Is Adam Dicker a criminal? You decide.

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This story starts with DNF; a barren wasteland that once was a leading forum within the domain industry. While the forum itself played a huge role in propagating the myth that is Adam Dicker, the story really begins with DNF College in the summer of 2011.

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Updates / Reports
These are in no particular order.

• Report by headsupp (Resolved)
  • Relevant Videos
  • Reply to Adam
  • Update: Resolved
  
  
• Report by LannyB (Unresolved)
  • Response
    • Follow-up Questions
  
  
• Report by domainesque (Unresolved)
  • Update: Unresolved
  • Report Details
  • Update: Waiting on Refund
  
  
• Report of Shane Cultra's friends (Unresolved)
  • Update: Unpaid
  
  
• Report by Jeff Markus (Dissatisfied)
  
  
• Report by simmplex (Resolved)
  • Refunded
  
  
• Report by Blenja_Man (Pending)
  • Voucher
  • Update: Work in Progress
  
  
• Report by RandysDomains (Resolved)
  • Resolved
  
  
• Report by swamismith (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by Charlie (Unresolved)
  • Cover-up
  • Update: Unresolved
  
  
• Report by Jaqpot (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by anon22339 (Unresolved)
  • Details
  
  
• Report by Joseph Peterson (Resolved)
  • Update: Unpaid after 8 days
  • Update: Paid
  
  
• Report by Frank Schilling (Resolved)
  • Update: Paid
  
  
• Report by Lonewolf5503 (Paypal Dispute)
  • Update: Website not delivered and no longer accessible
  • Update: Lonewolf5503 wins PayPal dispute
  
  
• Report by GermanRaven (Unresolved)
  • Update: Full story
  
  
• Report by ClaudeDauman (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by bobsranch (Unresolved)
  • Details
  • Update: Legal Letter Received
  
  
• Report by Newby888 (Unresolved)
  
  
• Report by dougasd (Unresolved)

From what I understand, Adam still owes north of $33,000 to previous customers and business partners. As I receive more information, I will update this figure.

 

[baseballworld]

Another thing be careful guys. if this is not handled right legally or he's found innocent there is a lot of declamation of character here which could legally backfire on some people. best to let the lawyers handle it.

 

[carob]

Just ran a google search for "Website Designed by nichewebsites.com", the amount of times the same wp themes (Beyond and Avada mostly) with little to no customisation is used across different sites was shocking but then going into each site and realising all the text on all the sites are copied from EzineArticles is disgusting when we know these people paid good money for supposed unique content.

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Unauthorised use of copyright images on sites installed by nichewebsites.com may be a lot harder for the site owner to detect and the penalties far more costly - relentless four figure+ bills from people like Getty Images are a fact of life. For more info see earlier post:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/page-81#post-5055052

 

[daj]

If someone is truly serious about taking him to court to get their money back,
they can file a claim online against him in his local small claims court here:

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/scc/default.asp

Small claim courts in Canada are for anything under $25k.

His nearest courthouse would be:
Richmond Hill Small Claims Court
855 Major Mackenzie Drive East
Richmond Hill ON L4B 4X7
Phone: (800) 518-7901

You'll have to pay for a passport, court fees, flight/hotel expenses, rent-a-car fees, etc.
but the judge would most likely have him reimburse many of those costs in addition to your claim if you win the case.

The bragging rights alone to be able to say you sued Adam Dicker and won is priceless.

 

[umask077]

I agree Pug, but you have to look at the legal process. From what I've seen, a person that has lost a few hundred dollars will spend more in attorney fees to fight their loss. Is it worth it? I'm not sure but I'd say no.

I recently spent money on a site, the operator fell through, didn't cover hosting etc.. Did I sue him, not, waste of time and money.

A few hundred dollars? I've read about people claiming to have spent $3k, $7k... so it's not a few hundred dollars sir. That mentality of not doing anything and resigning yourself to not getting your money back is what keeps these type of guys "in business".

 

[AllieO]

Criminal - a person who has committed a crime.

The only way of knowing if someone has committed a crime is if he or she is convicted in a court of law. Personal opinion and mob rule has nothing to do with it, unlike in the Old West.

 

[D. Wells]

The only way of knowing if someone has committed a crime is if he or she is convicted in a court of law. Personal opinion and mob rule has nothing to do with it, unlike in the Old West.

Huh?

You are a criminal if you commit a crime. That has nothing to do with being convicted of a crime...

Anyhow, I'm done with this thread... Goodluck to the victims, I wish you guys the best...

Peace

 

[discobull]

The only way of knowing if someone has committed a crime is if he or she is convicted in a court of law.

So if someone pointed a gun at your head and asked you to hand over all your valuables, you wouldn't know for sure that a crime had been committed until that person had been arrested and convicted?

 

[Paul123]

Fair point discobull but regardless of the crime, everyone is entitled to due process and a fair trail.

Best,
Paul

 

[AllieO]

So if someone pointed a gun at your head and asked you to hand over all your valuables, you wouldn't know for sure that a crime had been committed until that person had been arrested and convicted?

Of course I would know (or believe I knew). But my personal knowledge or belief still wouldn't make the perpetrator guilty in the eyes of the law. Supposing it turned out that it was only my opinion it was a gun, and it was really an umbrella he was handing me? What if I thought he was asking me to hand over my valuables, but instead he was saying, "Here, you will find this valuable because it's going to bucket down in a few minutes." I might be partially deaf or blind, or even mentally deranged. He is entitled to his day in court. That way we can be sure that justice is done (hopefully).

 

[carob]

Of course I would know (or believe I knew). But my personal knowledge or belief still wouldn't make the perpetrator guilty in the eyes of the law. Supposing it turned out that it was only my opinion it was a gun, and it was really an umbrella he was handing me? What if I thought he was asking me to hand over my valuables, but instead he was saying, "Here, you will find this valuable because it's going to bucket down in a few minutes." I might be partially deaf or blind, or even mentally deranged. He is entitled to his day in court. That way we can be sure that justice is done (hopefully).

Would you report the crime to the police?

Would you hope to recover what you had lost?

Or would you start conversations with everyone about what words mean?

And what if the robber convinced you that without your valuables you could be much better off because he could offer you a magic recipe for getting massive payouts from insurance companies? And he showed you the awards he had received for doing just that?

 

[Domain Shane]

I just thought of one thing I forgot to ask.

Pug, where do you fit in to all this? Did you lose money? You haven't brought any new info but every couple days when I come back here it seems like you've set up a tent and never left. I'm sure more than me is curious and why you've dedicated your life to the cause.

 

[discobull]

Of course I would know. But my personal knowledge still wouldn't make the perpetrator guilty in the eyes of the law. Supposing it turned out that it was only my opinion it was a gun, and it was really an umbrella he was handing me? What if I thought he was asking me to hand over my valuables, but instead he was saying, "Here, you will find this valuable because it's going to bucket down in a few minutes." I might be partially deaf or blind, or even mentally deranged. He is entitled to his day in court. That way we can be sure that justice is done (hopefully).

I understand what you're saying, but yours is a somewhat extreme example of a misunderstanding and not really typical of what a jury would be hearing in a trial. There are certainly cases where a trial is necessary to determine if a crime happened. An example of that might be when a police officer shoots someone. In that case a court might be tasked with making the determination of whether the shooting was justified or whether it was a crime.

OTOH, there are plenty of situations where the question of whether or not a crime occurred is non-controversial. As examples, if an armed robbery takes place at a bank, or a mass shooting occurs at a movie theater, we don't need a trial to figure out that a crime happened. The only point of a trial in those cases is to determine the guilt or innocence of particular individuals.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that anyone should be denied due process. I'm just pushing back against the notion that trials are necessary to determine if a crime took place.

 

[Domain Truth]

No one has been denied due process. This is an internet forum where several people have posted their stories and others have weighed in with their opinions.

I would prefer that due process be started already if the victims would just file complaints with the FBI Internet Crime Center. I think Dicker would prefer more of this forum banter than the true due process involving the FBI etc. I've been pro due process from the beginning.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

.......I'm just pushing back against the notion that trials are necessary to determine if a crime took place.

I agree. I dont need a trial to figure out that I was being robbed. Using a gun or a umbrella or a toothpick or a keyboard - robbery is robbery.

EDITED, extraneous words were left in.

 

[DomainGist]

Pug, where do you fit in to all this? Did you lose money?

No, did you?

You haven't brought any new info

Really? Pretty sure I have. I broke the news that Adam Dicker had done away with one of his major web properties, had disabled his twitter, and was the one who dropped the link to his page of chargeback shaming. In addition I provided evidence that a vocal Adam Dicker supporter on this thread is associated to Adam Dicker. Furthermore I've explained the bank chargeback system and paypal dispute system which has seen at least one person start a dispute to get their money back, and provided a pretty decent analysis of DNF's falsified traffic and member statistics.

What new info have you brought? Oh I forgot, you have some but are choosing to withhold it.

but every couple days when I come back here it seems like you've set up a tent and never left. I'm sure more than me is curious and why you've dedicated your life to the cause.

Well twice I've attempted to leave this thread and the known associates of Adam Dicker have brought me straight back by tagging me multiple times, webinvestments in particular. It is also my business what I do with my time, not yours, both you and the other people you claim to be talking for can continue to be curious if you have any further questions.

The number of alleged victims on post #1 to send me a namepros PM to personally thank me for my contributions to this thread currently stands at 4 or 5.

 

[AllieO]

Would you report the crime to the police?

Would you hope to recover what you had lost?

Or would you start conversations with everyone about what words mean?

And what if the robber convinced you that without your valuables you could be much better off because he could offer you a magic recipe for getting massive payouts from insurance companies? And he showed you the awards he had received for doing just that?

I would naturally report what I believed to be a crime, and I would hope to recover what I had lost. I don't think I would have to "start conversations with everyone about what words mean," as the people to whom I was reporting my side of what had happened would presumably be professional enough to know that even if a crime had been committed the person I believed had committed it would still be entitled to a fair trial, whatever words were used by me or others.

AGAME, if you read my post again you will see that I wasn't saying a robbery with an umbrella or a toothpick is any less a crime, just that the person I believed was robbing me might actually have been trying to help me.

And yes, discobull, my example was rather extreme. But you seem to be saying that even if it's obvious an act is criminal, it's okay to label the person who carried it out a criminal. In fact, as you say yourself, a trial is necessary to determine this guilt.

As for "scrubbing," don't you think it possible for forum members to make important points that don't place them on one side or the other? Is justice in itself not important enough to stand up for? I thought that was at the heart of being a citizen of "the land of the free," which I don't happen to be myself.

 

[discobull]

But you seem to be saying that even if it's obvious an act is criminal, it's okay to label the person who carried it out a criminal.

I'm having a tough time figuring out what comment of mine you're alluding to since the only times in this thread where I recall speaking about Adam being branded a criminal, I know I made it very clear that I was opposed to it.

 

[DANEYAL]

I came here to count the views expecting it might have reached 150k, will try again later

 

[discobull]

The number of alleged victims on post #1 to send me a namepros PM to personally thank me for my contributions to this thread currently stands at 4 or 5.

Hey, I'm right on your heels! I'm currently just 4 or 5 thank you's behind you!

 

[Domain Shane]

Thanks Pug for the response. Since I don't know your real name I don't know if you've ever come up in conversations outside of the forum. There are a few people acting on behalf of clients merely because of their relationship with Adam. Wasn't sure if you were one of them. As long as you are helping one person that is all that matters

 

[ResoluteDomains]

AGAME, if you read my post again you will see that I wasn't saying a robbery with an umbrella or a toothpick is any less a crime, just that the person I believed was robbing me might actually have been trying to help me.

As for "scrubbing," don't you think it possible for forum members to make important points that don't place them on one side or the other? Is justice in itself not important enough to stand up for? I thought that was at the heart of being a citizen of "the land of the free," which I don't happen to be myself.

Stop sidetracking is what I am saying. Of course everyone deserves to be treated fairly. Everywhere, not just here. It might have been helpful for Adam to remember that.

 

[DomainGist]

Thanks Pug for the response. Since I don't know your real name I don't know if you've ever come up in conversations outside of the forum. There are a few people acting on behalf of clients merely because of their relationship with Adam. Wasn't sure if you were one of them. As long as you are helping one person that is all that matters

OK, sorry if I was harsh in my response, only I've had webinvestments and frank-germany continually question my motives for being here, and then tag me to death whenever I announce that I am done and unwatch the thread. They haven't let me leave.

Any time any of people on page #1 has contacted me and started to explain their stories I have told them to deal with Shane Bellone only, I'm only speaking my own mind on a public forum, I'm not interested in representing anybody and have never claimed to.

As for the bit in bold, you have no need to know my name, will never have heard of me, I don't want a public profile like you, but I am not hard to find I don't use domain privacy. I've just added you to linkedin to satisfy your curiosity, if that is all it was, that could easily be interpreted as a sly threat though - was it?

I'm beginning to wonder what side you are batting for if I'm honest.

 

[domainesque]

The only way of knowing if someone has committed a crime is if he or she is convicted in a court of law. Personal opinion and mob rule has nothing to do with it, unlike in the Old West.

There are enough witnesses and evidence to get a conviction. Also a prior.

 

[AllieO]

The only point of a trial in those cases is to determine the guilt or innocence of particular individuals.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that anyone should be denied due process. I'm just pushing back against the notion that trials are necessary to determine if a crime took place.

Well, if someone is found not guilty of a crime, has a crime actually been committed? It's an interesting point. And it really isn't just "words." What makes this part of the discussion relevant to the thread as a whole is the very title of the thread.

BTW, I do realise that you are not speaking against "due process." However, there seem to be others here who don't see the point of it, and I believe that is a dangerous position to take and one which more commonsensical individuals should speak out against.

 

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