advice Owner renews domain immediately after expired GoDaddy auction ends, why would this happen?

[Matt Holden]

Can anybody shed some light as to why a domain owner would let a domain expire down to auction and then once it was won immediately renew it and then put it back onto DNS?

This just happened to me, with a domain won on GoDaddy expiring auction, the domain was resolving to a "GoDaddy soon to expire" holding page.

Within an hour of winning, the transaction was cancelled and the site is now resolving to an aftermarket sales page.

Have I missed something? surely they had to pay an $80 fine to renew it, so why wait till it was sold at auction.

Any help appreciated.

 

[carob]

This is a Go Daddy rule, not a registry rule. I know for a fact (via hard experience) that other registrars don't abide by this "rule."

Are you saying that those registrars refused to allow transfer out?
The relevant rules are here - they are set by ICANN
https://archive.icann.org/en/transfers/policy-12jul04.htm
Section 3 of that doc gives nine reasons registrars can refuse a transfer and says:

Upon denying a transfer request for any of the following reasons, the Registrar of Record must provide the Registered Name Holder and the potential Gaining Registrar with the reason for denial. The Registrar of Record may deny a transfer request only in the following specific instances:

 

[Ms Domainer]

Are you saying that those registrars refused to allow transfer out?
The relevant rules are here - they are set by ICANN
https://archive.icann.org/en/transfers/policy-12jul04.htm
Section 3 of that doc gives nine reasons registrars can refuse a transfer and says:

ICANN is toothless and does not enforce its own rules.

In 2014, I tried to renew e-fat.com from Register.com -- it was like 5 days over expiration -- but it was already out of my account. Register.com had transferred the domain to its shell company New Ventures Services and was offering to sell it back to me for $125. On principle, I passed.

There was no possibility for transferring the name out.

Anyway, my story is here:

http://www.scamful.com/2014/07/warning-if-you-own-domain-names-avoid.html​

They kept upping the price until just before they gave up and dropped the name, it was up to $1077.

The name dropped and I eventually hand regged it. It's not a great name, but, by God, it was mine.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Register.com may have interpreted ICANN rule number 5 to its own advantage:

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   5. No payment for previous registration period (including credit card charge-backs) if the domain name is past its expiration date or for previous or current registration periods if the domain name has not yet expired. In all such cases, however, the domain name must be put into "Registrar Hold" status by the Registrar of Record prior to the denial of transfer.

 

[TERADOMAIN]

I purchased OOOI.com for $3050 on Godaddy Auction but got message after 2-3 days the Name has been renewed by Original owner so got refund to my CC back. I also bought another big ticket items from Godaddy but I eventually received in my account after approximately 7 days.

 

[canswift]

The other which was an amazing name I actually got as a close-out, I'm still p.o'd the original owner reclaimed the day before I was due to get it.

This has now happened to me for the third time, all with the same original registrant. These are domains bought at closeout (so no big auction to provide a real-time "evaluation") and this registrant has in all cases renewed on the cusp of the day where I was to get the name into my account. This registrant owns over 1000 names, so what sort of renewals are they paying if (it seems) every one goes to the last possible moment with an $80 fee?? Like the OP, I just don't understand...

 

[AuctionBio]

There is also another scenario which is often overlooked. If the owner of the domain has no interest in renewing and is not aware of the auctions system, it's possible for a losing bidder to contact them directly to make an offer.

For example if the auction ends at $200, then a losing bidder could contact the owner direct via WHOIS history and offer them $150 - $80 for the redemption and $70 for their trouble. To the owner who had no intention of renewing, that is an enticing offer.

I've secured domains this way before so I'm sure others have too.

You are right, so godaddy can prevent this only to make it private so that any runner up or loosing bidder can not contact the previous owner directly.
Here Registrars should be fair enough with winning bidder.

 

[ben pedri]

on the flip side its nice to know you can pay 80 bucks and get back a domain that can be worth tens of thousands. I also have recovered domains in the same situation its good to have friends on the inside

 

[GoKaizen]

For some strange reason domainers don't like buying from domainers so listed auctions often do not reveal the current market price.

So true. People complain about the GD auction tactic all the time. What do you expect though? Investors refuse to buy from each other but love bidding at GD.

Most people don't pay $80, you can get the auth code and transfer out. You see closing price, get auth code and transfer to a place like Name.com for $8.25.

@stub posted info about this.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/transferring-expired-domains-from-godaddy.696248/

 

[ben pedri]

There are unfair tactics that go on at godaddy ,when they should be contacting you they are doing everything to keep you from knowing that your very very valuable domain is expiring. how is it that on the 25th day when domains start the countdown of expiring domains at tdnam 4 random domains show up on that list out of 5 but after searching for the domain from a different ip address the domain a LLLL.com chip can now be seen by me, this happened many times.

 

[Name Trader]

[QUOTE="Adam27, post: 5435408, member: 936032"
@stub posted info about this.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/transferring-expired-domains-from-godaddy.696248/[/QUOTE]

Thanks @Adam27. I standby all my statements in that thread. It explains GoDaddy's process exactly.

 

[Sephrata]

Hi

I am new here, but I just had the same with a GoDaddy expiring domain auction.

I was trying to buy wholovesme.com and I won the auction for $453.00. Within two minutes of winning the auction, I received an email stating that the current owner had renewed and the auction was cancelled.

I have a strong suspicion the owner (who owns some 4,000 domains) was bidding the auction up himself as 'Bidder 4' kept bidding me up in the last 30 secs of so countless times. Is this possible with GoDaddy?

 

[ben pedri]

It is possible ,but the reason he would was just to see what someone would pay for it ,at godaddy after 25 days the expired domain first comes open for bidding ,no matter how high the domain trades up to the old owner can recover his domain for up to 42 days after expiration. If he does not the winner of the domain in godaddy aftermarkets will get the domain. Sometimes an old owner will participate in an auction and pay up to $80 ,if he decided to go over 80 ,it would just be out of curiosity to see how much competitors would pay. No matter how high the auction would go even if it was a million dollars the old owner can just go to godaddy and pay 80 bucks plus whatever the renewal price is,to get the domain back in their account and have control of it today. So people think that godaddy bids on domains for there own agenda ,but this is very false Because the aftermarket will bring up valuable domains close to their full value and godaddy gets to keep every drop of this income.

 

[Name Trader]

@ben pedri - Most of the time the owner would transfer away to another registrar for just the renewal fee. They can transfer back to GoDaddy later if that is their preferred Registrar.

 

[ben pedri]

@ben pedri - Most of the time the owner would transfer away to another registrar for just the renewal fee. They can transfer back to GoDaddy later if that is their preferred Registrar.

STUB ,If your a premiere customer godaddy gives you till the 25th day instead of the 18th day to recover,from 25-30 days its $20 , my manager at godaddy D, she made the mistake of wanting to charge me $20 for 5 domains after their after hours support screwed up ,that I ended up dropping ,but godaddy ended up losing 4 grand for that when I physically drove to jersey to make a customer aware of his domain expiring ,since then I have done this many times in a smaller way, I was a headhunter and have ways of tracking people down. I do want to know about the transfer process after 25 days and if there is a way around the redemption. some registras have a 40 grace with no penalty.

 

[Name Trader]

You can transfer away up to day 42 after expiry. Transfer or Renewal same rules, except transfer only costs $8+

 

[ben pedri]

You can transfer away up to day 42 after expiry. Transfer or Renewal same rules, except transfer only costs $8+

So if I drop a domain because I throw in the towel after 10 years and never got a bite and I see that someone bid it up in the expiring auctions to whatever price ,I can put a transfer in with another company withing 42 days ,also how strict is this does it have to be complete or requested by the 42 day, and thank you for this

 

[Name Trader]

Yep. I think just as long as the transfer has started it's not a problem. And in any case. It only takes a few minutes to setup the transfer and approve the transfer away at GoDaddy

 

[ben pedri]

Yep. I think just as long as the transfer has started it's not a problem. And in any case. It only takes a few minutes to setup the transfer and approve the transfer away at GoDaddy

Thanks for this ,and just to let people know ,I am 99 percent sure it was dynadot ,I renewed on the 39th day a LLLL.com chip and it cost me regular renewal ,so that's now my register of choice along with porkbun.com and namesilo.com which give free privacy and prices are as cheap as discount club

 

[MapleDots]

Damn, I had a series of over 300 _ _ Canada.com & .ca names. I had hover.com buy every available one for me. I sold a bunch of them and made really good money. Ihe ones that expired I had two people call me and paid me the renewal plus a few hundred bucks.

Now I know why!!!

That was in my early domaining years when I was still pretty gullible.

 

[Sephrata]

So I've now won 5 .com domain auctions in the last 2 days and 3 of those domains have been renewed at the end of the auction. A little bit frustrating to say the least.

 

[ben pedri]

So I've now won 5 .com domain auctions in the last 2 days and 3 of those domains have been renewed at the end of the auction. A little bit frustrating to say the least.

It goes to show you know how to spot good domains .

 

[wwwweb]

All auctions come with risk, this is not a retail store where you go, and purchase something off the shelf for a fixed price.

When all these crazy bids are coming in, people need to think, and discount their bids for risk or renewal. It is in their TOS, if you don't like it, you don't bid.

I have seen real world auctions by certain agencies, even if you are the high bidder, they have the right to cancel your bid within X amount of hours.

Auctions are about terms, you have to read them carefully. The problem with auctions is domainers are paying up for them, as if they come with no downside, which they do, renewal.

 

[Sephrata]

It goes to show you know how to spot good domains .

To be honest, I am just looking for keywords or catchy domains that have just had the parking page but still attract traffic.

All auctions come with risk, this is not a retail store where you go, and purchase something off the shelf for a fixed price.

When all these crazy bids are coming in, people need to think, and discount their bids for risk or renewal. It is in their TOS, if you don't like it, you don't bid.

I have seen real world auctions by certain agencies, even if you are the high bidder, they have the right to cancel your bid within X amount of hours.

Auctions are about terms, you have to read them carefully. The problem with auctions is domainers are paying up for them, as if they come with no downside, which they do, renewal.

To be honest though, it is very unusual to find an auction where the owner has a free pass as to whether to accept the auction or not. That is essentially what happens with the GoDaddy auctions.

I guess my gripe is researching, spending time on an auction for certain domains that I don't technically win with the highest bid.

Does anyone know what happens at the end of an auction with the current owner? I am assuming they get an email and perhaps are told the price their domain was auctioned for?

 

[MapleDots]

I had never thought of contacting the previous owner of an expiring domain. I guess it is a fine line but if there was a domain I really really wanted I would side step the auction and contact the owner. I don't think sedo or godaddy will go bust if I snatch one little domain once in a while.

Besides I get too many crazy quotes at 75k when I try to purchase domains from owners so sometimes you have to use a few tricks to build your porfolio. Thanks for the heads up on this.....

 

[Name Trader]

I had never thought of contacting the previous owner of an expiring domain. I guess it is a fine line but if there was a domain I really really wanted I would side step the auction and contact the owner. I don't think sedo or godaddy will go bust if I snatch one little domain once in a while.

Besides I get too many crazy quotes at 75k when I try to purchase domains from owners so sometimes you have to use a few tricks to build your porfolio. Thanks for the heads up on this.....

To me this is a waste of time. The amount of replies you will get per 1000 domains doesn't make it cost beneficial. The amount of owners who are genuinely dropping that domain, have already written the money off. It depends on the owner's values what would motivate them to sell the domain to you. I wouldn't bother personally unless we are talking about $XXX. But you might just provoke the owner to renew the domain (the most likely scenario).