information I will never help another domainer

[uglydork]

So I have a guy hit me up with an unsolicited direct message asking me to buy a 3 letter domain -he did the same thing months ago with another name and I nicely said no.
He wanted 6 figures months ago and now 50k. It is a nice 3 letter but I am trying to sell Birdsnest.com and pacemakers.com right now so I’m tied up.
The guy keeps messaging me so I decide to help him out and I reach out to my big boy contacts - I try not to bother these guys unless it’s something good and out of my range.
This is on Monday - a holiday where I live. My big guy gives me a number and the seller doesn’t like it. Ok - don’t take it - goodbye. Nope - comes back with another number. I tell him my big guy won’t negotiate- he insists.
At this point I am a broker on this deal! My big guy literally tells me “ tell him to fuck off” and my big guy is in the middle of closing on a house. The buyer knows all this information and keeps pushing. He finally tells me he will take the big guys offer after hours of telling me he has had better offers. I’m shielding my big guy from all this nonsense to help the seller get a deal done - he seems desperate.
I literally tell him that the big guy is buying a house as we speak - he has to agree and then I will give you his email for escrow. I’m not giving out the big guys name or email to anyone or he will disown me.
He keeps pressing me for his address.
It’s a holiday - I’m off work - my wife is complaining because I’m ignoring her and the kids - it was the last 80 degree day in Buffalo for 7 months. The buyer is busy buying a house with his wife out of the country with a time difference.
I finally get the ok from the big boy to give him an address to start escrow. I DM the buyer the address and.......POOF! Not even a thank you. It’s been 2 days and I know Escrow closed - the last message is me giving him an email address and then silence.
I literally spent hours as a go between helping this seller - I had to keep a buffer or the big boy would have told him to kiss his ass and backed out.
I spent my day off helping someone and not even a thanks - if you read this - it’s normally 10% - you’re welcome- that was a big sale - enjoy you sale and money.
Don’t help people-

 

[Arfy]

@uglydork

I agree with you..that the seller needs to be grateful and practice honesty #integrity

However, you mentioned 10%

You need to treat what you're doing as a business and establish that from the get go. Basically agree to a percentage of the sale. And set up the transaction yourself if needs be. I think escrow allows you to start a transaction as a broker and you would receive your portion as long as the payment and transfer goes through as planned. But it doesn't make sense to look for that after, even though it wouldn't hurt for them to show some thanks. This goes for family too, not just domainers.

We all live and we learn. Just do things as a business or otherwise do them from the goodness of your heart without motive or expection. Blessings will come back to you, but not always from the same person you helped. Stay the same. Light doesn't conform to the dark.

That seller burned a bridge.

You need to read the whole thread.

 

[Addison]

I don’t know who or what you are talking about

You shouldn't associate with someone you fear, but look, I'll drop it because neither of us want him to attack you next.

 

[Arfy]

Yet another example that Andrew Rosener of Media Options (the buyer) is a cancer?

You are the latest victim in a long list of victims. How many go unreported? IMO, hundreds every year.



Mr. Rosener has left a monstrous wake of victims. Do business with him and his company at your own peril.

Kudos if you've got the intestinal fortitude to share your story. I, for one, will support you.



Richard, your downfall is you idolize Mr. Rosener. You're letting his poisonous mentality rub off on you.

He's not worthy of your (or anyone's) adoration. His wickedness is repulsive.

Wow... just wow. Thanks for showing me that thread.

 

[uglydork]

I didn't say you were, but it was just too good of a setup to pass on.

 

[uglydork]

You shouldn't associate with someone you fear, but look, I'll drop it because neither of us want him to attack you next.

I fear no one and answer to no one. This is part time income
Who is Andrew?

 

[JB Lions]

I fear no one and answer to no one. This is part time income
Who is Andrew?

The guy you're congratulating on his new home purchase - https://twitter.com/andrewrosener/status/1049322603251453952

RichardDynas.com‏ @RichardDynas Oct 8

Replying to @andrewrosener
Congratulations

 

[uglydork]

Let's move on. I am considering writing a post about how the buyer was abusive and made threats over email so everybody has both sides of the story and is well informed of who this buyer and their company is. I will think about it as it is always best to make decisions when you have had a few days to think.

For now I will stop monitoring this thread. This thread adds no value to anybody involved or the community. I don't know why it was created.

It was created because I spent the better part of a day helping you and then you disappeared immediately after getting what you needed out of me without a word!

 

[uglydork]

The guy you're congratulating on his new home purchase - https://twitter.com/andrewrosener/status/1049322603251453952

RichardDynas.com‏ @RichardDynas Oct 8

Replying to @andrewrosener
Congratulations

He sells domains? He is an old college buddy

 

[Arfy]

It was created because I spent the better part of a day helping you and then you disappeared immediately after getting what you needed out of me without a word!

I was trying to sort out the shit that was going on with the guy you introduced. 12 hours later you posted this thread and didn't give me a chance to get back to you... even though your post was totally against me, the deal fell through and I was threatened by the introduced buyer, I still contacted you to say thanks for trying to help as you're not responsible for his actions. You accepted that you were hasty in creating this post. Now you're saying it again.

 

[uglydork]

I was trying to sort out the sh*t that was going on with the guy you introduced. 12 hours later you posted this thread and didn't give me a chance to get back to you... even though your post was totally against me, the deal fell through and I was threatened by the introduced buyer, I still contacted you to say thanks for trying to help. You accepted that you were hasty in creating this post. Now you're saying it again.

2 days is not hasty - you had no problem emailing me all day long but the minute you got the buyers email address for escrow you went silent - not even “thanks for his email”

 

[Arfy]

2 days is not hasty - you had no problem emailing me all day long but the minute you got the buyers email address for escrow you went silent - not even “thanks for his email”

Let's get the facts straight. You sent the email at 9pm on Monday. You created this thread at 6pm yesterday (my time). That is a 21 hour difference. Now minus from that 21 hours 8 hours of sleep and 12 hours of work and commuting.

That leaves me one hour before you created that thread. Not to mention I am trying to sort out the fact that he cancelled.

 

[Arfy]

Now here is an email from me still thanking you even after you created this thread.

 

[Arfy]

For the record, Thanks for introducing the buyer. He was a total dick and caused a lot of issues but you couldn't have seen that coming and it wasn't your fault he did that. But you equally need to stop bringing up that I didn't thank you on time. P.s. I have removed details about the buyer and transaction from screenshot.

 

[wwwulff]

Why did the buyer back out?

 

[Arfy]

Why did the buyer back out?

To be honest I don't really know. He said he has his reasons.

 

[Arfy]

I'm leaving this thread now as it is extremely time consuming and a waste of energy.
Message me personally if you want to ask anything.

Peace out and happy domaining.

 

[hawkeye]

He sells domains? He is an old college buddy

With the age diff, I highly doubt that. Unless you're snarkly referring to someone you went to college with the same name, which would have no bearing on this thread or this forum.

 

[wormfood]

you're pretending to not know who Andrew Rosener is?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/are-we-idiots.1049533/#post-6431423



or was it a bad joke

 

[hawkeye]

you're pretending to not know who Andrew Rosener is?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/are-we-idiots.1049533/#post-6431423



or was it a bad joke

And he's not to good at pretending that either. Check out crypto's image post, you can read thru the blacked out part of ugly's email where he notes Drews email addy. But...he doesn't know him.


One big sale, a 'now-a-domainer-player' does not make.

 

[Ategy]

I spend 2-3 hours a day doing my lists .. about 100 people a day view them here at NamePros .. yet only 2-3 people even bother to click "Thanks" (it's pretty much always the same people)! It's pretty sad when I actually think about it .. So I try not to think about it! lol

From time to time I get a private message from someone thanking me for my lists, or for information/comments/ideas in the blog portion above my lists, or for something I posted elsewhere at NamePros .. and I can say without a doubt that those personal messages, and even seeing people click thanks regularly, do give me the warm and fuzzies!

In the end though, I think most people don't thank others mostly just because they don't think the other person cares, or that their one click on the "Thanks" button makes a difference ... and not because they are not appreciative of what that other person did.
(I'm talking in general .. this specific situation in this thread is a little too all over the place to say anything for sure .. and that's even after I read every post .. lol)

That being said though .. there is way too much hate being bounced around the domaining world. Maybe sometimes it's justified .. while other times it most certainly isn't. I've only been here a couple of years now, but I've been personally attacked on the forum a couple of times simply for sharing and exploring ideas .. ironically those ideas were on how to improve things for all domainers. It's one thing to attack someone who has deliberately done something to tangibly harm you in some way .. but verbally abusing people for sharing their opinions openly in a discussion here at NP is definitely crossing the line.

It's also important to not base too much on what you actually see here in the forums, as often the context of things are completely changed due to edited posts, and more importantly, by posts that were later deleted by forum moderators/admin.

Anyhow .. "Thanks" for reading my post! lol .. I hope those involved manage to straighten things back out .. seems like it was just a little communications hiccup partially from both sides .. would be a shame if you guys let this escalate to the point where you could no longer work with each other in the future .. that would be a loss for both of you.

 

[Windoms]

That being said though .. there is way too much hate being bounced around the domaining world.

The girls they are cool but ive noticed you never see them around here.
Why are you guys hiding?

 

[Bob Hawkes]

@Ategy.com just eloquently expressed (thank you, BTW, sincerely!) what was going around in my head. I really think this community, wonderful in so many ways, would be better if we could, while remaining open and honest, turn down the negative and occasionally even hateful rhetoric.

Also, it often is more effective to first try to resolve issues, whether with a company or an individual, quietly and directly. Two people I respect a lot in the domain world, DomainShane and Elliot Silver, both some months ago commented on this (not specific to domains) in their blogs.

Earlier in thread @MapleDots expressed sorrow that some informative threads get little notice while those full of heat get all the attention. I agree, and this saddens me.

I know I still have a lot to learn in domaining. Thank you all of you on NPs who have so generously helped me learn. I for one promise to do a more consistent job thanking people going forward.

Could we all commit to do our part to make discussions on NPs more positive, respectful and kind? Please.

Bob

 

[.X.]

It’s the nature of business , especially on a LLL.com, however, negotiating for hours is uncalled for IMO, the buyer knows the max they will pay, the seller knows the least they will accept, I will negotiate 4 total back and forth offer and counter offer, then I am done , rather I am the buyer or the seller, makes no difference, after 4 , I am done and moving on. Ask any car dealership that has tried their BS with me lol, I walk on their ass with the quickness.

At the same time, when brokering anything, both the client and buyer expect results, I have been there, done that, it is very tough, time consuming and can get ugly, back when I was brokering, I found a tactic that worked most of the time, “A cooling period” in the negotiations process. Let both parties think and be able to rationalize, then come back to the table.

The one big lesson I have learned in ALL aspects of domaining, accept the fact that there will be days that I will work hours, only to come up with nothing, zero, zilch. That’s domaining, at least in my case.

I can’t comment on the , who knew who , who didn’t know who , and all the intangibles in this thread, I don’t know either party involved.

 

[JB Lions]

I spend 2-3 hours a day doing my lists .. about 100 people a day view them here at NamePros .. yet only 2-3 people even bother to click "Thanks" (it's pretty much always the same people)! It's pretty sad when I actually think about it .. So I try not to think about it! lol

From time to time I get a private message from someone thanking me for my lists, or for information/comments/ideas in the blog portion above my lists, or for something I posted elsewhere at NamePros .. and I can say without a doubt that those personal messages, and even seeing people click thanks regularly, do give me the warm and fuzzies!

In the end though, I think most people don't thank others mostly just because they don't think the other person cares, or that their one click on the "Thanks" button makes a difference ... and not because they are not appreciative of what that other person did.
(I'm talking in general .. this specific situation in this thread is a little too all over the place to say anything for sure .. and that's even after I read every post .. lol)

That being said though .. there is way too much hate being bounced around the domaining world. Maybe sometimes it's justified .. while other times it most certainly isn't. I've only been here a couple of years now, but I've been personally attacked on the forum a couple of times simply for sharing and exploring ideas .. ironically those ideas were on how to improve things for all domainers. It's one thing to attack someone who has deliberately done something to tangibly harm you in some way .. but verbally abusing people for sharing their opinions openly in a discussion here at NP is definitely crossing the line.

It's also important to not base too much on what you actually see here in the forums, as often the context of things are completely changed due to edited posts, and more importantly, by posts that were later deleted by forum moderators/admin.

Anyhow .. "Thanks" for reading my post! lol .. I hope those involved manage to straighten things back out .. seems like it was just a little communications hiccup partially from both sides .. would be a shame if you guys let this escalate to the point where you could no longer work with each other in the future .. that would be a loss for both of you.

They're nice lists but to be clear, they're affiliate links, didn't see that mentioned. I would see any sales as a way of thanks, knowing people are going thru them and buying domains. Thanks are nice as well.

Ah, just reading the other thread where you mentioned it:

The first year of my daily auction and closeout lists was out of the goodness of my heart .. lol .. however for the record and for transparency .. a few months ago I added affiliate links.

 

[Ategy]

They're nice lists but to be clear, they're affiliate links, didn't see that mentioned. I would see any sales as a way of thanks, knowing people are going thru them and buying domains. Thanks are nice as well.
Ah, just reading the other thread where you mentioned it:

Yeah .. to be clear .. if you follow my blog you'll know I'm often running late for work because of the lists! lol ... What I haven't mentioned is ... that if I were to add up my taxi expenses and compared it to my affiliate commissions, most months it would be close to break even. Most people simply don't click the links .. just as they don't click thanks. The only reasons I continue to share the links is because I'm hoping to slowly grow .. and also because I'm planning on doing some wholesaling to trim my ever growing portfolio, and doing the lists will obviously help bring more attention to anything I put up for sale myself. but even with those factors in mind, I've contemplated stopping the lists a few times .. or possibly taking it private exclusive to people who actually use the links. I'm too busy with everything else to think about changing my routine .. so it'll likely be the status quo for the next little while .. lol

So long story short .. yes .. the "thanks" are appreciated and more importantly they are encouraging, as it also lets me know people actually find the lists useful/helpful/informative.