information I will never help another domainer

[uglydork]

So I have a guy hit me up with an unsolicited direct message asking me to buy a 3 letter domain -he did the same thing months ago with another name and I nicely said no.
He wanted 6 figures months ago and now 50k. It is a nice 3 letter but I am trying to sell Birdsnest.com and pacemakers.com right now so I’m tied up.
The guy keeps messaging me so I decide to help him out and I reach out to my big boy contacts - I try not to bother these guys unless it’s something good and out of my range.
This is on Monday - a holiday where I live. My big guy gives me a number and the seller doesn’t like it. Ok - don’t take it - goodbye. Nope - comes back with another number. I tell him my big guy won’t negotiate- he insists.
At this point I am a broker on this deal! My big guy literally tells me “ tell him to fuck off” and my big guy is in the middle of closing on a house. The buyer knows all this information and keeps pushing. He finally tells me he will take the big guys offer after hours of telling me he has had better offers. I’m shielding my big guy from all this nonsense to help the seller get a deal done - he seems desperate.
I literally tell him that the big guy is buying a house as we speak - he has to agree and then I will give you his email for escrow. I’m not giving out the big guys name or email to anyone or he will disown me.
He keeps pressing me for his address.
It’s a holiday - I’m off work - my wife is complaining because I’m ignoring her and the kids - it was the last 80 degree day in Buffalo for 7 months. The buyer is busy buying a house with his wife out of the country with a time difference.
I finally get the ok from the big boy to give him an address to start escrow. I DM the buyer the address and.......POOF! Not even a thank you. It’s been 2 days and I know Escrow closed - the last message is me giving him an email address and then silence.
I literally spent hours as a go between helping this seller - I had to keep a buffer or the big boy would have told him to kiss his ass and backed out.
I spent my day off helping someone and not even a thanks - if you read this - it’s normally 10% - you’re welcome- that was a big sale - enjoy you sale and money.
Don’t help people-

 

[Pierre Barnard]

Here we go - as always
Post at your own risk in this place

I think I need to clarify.

First off, I apologize. I had no right to flame you on a public forum. It was out of character for me and unprofessional.

I guess my frustration levels with domaining in general just got the better of me.

I should have known better.

Please accept my apology.

Pierre

 

[bmugford]

Domainer or not, some people are just dicks.

Brad

 

[dna]

No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[Vito]

I always believe that there's goodness in every person. When one errs due to his shortcoming, bad judgement, impatience, or simply carelessness there are times people just don't realize it. Whether consciously or unconsciously, one is always driven by outburst of emotion and as such may have done something opprobrious. Nobody is perfect in this world. In one way or another, we all do commit mistakes. Admittedly, it's quite hard to swallow one's pride when people starts to point the dirt on your face. You can't see it but certainly others do when they look at you. It would be far more admirable and more commendable then for a person to admit his mistake. The only thing is, if one thinks he is right in spite of everything while others ponder otherwise. This is where conflict comes in and this is where I believe people should be more understanding towards the weaknesses and imperfections that a person has. Constructive criticism works best imo rather than trying to directly hurt the pride and ego of an individual. After all, when your dignity and self-esteem is being attacked the atmosphere will certainly be marked with animosity, bitterness and hostility. Why make the ambience dark when treating each and everyone with respect and civility could turn this arena into a much better place and a shinier one. We are one brotherhood, let's keep it that way.

Man, 4better you sound like the patron saint of domaining. Very nice, sweet message you have in your writings.

You would definitely make a great PR guy for Ugly here who keeps pissing everyone off by putting his foot in his mouth.

But when i look at the domains in your sig in your profile i see you are taking offers on your first domain name, boldface and highlighted in purple - Gangraped.com. WTF?

This first domain name in your sig does not go along with any of your beautiful writings here. Even your UserName is extremely positive - "4 better".

"respect and civility could turn this arena into a much better place and a shinier one"

If you are to be taken more seriously, in the future, i would delete that domain from your registrar account asap. Nothing respectful, civil or shiny about gangrape in any way.

 

[Ategy]

I spend 2-3 hours a day doing my lists .. about 100 people a day view them here at NamePros .. yet only 2-3 people even bother to click "Thanks" (it's pretty much always the same people)! It's pretty sad when I actually think about it .. So I try not to think about it! lol

From time to time I get a private message from someone thanking me for my lists, or for information/comments/ideas in the blog portion above my lists, or for something I posted elsewhere at NamePros .. and I can say without a doubt that those personal messages, and even seeing people click thanks regularly, do give me the warm and fuzzies!

In the end though, I think most people don't thank others mostly just because they don't think the other person cares, or that their one click on the "Thanks" button makes a difference ... and not because they are not appreciative of what that other person did.
(I'm talking in general .. this specific situation in this thread is a little too all over the place to say anything for sure .. and that's even after I read every post .. lol)

That being said though .. there is way too much hate being bounced around the domaining world. Maybe sometimes it's justified .. while other times it most certainly isn't. I've only been here a couple of years now, but I've been personally attacked on the forum a couple of times simply for sharing and exploring ideas .. ironically those ideas were on how to improve things for all domainers. It's one thing to attack someone who has deliberately done something to tangibly harm you in some way .. but verbally abusing people for sharing their opinions openly in a discussion here at NP is definitely crossing the line.

It's also important to not base too much on what you actually see here in the forums, as often the context of things are completely changed due to edited posts, and more importantly, by posts that were later deleted by forum moderators/admin.

Anyhow .. "Thanks" for reading my post! lol .. I hope those involved manage to straighten things back out .. seems like it was just a little communications hiccup partially from both sides .. would be a shame if you guys let this escalate to the point where you could no longer work with each other in the future .. that would be a loss for both of you.

 

[Isac]

I would keep helping because when i was new here, many guys here helped me a lot without asking anything in return and i have helped many without asking something in return. To be honest it has build a great relation with many people around here. They are friends now.

Any quite honestly when your intention is to help someone. Then you shouldn't expect something in return but if you are doing business. Then it's you right to ask percentage of sale.

 

[MapleDots]

I think I need to clarify.

First off, I apologize. I had no right to flame you on a public forum. It was out of character for me and unprofessional.

I guess my frustration levels with domaining in general just got the better of me.

I should have known better.

Please accept my apology.

Pierre

That took a lot of guts to say on a public forum, you just earned my respect

We need to help each other and remember we are all in in the same boat.

Good show @Pierre Barnard

 

[MapleDots]

Isn't it funny how the topics that include conflict get the highest views and responses.
Some of the most informative topics are hardly responded too.

Don't forget to browse the forum between conflicts guys and gals, there is a lot of great information on nampros

 

[MapleDots]

I'm going to play devils advocate here and say @uglydork did get something out of this.


Bet you think I'm going to say a lesson right?

Nope....

@uglydork got a 3 letter domain to someone looking to increase his portfolio. From the sounds of it he is a bigger player and deals in top end domains. By maintaining a good relationship and possibly procuring a domain for him you are building bridges. What matters here is not the dick you dealt with but the so called big boy that purchased the domain. In this business we have long memories and we know who helped who and who did what.

It's a small industry, with many rivers to cross, the more bridges you build the better off you are.

 

[Pierre Barnard]

Richard, respectfully, just get over yourself brother.

 

[frank-germany]

I wasn’t trying to traditionally be a broker - just help someone who appeared to need some help

well looks like you did help him out..

you should be ok
you have done what you wanted

 

[JB Lions]

Why do you say it is MO? Is that the big guy?

He said it in his first post basically. Big domainer, broker, the cussing, wife out of country, just bought a house. He literally posted a pic of himself holding keys to his new house on Twitter 2 days ago.

 

[equity78]

I always believe that there's goodness in every person. When one errs due to his shortcoming, bad judgement, impatience, or simply carelessness there are times people just don't realize it. Whether consciously or unconsciously, one is always driven by outburst of emotion and as such may have done something opprobrious. Nobody is perfect in this world. In one way or another, we all do commit mistakes. Admittedly, it's quite hard to swallow one's pride when people starts to point the dirt on your face. You can't see it but certainly others do when they look at you. It would be far more admirable and more commendable then for a person to admit his mistake. The only thing is, if one thinks he is right in spite of everything while others ponder otherwise. This is where conflict comes in and this is where I believe people should be more understanding towards the weaknesses and imperfections that a person has. Constructive criticism works best imo rather than trying to directly hurt the pride and ego of an individual. After all, when your dignity and self-esteem is being attacked the atmosphere will certainly be marked with animosity, bitterness and hostility. Why make the ambience dark when treating each and everyone with respect and civility could turn this arena into a much better place and a shinier one. We are one brotherhood, let's keep it that way.

The history of mankind has shown there is not goodness in every person. It's a nice thought, but it's not true.

 

[Recons.Com]

Domainer or not, some people are just dicks.

Brad

Some are proud dicks!

 

[wwwweb]

Some are proud dicks!

Only thing is this Dick, pays really well for domains.

Runners.com, SportGear.com, and SportsGear.com was purchased by them 5 years ago for $395K.

 

[poweredbyme]

I wasn’t trying to traditionally be a broker - just help someone who appeared to need some help

If you expect something in return, it's not a friendly help, it's business with a stranger. Your conflict is here.

The guy may not appreciate your "help" if he thinks he made loss for selling his domain for cheap. Domainers frequently fall in love with their domains and may regret or have mixed feelings after the sale. This might explain his silence. Human psychology is a complex thing.

 

[MSN-Domains]

You can't make this stuff up, the seller is the same "Small Guy" who was blowing smoke up Schwartz's jaxie for saying this

I am sure some domainers sold NNN.com domain for $1000, $5000, $25,000 or even $50,000. At each and every level, those domainers left BIG MONEY on the table. They were in a rush to sell. What else is new? I started pricing my NNN.com at $100k ++ back before it ever hit $5k. I watched them climb from nothing to $1 Million and some for even more.

3 letter domains are selling for around $25k-37k. Way too cheap!! 1/10 of what the prices should be and probably will be in the not too distant future. LLL.com domains are worth a MINIMUM $100k! Any less is weak. Selling too cheap. A unique asset to fill a unique need of something very specific and you pull your pants down??!! WEAK!

under 3-Weeks later seller get's premature ejaculation and sells for $27.5k

I for one, love the comedy value of this forum. That is all

 

[mr-x]

Just an FYI - I am canceling my Namepros account for now - I can’t deal with backstabbing and childish assholes on this site
It’s more bad than good at this point - I don’t really get anything out of it anymore

I'm 98% sure you're a nice guy who needs to vent, but you invite drama and seem to like it.

 

[Casey L]

Ironically, the "small guy" seems to be the bigger man in all of this

 

[gilescoley]

I think some people are making comments without reading the entire thread. I have read everything and this is what I see.

All @uglydork asked for a simple "thanks", thats it, nothing else. I totally agree with him too, I'd expect the same, that's not asking for much. Forget about who the buyer was, who the seller was or what the name was, that is totally irrelevant here, a simple email saying "thanks for you help" would have been sufficient and would have taken all of 5 seconds to send. If someone had assisted me with a sale like that, I would have made sure that I sent an email like to the person if it was the last thing I did before going to bed, its all about common courtesy and showing your appreciation and gratitude to someone who has taken time out of their day, at no cost at all, to help you make a sale. To all the people going on about "asking for 10%", and "get it in writing" and "dont help someone without agreeing on a fee" etc, its not about that, its not what uglydork wanted, he was trying to help someone. I have often helped people on here, in public threads and using private message and I'm not asking for or expecting any money, I'm doing it to try and help someone, there is nothing wrong with that and not everyone is out to make a quick $$ in this industry.

Regarding the seller, he might have been really busy, was at work, was travelling, doing the school run etc so he may have planned on sending a thanks but just hadn't got around to it, so he may not have been in the wrong either here, its just a situation where timing and situations didn't quite align and it go blown out of proportion.

I think people need to slow down a bit and read the original thread and take it for what it is, and not make assumptions about peoples intentions, bring up old threads and make judgements based on things totally unrelated to this scenario.

I think we can all learn something from this thread Have a great day folks.

 

[deez007]

It happens unfortunatley...some people simply lack the common decency to have basic manners. I've experienced it a few times here as well. Not related to brokering a sale but often I'd get a out the blue DM from someone asking for my opinion on something. I remember some time ago where I actually spent a fair amount of time replying with links and suggetions because the persons initial DM came across as sincere.... after spending probably 30mins or so replying/finding links and pointing him in the right direction, I didn't even get a reply saying thank you or anything... absolutely nothing. I just laughed it off.

Interesting that u are trying to sell pacemakers .com ... I've been trying to sell pacemakers .ca

 

[Josh R]

Well I don't think there's a person on this forum that doesn't know who the buyer is lol!

I assume the domain was probably WOD (dot) com.

Feel free to email me if you want another "big "smaller" guy" to run deals by.

 

[uglydork]

I should have let this go for a few more days - my frustration got the better of me. I am picturing the buyer sitting on a mountain of cash laughing at me. That isnt what happened and I am sorry. I know better for next time. I would do it all over again, I like helping people. This was NEVER about money - I dont care about the money. It was the perceived notion of gratitude for a day of work on my part dealing with 2 people and a wife complaining.

 

[Arfy]

Enough has been said now - You guys should respect both seller/buyer if they wan't to air the details of the deal let them

Intermediaries should never disclose a private transaction in a open forum without good reason. Regardless of who it is, enough has been said on this

I have not disclosed anything. If I did, the "buyer" would be the one who would be exposed for being an egotistical and abusive person who seems to think he is invincible.

I'm not going to expose any details I don't want to harm another human being no matter how much of a douche they are.

Also... I am not the one who created this thread. I have the right to defend myself and leak the emails between me and buyer to show the true story but I will leave it here for now.

I won't be doing business ever again with that buyer or their company.