advice Opt out 60 days lock

[frank-germany]

does somebody know
how the ICANN terms
allow an out opt of the 60 day lock period
when I transfer my own domains to another registrar?
( .com )

 

[Name Trader]

That interesting. I guess different people have different experiences. I've been reselling domains off and on since about 2005/2006 and I have never had a buyer have a problem with a push instead of a transfer.

I have a push-only policy. I don't believe in getting involved in transfers. The less hands in the mix, the better.

But would consider a transfer IF the sale was over a certain amount and it meant losing a sale if I did not engage in the transfer.

To me, it makes no sense why someone would care if it was a push or a transfer.

The main reason is because end-users don't want to have to deal with any registrar they are not already comfortable with. It makes perfect sense. As a domainer, I refuse to accept any pushes to my GoDaddy Account. If the domain is not transferable. I don't want it. There are plenty more domains to choose to spend my valuable money on. I personally think you are being too harsh if you expect the buyer to accept a push to your registrar. IMHO.

 

[Name Trader]

No such mandatory requirements by ICANN.
I have successfully transferred 1 day old domains from 1and1.
Because Donuts doesn't set 60 days per their TLDs, 1and1 as well.

OK. Then you've found your perfect solution where to register your domains

See this https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-holder-faqs-2017-10-10-en Part 5

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

ICANN just accepts such locks, but they are not mandatory.
To lock or not to lock - fully depends on Registry and Registrar.

 

[EbookLover]

The main reason is because end-users don't want to have to deal with any registrar they are not already comfortable with. It makes perfect sense. As a domainer, I refuse to accept any pushes to my GoDaddy Account. If the domain is not transferable. I don't want it. There are plenty more domains to choose to spend my valuable money on. I personally think you are being too harsh if you expect the buyer to accept a push to your registrar. IMHO.

Admittedly, I have only had roughly 10 end-user sales in the 800 or so sales I have had since 2005/2006. I guess I never dealt with an end-user who felt he could find another/a better domain to suit his needs?

I'm sure in the future I will come across such a buyer and may go ahead and engage in the transfer.

But, for now, I push for the push

 

[Name Trader]

ICANN just accepts such locks, but they are not mandatory.
To lock or not to lock - fully depends on Registry and Registrar.

Then why do ICANN state this as fact then?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

See this https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-holder-faqs-2017-10-10-en Part 5

Your registrar may deny...

May and Must are different words.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Then why do ICANN state this as fact then?

They state what is allowed, but it is not mandatory.

 

[EbookLover]

 

[Name Trader]

Your registrar may deny...

May and Must are different words.

OK. Gotcha So we have Donuts and 1and1 which allow you to transfer before 60 days on a new domain. But the buyer won't get another year added at the receiving end. But then I'd forgo that to not have to deal with 1and1 AT ALL

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Already answered 100 times.
Registry and/or Registrar can set this lock.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

OK. Gotcha So we have Donuts and 1and1 which allow you to transfer before 60 days on a new domain.

The same should be for Verisign and Neustar TLDs, they don't lock their TLDs.

 

[Name Trader]

Since around 95% of the world deals in .com, I think it not really practical to talk about Donuts and other TLDs. So we have 1and1 as the only .com registrar which allows transfers within the first 60 days. Is that correct?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

They were transferred because I have sold them to endusers within 1-40 days.
.life domains.

And Yes, .com transfer from 1and1 should work... because no any technical barriers.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

The gaining registrar doesn't matter de jure.
But de facto some registrars can't even initiate the transfer if age is below 60 days (@Dynadot and @namesilo as examples).
They still don't understand the modern transfer process.

This problem is even more important.

 

[Name Trader]

They were transferred because I have sold them to endusers within 1-40 days.
.life domains.

And Yes, .com transfer from 1and1 should work... because no any technical barriers.

There are plenty of technical barriers. Like domains not resolving within the 1st 5 days (sometimes more). Like the hosting contract you are obliged to accept with every domain. like the draconian measures they use to enforce the hosting contract, even when the domain is sold. Like their awful Control Panel. Like their response times. There is nothing to like about 1and1, IMHO. I can say the only positive thing is they allow you to transfer out after 1 day. But this is still not any kind of compensation for all the aggravation they give you.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I have X,XXX domains at 1and1.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Hosting contracts are not needed at all, why you order them???
There is a plain domain contract at 1and1.

And response time is within 15 min - few hours.

 

[Name Trader]

I have X,XXX domains at 1and1.

Good luck with all that aggravation. I have 0 (now). And I will NEVER have any more domains at 1and1.

 

[Name Trader]

Hosting contracts are not needed at all, why you order them???
There is a plain domain contract at 1and1.

And response time is within 15 min - few hours.

For you maybe. But that was definitely not my experience in the past. Once bitten, twice shy. Is my motto.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

This thread is not about 1and1, you may use what you want.
My experience with 1and1 is almost 10 years... mid X,XXX domains were regged and transferred (in and out).

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

And email support is not even needed, they offer Callback.

 

[Name Trader]

This thread is not about 1and1, you may use what you want.
My experience with 1and1 is almost 10 years... mid X,XXX domains were regged and transferred (in and out).

I'm happy for you. You were the one mentioning technical barriers. So i mentioned some of the technical barriers I found when using 1and1.

 

[Name Trader]

And email support is not even needed, they offer Callback.

Suppose I'm visiting Australia. Will they call me back in Australia to fix any problem?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Tech barriers = 60 Days Lock by Registry and/or Registrar.
No such locks by Verisign and 1and1. The domains are fully transferrable.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Suppose I'm visiting Australia. Will they call me back in Australia to fix any problem?

They call worldwide.