$3000 A Day Domainer ~ OFFICIAL THREAD

[RJ]

This is the official discussion thread for the $3000 a Day Domainer.

Questions, comments, and feedback on their methods and how they worked or didn't work for you are welcome here in this thread.

This is not for discussion of the NamePros skin. If you have feedback on the skin or ad campaign, please use this other thread.

 

[samuelhr]

I've been looking into the proxy registrar services discussed in the 3000/day videos - i.e. ways to register domains in countries where a local presence is required. I'm particularly interested in .FR, since I know the language. However, I seem to hit two problems:

• There are stories about the French registry (and other countries too, e.g. Canada) confiscating domains from people who have dodged the rules. The proxy concept doesn't seem entirely legal, unless the registrar retains ownership of the domain.
• The 3000/day video talks about registering domains in countries with a "$6" reg fee rather than a $20 fee... but I can't find anyone offering a proxy service at those prices. OVH is giving away .FR domains at 0.90 EUR/year to those who satisfy the rules, while AllDomainRegistrar is charging 15 EUR registration plus 20 EUR per domain for the proxy address. Foreign domainers cannot compete if we have to pay 39 times the local price.

I assume the 'proper' domainers who do this and earn a lot have contacts in these countries and split the money, or they use registrars that offer the proxy service free, there's a couple I saw mentioned months back here, they'd count as your contact in the region.

 

[mtford]

...or they use registrars that offer the proxy service free, there's a couple I saw mentioned months back here, they'd count as your contact in the region.

Any details? They are obviously well hidden from google.

Netim claims to offer a free trustee service, but if you read the fine print, they say:

In any case, NETIM may not replace the holder or act as a proxy if the applicant does not fall within the rules of attribution of the extension. We can only provide the local presence needed for the registration.

If you try to proceed with the registration, Netim says you need to either be resident in France, or have a business registered with the French tax authorities, or hold a French/EU trademark for the domain you are registering. Presumably Netim will only provide a local contact address in the latter cases.

 

[samuelhr]

Any details? They are obviously well hidden from google.

I'd give a link if I had one I can't remember when or who posted it, but I distinctly remember someone asking a similar question and someone gave information on a registrar that would act as your contact/resident in the region. I keep thinking it might be ESTDomains, but I doubt it. I'll take a look and see if I can find any information, but I'm sure it's possible. If not and I've imagined everything, it could be a good service to work on providing. Find a person in a region, then pay them commission per domain they act as the contact/registrant for, and change the end user for it.

 

[3000aday]

I've been looking into the proxy registrar services discussed in the 3000/day videos - i.e. ways to register domains in countries where a local presence is required. I'm particularly interested in .FR, since I know the language. However, I seem to hit two problems:

• There are stories about the French registry (and other countries too, e.g. Canada) confiscating domains from people who have dodged the rules. The proxy concept doesn't seem entirely legal, unless the registrar retains ownership of the domain.
• The 3000/day video talks about registering domains in countries with a "$6" reg fee rather than a $20 fee... but I can't find anyone offering a proxy service at those prices. OVH is giving away .FR domains at 0.90 EUR/year to those who satisfy the rules, while AllDomainRegistrar is charging 15 EUR registration plus 20 EUR per domain for the proxy address. Foreign domainers cannot compete if we have to pay 39 times the local price.

Thanks for your post. In our situation we use a personal friend who lives in France as our proxy to register .fr domains. We do own some but, this market, due to its limitations, is not one of the main markets we invest in.

To answer your 2 points:

- Yes we have heard those stories as well about the French registry confiscating domains but not for using a proxy service, but rather for typo squatting. We have not had any problems losing any domains.

- With $6 reg fee, we were referring more to .ES and a few others that have lower registration fees. We know of a registrar offering 6.95 EURO .ES registrations for the entry customer and then with the more .ES domains you maintain with that registrar, the registration fee decreases. We currently pay less than five euro for our .ES registrations with our bulk provider.

 

[ZOX]

I agree with Sam, btw.

Samuel agrees with Sam?! :hehe:
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J/K, I'm also getting a lot of lowball offers for Single Letter/Number and WWW.Ext domains lately!

 

[3000aday]

Traffic = Money
No Traffic = Loss

even the best keywords in cctlds were NOT making me enough money. Hell I had PORN in one language in the local cctld, didnt even make back reg fee.

No point to reg any keywords that make no money or help you break even.

I smell fishy stuff. I challenge 3000 a day to buy one of my one letter names. Ill sell my whole package for only $100k USD :sold:

You bring up a good point which we are going to go into more detail in an email to our list.

ALWAYS BUY ASSETS (meaning domains with traffic/revenue)

If anybody is stockpiling domains that don't cover reg fee hoping for a miracle of an end user sale or things to turn around then you are not investing correctly.

Invest for passive income.

If you can't find domains with traffic/revenue, then immediately stop registering/buying domains and figure out how to gauge if a domain has traffic. That is the first step. There is ways to do this, you just have to be creative.

In regards to your pitch to have us buy your 1 character domains, if they have revenue, we will gladly pay X years on them. We buy revenue domains, not speculative ones.

I dont bother with "moral" debates anymore, especially since I already know where you stand. Why bother even bringing it back up? Yes I am shameless of what I do. I live a happy life, and I don't appreciate a moderator putting a damning post like that. Of course I don't give a shit what anyone online thinks, most everyone I know want to get into what I do :lol: .

Fact of the matter is I call BS on 3000 a day, and until I see proof, everyone should question it.

If porn in peruvian cant make you back reg fee, oh btw a "generic", happy now purist?, how in the world are you going to make profit out of this "cctld strategy"?

I've lost lots of money on crappy cctlds before I realized what I was doing wrong. DONT LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!

I mus hand it down to 3000 a day though, lately the one letters have been getting many bids, albiet lowballs.

Sorry about your Peruvian investment. We don't own many domains there because their registry can be quite difficult in terms of communication involving payments for your registrations.

Which extension were you trying in Peru, .pe or .com.pe? Or was it some lesser known Peruvian extension like .net.pe? Are you saying you were able to register porn.pe or porn.com.pe and it did not make you money? Or are you saying you were unable to register the domain for certain reasons?

Also, one thing to consider is that South American traffic does not always pay well. Some Spanish traffic from Chile was paying very well in the latter part of 2006 through mid-2007 but has since gone down. So you have to make sure you fully examine the market you are getting into before you jump in the deep end.

 

[ZOX]

You bring up a good point which we are going to go into more detail in an email to our list.

ALWAYS BUY ASSETS (meaning domains with traffic/revenue)

If anybody is stockpiling domains that don't cover reg fee hoping for a miracle of an end user sale or things to turn around then you are not investing correctly.

Invest for passive income.

If you can't find domains with traffic/revenue, then immediately stop registering/buying domains and figure out how to gauge if a domain has traffic. That is the first step. There is ways to do this, you just have to be creative.

In regards to your pitch to have us buy your 1 character domains, if they have revenue, we will gladly pay X years on them. We buy revenue domains, not speculative ones.



Sorry about your Peruvian investment. We don't own many domains there because their registry can be quite difficult in terms of communication involving payments for your registrations.

Which extension were you trying in Peru, .pe or .com.pe? Or was it some lesser known Peruvian extension like .net.pe? Are you saying you were able to register porn.pe or porn.com.pe and it did not make you money? Or are you saying you were unable to register the domain for certain reasons?

Also, one thing to consider is that South American traffic does not always pay well. Some Spanish traffic from Chile was paying very well in the latter part of 2006 through mid-2007 but has since gone down. So you have to make sure you fully examine the market you are getting into before you jump in the deep end.

The problem with "fully examining" the market before you jump in is that someone else beats you to it...like Mr. $3000/day!

 

[3000aday]

This is simply an exercise in increasing their domain value (well, 'value', more like what people are willing to pay.) It's clever and I'll commend them for the idea, I don't agree with it though. It's just like those god awful buyout threads which encourage 'inexperienced' domainers to buy useless domains with only resale value, no end user value. It's up to RJ what he does with namepros, however I'd expect him to be at least a bit diligent? This is quite clearly an attempt at increasing the value of ccTLDs and it's going to catch a lot of 'new' users off guard.

I agree with Sam, btw.

We would classify this as increasing awareness of the ccTLD market as a whole. We are not actively selling any of our domains and to date, we have only sold domains to end users. We are averaging 3-5 ccTLD sales a month. Our only benefit is to recoup some of our marketing budget with some paid products and hopefully build trust/authority over the long term as we possibly plan on building cctld services to cover the ccTLD market just as there is so many services covering the .com space.

Also, we would like to be clear, we haven't said go spend your last dollar or mortgage your house on ccTLDs or anything of the sort. What we are preaching is this: OPEN UP YOUR EYES and look beyond .com/.net and you may find another avenue to generate revenue, etc.. Not everybody will succeed, that is just a fact of life. But for those that take the time, it is still our opinion there is a TON of opportunity left in ccTLDs and we are continuing to invest in them and in programmers to code tools to help us explore those opportunities.

 

[ZOX]

We would classify this as increasing awareness of the ccTLD market as a whole. We are not actively selling any of our domains and to date, we have only sold domains to end users. We are averaging 3-5 ccTLD sales a month. Our only benefit is to recoup some of our marketing budget with some paid products and hopefully build trust/authority over the long term as we possibly plan on building cctld services to cover the ccTLD market just as there is so many services covering the .com space.

Also, we would like to be clear, we haven't said go spend your last dollar or mortgage your house on ccTLDs or anything of the sort. What we are preaching is this: OPEN UP YOUR EYES and look beyond .com/.net and you may find another avenue to generate revenue, etc.. Not everybody will succeed, that is just a fact of life. But for those that take the time, it is still our opinion there is a TON of opportunity left in ccTLDs and we are continuing to invest in them and in programmers to code tools to help us explore those opportunities.

That's what I mean...how can we even compete with you getting nice ccTLD's if you have your whole "crew" continually investing and programming new coding tools...most domainers don't have that kind of luxury.

 

[samuelhr]

We would classify this as increasing awareness of the ccTLD market as a whole. We are not actively selling any of our domains and to date, we have only sold domains to end users. We are averaging 3-5 ccTLD sales a month. Our only benefit is to recoup some of our marketing budget with some paid products and hopefully build trust/authority over the long term as we possibly plan on building cctld services to cover the ccTLD market just as there is so many services covering the .com space.

Also, we would like to be clear, we haven't said go spend your last dollar or mortgage your house on ccTLDs or anything of the sort. What we are preaching is this: OPEN UP YOUR EYES and look beyond .com/.net and you may find another avenue to generate revenue, etc.. Not everybody will succeed, that is just a fact of life. But for those that take the time, it is still our opinion there is a TON of opportunity left in ccTLDs and we are continuing to invest in them and in programmers to code tools to help us explore those opportunities.

I like that you're being open about your intentions, it's nice to see, for once, however you've got to understand that this market is full of people inexperienced grasping at every dollar they can get their grubby little mitts on, you tell them that your domain that contains 4 numbers and 21 letters has sold for $1000 and there'll be a buyout within days.

 

[3000aday]

I too have regged quite a few "duds" in ccTLD extensions but i have hit some with some traffic and revenue. The thing i think besides getting premium names that the 3k a day domainer did was scale the process. This is why i am thinking there is a company or multiple people backing this. Can any ONE domainer do this? IMO, prolly not. The techniques can obviously be applied if they truly do have good information and scaled but there is only so much room for this as well. Another reason i think these techniques will be "exposed", make more money.

At the beginning there was only one but since then we have grown and more people have joined our projects. As our success has increased, it has allowed us to add more programmers and people to help manage our portfolio better. But like we stressed in the video, we were just like everyone else when we started: The Entry Customer, making only five bucks a day. We have experienced the success and failure.

 

[steveteva]

I can register .fr no problem but it's useless because all generic and good domains are already taken, worlwide domainers are really active, there are domainers in france that are as good as american in domaining so competition is big and I can bet you won't find any good names available, check sedo France, many many generic names and for sale for high price. This is also true for other countries like Germany, England, ...
Don't know about spain yet.
I believe that some market like canada .ca are still untapped but canada end users are not yet willing to cash on high profile domains.

I've been looking into the proxy registrar services discussed in the 3000/day videos - i.e. ways to register domains in countries where a local presence is required. I'm particularly interested in .FR, since I know the language. However, I seem to hit two problems:

• There are stories about the French registry (and other countries too, e.g. Canada) confiscating domains from people who have dodged the rules. The proxy concept doesn't seem entirely legal, unless the registrar retains ownership of the domain.
• The 3000/day video talks about registering domains in countries with a "$6" reg fee rather than a $20 fee... but I can't find anyone offering a proxy service at those prices. OVH is giving away .FR domains at 0.90 EUR/year to those who satisfy the rules, while AllDomainRegistrar is charging 15 EUR registration plus 20 EUR per domain for the proxy address. Foreign domainers cannot compete if we have to pay 39 times the local price.

Thanks for your post. In our situation we use a personal friend who lives in France as our proxy to register .fr domains. We do own some but, this market, due to its limitations, is not one of the main markets we invest in.

To answer your 2 points:

- Yes we have heard those stories as well about the French registry confiscating domains but not for using a proxy service, but rather for typo squatting. We have not had any problems losing any domains.

- With $6 reg fee, we were referring more to .ES and a few others that have lower registration fees. We know of a registrar offering 6.95 EURO .ES registrations for the entry customer and then with the more .ES domains you maintain with that registrar, the registration fee decreases. We currently pay less than five euro for our .ES registrations with our bulk provider.

 

[ZOX]

I can register .fr no problem but it's useless because all generic and good domains are already taken, worlwide domainers are really active, there are domainers in france that are as good as american in domaining so competition is big and I can bet you won't find any good names available, check sedo France, many many generic names and for sale for high price. This is also true for other countries like Germany, England, ...
Don't know about spain yet.
I believe that some market like canada .ca are still untapped but canada end users are not yet willing to cash on high profile domains.

I agree with this totally! All you have left are little minuscule countries with almost no parking revenue imho...and domainers are DEFINITELY not only in America!
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BTW, Mr. Dicker didn't leave too many worthy .ca's to reg either!

 

[3000aday]

That's what I mean...how can we even compete with you getting nice ccTLD's if you have your whole "crew" continually investing and programming new coding tools...most domainers don't have that kind of luxury.

No reason to get discouraged. Almost every single domainer out there has started alone (as did we) and as they have found what works they hired help to manage it or help them expand. You have to start somewhere and just cause we have a bigger team does not mean you won't be able to find good domains. There is thousands upon thousands of people competing in .com, all with varying levels of staff and people are still able to come in new and find ways to make money. May not be on new hand registrations, but may be on new trends, being a broker or whatever.

 

[ZOX]

No reason to get discouraged. Almost every single domainer out there has started alone (as did we) and as they have found what works they hired help to manage it or help them expand. You have to start somewhere and just cause we have a bigger team does not mean you won't be able to find good domains. There is thousands upon thousands of people competing in .com, all with varying levels of staff and people are still able to come in new and find ways to make money. May not be on new hand registrations, but may be on new trends, being a broker or whatever.

Of course not! ...Believe me, I LOVE this "business/hobby"! :tu:
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Make it or Break it! :lol:
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And I'm beginning to "employ" some smarty-pants peeps lately also
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P.S. Maybe you can change your name to "$3000 a day Domaining TEAM"?

 

[3000aday]

I would be interested in those freshly registered, $1 a day revenue ccTLDs if they can be found. What is the most recent registration of a decent type in traffic name?

We registered a .nl domain that is making more than a dollar a day on February 2nd along with two other domains (a .nl and a .de) that are making close to a buck a day. Again, the thing to remember is you are not going to find home runs every day. They should not take the majority of your focus. What you should be looking for is domains that make .10 a day which would be $36.50 a year. If the domain cost $10 to register than that would be a $26.50 profit, more than double your initial investment, just to show you an example. Finding those domains is much easier than waiting/looking for only home run domains.

 

[ZOX]

We registered a .nl domain that is making more than a dollar a day on February 2nd along with two other domains (a .nl and a .de) that are making close to a buck a day. Again, the thing to remember is you are not going to find home runs every day. They should not take the majority of your focus. What you should be looking for is domains that make .10 a day which would be $36.50 a year. If the domain cost $10 to register than that would be a $26.50 profit, more than double your initial investment, just to show you an example. Finding those domains is much easier than waiting/looking for only home run domains.

Do you only use SEDOPRO?

 

[DotUSDomains]

We registered a .nl domain that is making more than a dollar a day on February 2nd along with two other domains (a .nl and a .de) that are making close to a buck a day. Again, the thing to remember is you are not going to find home runs every day. They should not take the majority of your focus. What you should be looking for is domains that make .10 a day which would be $36.50 a year. If the domain cost $10 to register than that would be a $26.50 profit, more than double your initial investment, just to show you an example. Finding those domains is much easier than waiting/looking for only home run domains.

Please do

 

[StrikeP]

This guy is on the money. He knows exactly what he is talking about.

The only problem I have ran into the past week since I have been thoroughly researching his videos, methods, techniques is that I get timed out from the ccTLD whois searches You're only allowed maybe 25 searches then your cut for what seems 24 hours, any way around this?

Keep up the Good Work $3000 Dood, Im jealous lol

 

[ZOX]

This guy is on the money. He knows exactly what he is talking about.

The only problem I have ran into the past week since I have been thoroughly researching his videos, methods, techniques is that I get timed out from the ccTLD whois searches You're only allowed maybe 25 searches then your cut for what seems 24 hours, any way around this?

Keep up the Good Work $3000 Dood, Im jealous lol

Dood?
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Which "searches"?
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Can you post a link please?

 

[3000aday]

This guy is on the money. He knows exactly what he is talking about.

The only problem I have ran into the past week since I have been thoroughly researching his videos, methods, techniques is that I get timed out from the ccTLD whois searches You're only allowed maybe 25 searches then your cut for what seems 24 hours, any way around this?

Keep up the Good Work $3000 Dood, Im jealous lol

Strike, which whois service are you trying to use? And for which extensions? For bulk requests you can always try EURODNS bulk whois service:

EURODNS

Just click bulk search

Or you can query the RIPE Database:

RIPE

There are some CCTLD's that are extremely strict on whois requests though.

 

[Sam]

Dear 3k a day,

I like your professionalism, but in regards to advice, you are telling domainers to buy ccTLDS eg 1-3 letters, but then tell me that you wont buy except its revenue? Well yes, everyone buys revenue names, how does that make that different then .com...

I had petardas.pe , ask any peruvian and its pretty funny their replies! Also petarda.com.pe, anyone who wants to take a risk go ahead and reg!

I have done cctld data mining for last 2 years, scanned 10s of millions of names, theres always a few goodies after a scan of 100,000+. So yes, this method works, but after 2 years, im not even CLOSE to even 500 a day, so this is why I am scepticle.

Sam

You bring up a good point which we are going to go into more detail in an email to our list.

ALWAYS BUY ASSETS (meaning domains with traffic/revenue)

If anybody is stockpiling domains that don't cover reg fee hoping for a miracle of an end user sale or things to turn around then you are not investing correctly.

Invest for passive income.

If you can't find domains with traffic/revenue, then immediately stop registering/buying domains and figure out how to gauge if a domain has traffic. That is the first step. There is ways to do this, you just have to be creative.

In regards to your pitch to have us buy your 1 character domains, if they have revenue, we will gladly pay X years on them. We buy revenue domains, not speculative ones.



Sorry about your Peruvian investment. We don't own many domains there because their registry can be quite difficult in terms of communication involving payments for your registrations.

Which extension were you trying in Peru, .pe or .com.pe? Or was it some lesser known Peruvian extension like .net.pe? Are you saying you were able to register porn.pe or porn.com.pe and it did not make you money? Or are you saying you were unable to register the domain for certain reasons?

Also, one thing to consider is that South American traffic does not always pay well. Some Spanish traffic from Chile was paying very well in the latter part of 2006 through mid-2007 but has since gone down. So you have to make sure you fully examine the market you are getting into before you jump in the deep end.

 

[ZOX]

Dear 3k a day,

I like your professionalism, but in regards to advice, you are telling domainers to buy ccTLDS eg 1-3 letters, but then tell me that you wont buy except its revenue? Well yes, everyone buys revenue names, how does that make that different then .com...

I had petardas.pe , ask any peruvian and its pretty funny their replies! Also petarda.com.pe, anyone who wants to take a risk go ahead and reg!

I have done cctld data mining for last 2 years, scanned 10s of millions of names, theres always a few goodies after a scan of 100,000+. So yes, this method works, but after 2 years, im not even CLOSE to even 500 a day, so this is why I am scepticle.

Sam

And Sam really DOES know his stuff in ccTLD's!
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He's not incognito and really active on the forums!
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That's why I'm a little tiny bit skeptical also...
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Either way, I always have my .COM's to fall back on! :hehe:
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There have been some ASTOUNDING Domainers dabbling in ccTLD's for YEARS now...have you heard how huge "MR .CM" is?

 

[StrikeP]

Strike, which whois service are you trying to use? And for which extensions? For bulk requests you can always try EURODNS bulk whois service:

EURODNS

Just click bulk search

Or you can query the RIPE Database:

RIPE

There are some CCTLD's that are extremely strict on whois requests though.

I'm not sure because I have already went through thousands of names, but I remember .nl in particular, and 2 other cctld whois services, but I will refer to your post above for future whois queries.

How many domains do you own, 40,000?

40,000 domains * $0.08 cents per day = $3000+ is this fair to say?

 

[Ross]

Dear 3k a day,

I like your professionalism, but in regards to advice, you are telling domainers to buy ccTLDS eg 1-3 letters, but then tell me that you wont buy except its revenue? Well yes, everyone buys revenue names, how does that make that different then .com...

I had petardas.pe , ask any peruvian and its pretty funny their replies! Also petarda.com.pe, anyone who wants to take a risk go ahead and reg!

I have done cctld data mining for last 2 years, scanned 10s of millions of names, theres always a few goodies after a scan of 100,000+. So yes, this method works, but after 2 years, im not even CLOSE to even 500 a day, so this is why I am scepticle.

Sam

Like i said in my previous post, to get $3k a day it has to be done to scale, i.e. hire a staff/team. Otherwise you end up searching 100k domains yourself and only find 2 or 3.