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Just wondering if there are any Geo.TV owners who would be interested in developing there .TV domain names?

It would probably be a lot easier and cheaper for some people to do a co-development than trying to develop on there own. Also probably better off having a developed Geo.TV than just a parking page.

People might have different skill sets that they could bring to the table. I have some website development and video knowledge whereas others might have some programming, SEO, marketing etc experience.

It would be important to try and keep things as simple as possible. Everybody would still own there names 100% and all revenue generated from them but development costs could be shared and done very cheaply plus other benefits like linking together, shared hosting, travel videos etc etc.

There are probably 4 catergories of Geo.TV domains. Major/Capital City, Country, States, Smaller Cities. They need to be pure Geo.TV names. No City/State, Channel, Guide, Travel etc names.

I have 6 Geo.TV names

Dublin.TV
BuenosAires.TV
Cairo.TV
Oslo.TV
Helsinki.TV
Auckland.TV

If you have any interest could you PM me with names and we can see if it might be worth looking into further.

Thanks
 
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I certainly can help in hosting your geo websites under a reseller account where you split costs.
 
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I'd love to see a model that could work but a lot of .tv domainers have attempted co-development. The only thing I've ever seen come from it is a bunch of hard feelings.
 
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to share experiences, challenges, questions, concerns. None of these are massive PR sites, but I now have the following South Florida sites:

FortLauderdaleBeach.tv
Brickell.tv (financial center downtown Miami)
Doral.tv (middle class city west of Miami airport)
PembrokePines.tv (home with 150K population)
Islamorada.tv (Florida Keys)
HollywoodBeach.info (gorgeous beach between Fort Lauderdale & Miami)

under development...
Weston.tv (well-to-do city in NW Broward county)
MiamiLakesFlorida.net (town in NW Miami-Dade county)

A challenge I face is getting sites to a content level where I believe I can approach local businesses with the idea of paying for ad space and have a decent chance of conversion.
 
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p.s. I'd bet I've walked over fifty miles around different parts of South Florida taking pictures of neighborhoods, parks, shopping centers, etc...
Getting quality original photos would not be as easy with a geo more than a short drive from home.
 
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p.s. I'd bet I've walked over fifty miles around different parts of South Florida taking pictures of neighborhoods, parks, shopping centers, etc...
Getting quality original photos would not be as easy with a geo more than a short drive from home.

Good move Garp. Stay local and you stand a chance.
 
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Just wondering if there are any Geo.TV owners who would be interested in developing there .TV domain names?

It would probably be a lot easier and cheaper for some people to do a co-development than trying to develop on there own. Also probably better off having a developed Geo.TV than just a parking page.

People might have different skill sets that they could bring to the table. I have some website development and video knowledge whereas others might have some programming, SEO, marketing etc experience.

It would be important to try and keep things as simple as possible. Everybody would still own there names 100% and all revenue generated from them but development costs could be shared and done very cheaply plus other benefits like linking together, shared hosting, travel videos etc etc.

There are probably 4 catergories of Geo.TV domains. Major/Capital City, Country, States, Smaller Cities. They need to be pure Geo.TV names. No City/State, Channel, Guide, Travel etc names.

I have 6 Geo.TV names

Dublin.TV
BuenosAires.TV
Cairo.TV
Oslo.TV
Helsinki.TV
Auckland.TV

If you have any interest could you PM me with names and we can see if it might be worth looking into further.

Thanks

You have some great GEO's. Love to buy Dublin.tv, since I am an Irishman and it would be great to brag about that in my favorite irish pubs:)

As regard to partnership, I already have 1 (my wife) and that is 1 too many. I love the concept and I hope you guys get it together.

Thanks, Jim
 
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p.s. I'd bet I've walked over fifty miles around different parts of South Florida taking pictures of neighborhoods, parks, shopping centers, etc...
Getting quality original photos would not be as easy with a geo more than a short drive from home.

In Geo names- with designs on development- 'domaining within your sphere of influence' is probably the smartest thing you can do. I've learned this lesson the hard way with any number of dead-weight names I carry because they're too good to drop, I can't bring myself to sell them too cheaply but the cities they address are too far away for me to generate content.

A challenge I face is getting sites to a content level where I believe I can approach local businesses with the idea of paying for ad space and have a decent chance of conversion.

It takes work, then work, then more work, then money to get others to help out, then more work... I'm doing a city guide right now and yeah, unique content richness is definitely the hard part. The main problem you face with those sites, though, is quality. They're sub-par to a 1998 "Learn HTML" effort. The graphics are kind of a disgrace. If you want others to take your sites seriously, you first must take them seriously. If you want, PM me and I can put you in touch with a kid who does top graphics work reasonably priced. I can also put you in touch with a decent coder in Eastern Europe who does good assend work on the cheap, as well as a finished template I know of (complete with CMS) that's suitable for the 'idea' you're going after.

City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does.
 
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Take a look at PalmSprings.com. Very simple, makes $500,000+ a year profit.
 
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Take a look at PalmSprings.com. Very simple, makes $500,000+ a year profit.

He's light years away from PalmSprings.com.
His sites aren't "simple".
They're "crap".

Don't confuse the two.
 
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I will acknowledge I am still an amateur at development and that XSitePro, while easy to learn, doesn't produce the sort of designs one sees from sites produced by professional designers using Joomla or other advanced CMSs. At this point, City in a Box is not a practical solution. I'll try adjusting some default settings but I suppose I need to keep the time spent on development in perspective. Fortunately my photo shoots have just been on "off days" when I go for a long walk rather than hit the weights. If city geo development requires a solid five-figure investment to do it right then perhaps it is best avoided. Well, it never hurts to learn new things.
 
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In Geo names- with designs on development- 'domaining within your sphere of influence' is probably the smartest thing you can do. I've learned this lesson the hard way with any number of dead-weight names I carry because they're too good to drop, I can't bring myself to sell them too cheaply but the cities they address are too far away for me to generate content.
It takes work, then work, then more work, then money to get others to help out, then more work... I'm doing a city guide right now and yeah, unique content richness is definitely the hard part. The main problem you face with those sites, though, is quality. They're sub-par to a 1998 "Learn HTML" effort. The graphics are kind of a disgrace. If you want others to take your sites seriously, you first must take them seriously. If you want, PM me and I can put you in touch with a kid who does top graphics work reasonably priced. I can also put you in touch with a decent coder in Eastern Europe who does good assend work on the cheap, as well as a finished template I know of (complete with CMS) that's suitable for the 'idea' you're going after.

City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does.

Excellent post.
 
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In Geo names- with designs on development- 'domaining within your sphere of influence' is probably the smartest thing you can do. I've learned this lesson the hard way with any number of dead-weight names I carry because they're too good to drop, I can't bring myself to sell them too cheaply but the cities they address are too far away for me to generate content.

It takes work, then work, then more work, then money to get others to help out, then more work... I'm doing a city guide right now and yeah, unique content richness is definitely the hard part. The main problem you face with those sites, though, is quality. They're sub-par to a 1998 "Learn HTML" effort. The graphics are kind of a disgrace. If you want others to take your sites seriously, you first must take them seriously. If you want, PM me and I can put you in touch with a kid who does top graphics work reasonably priced. I can also put you in touch with a decent coder in Eastern Europe who does good assend work on the cheap, as well as a finished template I know of (complete with CMS) that's suitable for the 'idea' you're going after.

City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does.

Conventional logic, spoken as if your judgments are conclusive commandments. They simply are not.

That line of thinking reminds me of stuff like... "you need a degree to be successful in life", "your too short to play pro ball", "women don't have what it takes to be in the military", "they'll never elect a Black as President". ect. ect.

Some people are simply conditioned to believe that there is a set formula to success in any given field. Of course they mean to say... the odds are... but it comes out as dictates like:
"City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does."

So that must mean the city guide I launched on a shoestring budget, without any SERP, that snoops said "looks like a 1998 design" and millers said was "a bit amateur", won't attract advertisers. I guess someone forgot to tell my advertisers... and I should cross-out that section in the letter of recommendation from the head of the Sheraton Hotel that states the guide is "professional" and that they are "proud to be working with the production".

The key to success is resourcefulness. Work with what you got and do the very best job you can. Then take it to market and sell it with passion. Clients hire the person, more than anything else. Of course what your selling gotta get the job done.

Remember the Google story... they launched a blank white page with a query box in the middle because they did not know design or much HTML. Many 'you can't make it like that' people laughed, including Yahoo -with its tv ads and a page full of content (not "original" content, BTW). But Goog and its ("basic") text ad system just worked -and quickly cornered the market.

Bottom line, clients / advertisers want VALUE. They know when they see a fancy design, killer graphics, a CMS system and original video productions that THEY are going to pay for it.

I give clients a choice... you want pro produced vids? Great! Here's a sample and here is the cost. A few take it, but most go for the less expensive ad options.
 
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Conventional logic, spoken as if your judgments are conclusive commandments. They simply are not.

That line of thinking reminds me of stuff like... "you need a degree to be successful in life", "your too short to play pro ball", "women don't have what it takes to be in the military", "they'll never elect a Black as President". ect. ect.

Some people are simply conditioned to believe that there is a set formula to success in any given field. Of course they mean to say... the odds are... but it comes out as dictates like:
"City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does."

So that must mean the city guide I launched on a shoestring budget, without any SERP, that snoops said "looks like a 1998 design" and millers said was "a bit amateur", won't attract advertisers. I guess someone forgot to tell my advertisers... and I should cross-out that section in the letter of recommendation from the head of the Sheraton Hotel that states the guide is "professional" and that they are "proud to be working with the production".

The key to success is resourcefulness. Work with what you got and do the very best job you can. Then take it to market and sell it with passion. Clients hire the person, more than anything else. Of course what your selling gotta get the job done.

Remember the Google story... they launched a blank white page with a query box in the middle because they did not know design or much HTML. Many 'you can't make it like that' people laughed, including Yahoo -with its tv ads and a page full of content (not "original" content, BTW). But Goog and its ("basic") text ad system just worked -and quickly cornered the market.

Bottom line, clients / advertisers want VALUE. They know when they see a fancy design, killer graphics, a CMS system and original video productions that THEY are going to pay for it.

I give clients a choice... you want pro produced vids? Great! Here's a sample and here is the cost. A few take it, but most go for the less expensive ad options.

My thanks to you, eyes, for the education that I am getting from your input(and everyone's) to the question posed by Dman.

I have to also thank the Dman for bringing up the question for without his query we would not have the level of discussion that we have now. Of course, it does help the cause by having the forum free of the QRM that usually litters the threads regarding our interest in the .tv extension, but that's neither here nor there, I would assume.

I agree though, that it helps more than hinders the owner of the site to have proximity to the geo involved. I am in a similar situation where I am in the process of developing a site where I am familiar with its confines and surroundings. A sub-strata geo of sorts(popular street name)that I am confident may lead to a modest interest to visitors there. If I lived in another state I do not see how it would be feasible for me to develop it appropriately.

At any rate, thanks all for this input. It does help me understand the dynamics involved in the process of building and developing a successful(whatever one's interpretation of success is)site. It is pretty healthy and I am happy to see a growing interest in the forum take hold with serious discussion.
 
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Conventional logic, spoken as if your judgments are conclusive commandments. They simply are not.

That line of thinking reminds me of stuff like... "you need a degree to be successful in life", "your too short to play pro ball", "women don't have what it takes to be in the military", "they'll never elect a Black as President". ect. ect.

Some people are simply conditioned to believe that there is a set formula to success in any given field. Of course they mean to say... the odds are... but it comes out as dictates like:
"City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does."

So that must mean the city guide I launched on a shoestring budget, without any SERP, that snoops said "looks like a 1998 design" and millers said was "a bit amateur", won't attract advertisers. I guess someone forgot to tell my advertisers... and I should cross-out that section in the letter of recommendation from the head of the Sheraton Hotel that states the guide is "professional" and that they are "proud to be working with the production".

The key to success is resourcefulness. Work with what you got and do the very best job you can. Then take it to market and sell it with passion. Clients hire the person, more than anything else. Of course what your selling gotta get the job done.

Remember the Google story... they launched a blank white page with a query box in the middle because they did not know design or much HTML. Many 'you can't make it like that' people laughed, including Yahoo -with its tv ads and a page full of content (not "original" content, BTW). But Goog and its ("basic") text ad system just worked -and quickly cornered the market.

Bottom line, clients / advertisers want VALUE. They know when they see a fancy design, killer graphics, a CMS system and original video productions that THEY are going to pay for it.

I give clients a choice... you want pro produced vids? Great! Here's a sample and here is the cost. A few take it, but most go for the less expensive ad options.

Great post, you hit it right on. Too may people suffer from
"Paralysis Of Analysis", they are always planning, researching, always busy, but really get nothing done.

Thanks, Jim
 
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In most geo.tv or geo.com or geo.anything, the usual and most popular revenue model is adrev - either drect adrev or ad network rev and affiliate rev. You are essentially a publisher in a sea of publisher competing for ad dollars.

What makes a good site? That is a very vague question with many potential answers. There are a million and one things that make a "good site".

But what makes an income generating site?? Thta is a direct question with one answer.

Looking like a very professional and eye catching site helps, but is in no way the most important part of a sites value for an advertiser to pay ad money. Nor is unique, exciting content. Nor is it a library of 10,000 videos.

Nor is it cheap price points.

What makes a successful site for any publisher revenue model - geo or otherwise is how much of your traffic can convert to sales for an advertiser. That is THEIR bottom line. The more traffic you have, the higher quality the traffic is, the more receptive an advertiser will be to your ad pitch...

Everything else is either fluff or icing on the cake.
 
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The most approachable model if you are willing to put in the time is to work on the place where you live and can therefore build up content so you can start building return traffic.

.COMs with organic and SEO traffic are not a good example for .TVs that typically have neither so you need to build an audience the hard way by providing value to them.

We have been working on a project for a cyprus based site for nearly a year now that we have been running against our platform. it has been very enlightening. the #1 underestimated task in advance is how much time/energy goes into the content side.

I will do a more detailed write up on our experiences to-date later when I have time to do it justice.

thx
 
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Conventional logic, spoken as if your judgments are conclusive commandments. They simply are not.

That line of thinking reminds me of stuff like... "you need a degree to be successful in life", "your too short to play pro ball", "women don't have what it takes to be in the military", "they'll never elect a Black as President". ect. ect.

Some people are simply conditioned to believe that there is a set formula to success in any given field. Of course they mean to say... the odds are... but it comes out as dictates like:
"City-guides on Shoestring budgets don't attract advertisers. SERP ranking and site quality does."

So that must mean the city guide I launched on a shoestring budget, without any SERP, that snoops said "looks like a 1998 design" and millers said was "a bit amateur", won't attract advertisers. I guess someone forgot to tell my advertisers... and I should cross-out that section in the letter of recommendation from the head of the Sheraton Hotel that states the guide is "professional" and that they are "proud to be working with the production".

The key to success is resourcefulness. Work with what you got and do the very best job you can. Then take it to market and sell it with passion. Clients hire the person, more than anything else. Of course what your selling gotta get the job done.

Remember the Google story... they launched a blank white page with a query box in the middle because they did not know design or much HTML. Many 'you can't make it like that' people laughed, including Yahoo -with its tv ads and a page full of content (not "original" content, BTW). But Goog and its ("basic") text ad system just worked -and quickly cornered the market.

Bottom line, clients / advertisers want VALUE. They know when they see a fancy design, killer graphics, a CMS system and original video productions that THEY are going to pay for it.

I give clients a choice... you want pro produced vids? Great! Here's a sample and here is the cost. A few take it, but most go for the less expensive ad options.

Awwwww, look. It's eHoratioAlger.

You're tilting against windmills here that just don't exist.

There is a world of difference between 'simplicity' and 'crap'. People who furnish 'crap' are usually quick to confuse the two.

You essentially gut any credibility you might have when you argue against ranking as being a critical factor. Unless you're dealing with a domain name that has a ton of direct navigation (geo.com) or you have a very mature social networking web that generates shitloads of traffic, the ONLY thing that translates into value for your advertisers is eyeballs.
Period.
Period, period, period.
In the year 2010, the engines are what bring those to the gate.
Now, I don't know where your city-guide is located and perhaps you're in some backwater region where "Bobs Feed and Grain Store" pays you for ads, simply because he 'feels' internet advertising is the right thing to do, without any real concern for eyeballs or conversion, but for everyone else, action and conversion is what advertisers want. The thing is, while there may be some new, innovative way to make a city guide that has yet to be discovered, the most effective way has been established for quite some time- and 'that way' isn't by letting your 13 year old kid use Frontpage to make the site.

Oddly enough, you and I seem to be an a general'ish sort of philosophical agreement about simplicity- and I *totally* agree that a motivated person with less resources can overcome a lazy person with more resources, so yeah, resourcefulness is very important- however, the reason Google attained it's relevance wasn't *just* because it was "simple". It was because it delivered a massively, massively superior product to anything else out there and search is one of those things where results matter more than the upsell. People cite "simple Google" and think that their mediocre efforts are in league with them, because both are "simple". Not true.

Anyway, no real point in arguing or railing. The only thing that matters is outcome and if you're having a positive outcome with a crap site, congrats. Just know that the 'moat' that protects your competitive advantage is very narrow and anyone, at any time, could come along and kick your butt.

Discovernow seems to have some Tourettes tic where he's crowing about 'paralysis of analysis' - even though he's the one who's openly admitted he doesn't develop domain names and just 'buys them' - pretty sure there's no more paralytic state than that. For everyone else who is building, I think it's important that they definitely be resourceful, be ingenious, but not try to reinvent the wheel when on some things, there is definitely a 'right' and 'wrong' way to do things, in some regards.
 
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Awwwww, look. It's eHoratioAlger.

You're tilting against windmills here that just don't exist.

There is a world of difference between 'simplicity' and 'crap'. People who furnish 'crap' are usually quick to confuse the two.

You essentially gut any credibility you might have when you argue against ranking as being a critical factor. Unless you're dealing with a domain name that has a ton of direct navigation (geo.com) or you have a very mature social networking web that generates shitloads of traffic, the ONLY thing that translates into value for your advertisers is eyeballs.
Period.
Period, period, period.
In the year 2010, the engines are what bring those to the gate.
Now, I don't know where your city-guide is located and perhaps you're in some backwater region where "Bobs Feed and Grain Store" pays you for ads, simply because he 'feels' internet advertising is the right thing to do, without any real concern for eyeballs or conversion, but for everyone else, action and conversion is what advertisers want. The thing is, while there may be some new, innovative way to make a city guide that has yet to be discovered, the most effective way has been established for quite some time- and 'that way' isn't by letting your 13 year old kid use Frontpage to make the site.

Oddly enough, you and I seem to be an a general'ish sort of philosophical agreement about simplicity- and I *totally* agree that a motivated person with less resources can overcome a lazy person with more resources, so yeah, resourcefulness is very important- however, the reason Google attained it's relevance wasn't *just* because it was "simple". It was because it delivered a massively, massively superior product to anything else out there and search is one of those things where results matter more than the upsell. People cite "simple Google" and think that their mediocre efforts are in league with them, because both are "simple". Not true.

Anyway, no real point in arguing or railing. The only thing that matters is outcome and if you're having a positive outcome with a crap site, congrats. Just know that the 'moat' that protects your competitive advantage is very narrow and anyone, at any time, could come along and kick your butt.

Discovernow seems to have some Tourettes tic where he's crowing about 'paralysis of analysis' - even though he's the one who's openly admitted he doesn't develop domain names and just 'buys them' - pretty sure there's no more paralytic state than that. For everyone else who is building, I think it's important that they definitely be resourceful, be ingenious, but not try to reinvent the wheel when on some things, there is definitely a 'right' and 'wrong' way to do things, in some regards.



Damn Dong,

Here you go again (only NOW you choose The New Aged Hot, and Topical .TV Forum) with the insults and condescending, prima-donna-ish Posts. Does the ego and bitchiness ever end with you?

I know throughout the rest of the NP forum you have labelled yourself as a developer but, why then would YOU of all people have to hire someone to create a crappy 3-page site for you?

Then, with all of your Superior talk of exactly "Dongs How to Guide on Geo Developing",
that leads me to 2 questions for you.

1) What Geo have you ever developed?
An existing url, and financial statement would help your arguement, and make you look like the real Hero, you portray yourself as.

2) Do you even own any .TV's?


You cant even create your own sales thread without being completely childish, and pissing a bunch of good NamePros members off!

I believe that sales thread of yours had a huge list of domains that you were "just collecting" without any plans for...and I'm positive you called people who 'collected" domains the "Greatest Losers", so you might just want to check yourself and Stop being a hyporite.

Your self-righteousness means nothing in here. You are just adding yourself to the top of the list of trolls who have no direction here and just want to see their Post count go up.

Thx.:)
 
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