small businesses use .Net. There are approximately some 15 million .Net registrations so it is widely recognized. However, .Net just does not sell well in the aftermarket. So again I just do not see the risk / reward of the new extensions. Yes, there will be sales, but like my .TV holdings where I have some awesome keywords, renewal costs bury the random sale.