Is Adam Dicker a criminal? You decide.

S-B · Oct 5, 2015

This story starts with DNF; a barren wasteland that once was a leading forum within the domain industry. While the forum itself played a huge role in propagating the myth that is Adam Dicker, the story really begins with DNF College in the summer of 2011.

Updates / Reports
These are in no particular order.

Report by headsupp (Resolved)
- Relevant Videos
- Reply to Adam
- Update: Resolved
Report by LannyB (Unresolved)
- Response
  - Follow-up Questions
Report by domainesque (Unresolved)
- Update: Unresolved
- Report Details
- Update: Waiting on Refund
Report of Shane Cultra's friends (Unresolved)
- Update: Unpaid
Report by Jeff Markus (Dissatisfied)
Report by simmplex (Resolved)
- Refunded
Report by Blenja_Man (Pending)
- Voucher
- Update: Work in Progress
Report by RandysDomains (Resolved)
- Resolved
Report by swamismith (Unresolved)
Report by Charlie (Unresolved)
- Cover-up
- Update: Unresolved
Report by Jaqpot (Unresolved)
Report by anon22339 (Unresolved)
- Details
Report by Joseph Peterson (Resolved)
- Update: Unpaid after 8 days
- Update: Paid
Report by Frank Schilling (Resolved)
- Update: Paid
Report by Lonewolf5503 (Paypal Dispute)
- Update: Website not delivered and no longer accessible
- Update: Lonewolf5503 wins PayPal dispute
Report by GermanRaven (Unresolved)
- Update: Full story
Report by ClaudeDauman (Unresolved)
Report by bobsranch (Unresolved)
- Details
- Update: Legal Letter Received
Report by Newby888 (Unresolved)
Report by dougasd (Unresolved)

From what I understand, Adam still owes north of $33,000 to previous customers and business partners. As I receive more information, I will update this figure.

discobull · Oct 20, 2015

AllieO said:
Well, if someone is found not guilty of a crime, has a crime actually been committed?

Of course. It sometimes happens that the wrong person is arrested and it also sometimes happens that there's a lack of evidence to convict the right person, but that has no bearing on the question of whether a crime was committed. For example, OJ Simpson was found not guilty for the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, but I'm sure you wouldn't argue that we can't have certainty about whether a crime occurred in that case.

mhdoc · Oct 20, 2015

There is no cheese.

It is clear many posters in this thread have no close personal experience with what goes on inside a business on the edge of failure.

Every struggling business has times when they didn't see any way to cover the bills & something unexpected happens and brings in money.

They have bills due today, a customer has said their payment is in the mail, so they write the checks & hope they can get a deposit to the bank fast enough. Lots of times it works out. In fact, bad things don't happen so many times you sort of come to expect things to work out.

Some "brave" souls have even been known to use money they withheld from their employees paychecks instead of sending it to the IRS like they should.

Taken by themselves these things are probably illegal. In the real world they apologize for bouncing a few checks, tell people to hold the check for another day or two, etc. Even the IRS will probably accept payments plus a penalty.

Early in this thread it was stated that Frank Schilling got paid $75,000. Later on there was a poster who said he was co-owner on two domains. Other posters wondered why that 75K couldn't have been used to pay the little guys.

My guess, and it is only a guess, since I have never had any dealings with Dicker, is that all his assets are encumbered in some way that prevents him from using them to best advantage.

For example, those two domains he apparently owns with another party. That person will NOT want to dump them for quick cash. They may not have the money to buy out Dickers position. They may see a chance to really put the screws to him in terms of price. Quick cash from hard money lenders is the most expensive kind there is. I suspect many of his alledged assests are tied up this way.

Now think about the situation with Schilling. What domain investor wouldn't be happy to partner with him? FS certainly knows what domains are worth. So it would have been easy for Dicker to assign his partial interest in some domains to FS without any cash being involved. (I am not suggesting that happened with the poster I mentioned. I point it out as an example of how things can be done.)

It can be very hard for an outside party like the courts to distinguish between business mistakes and fraud.

I once had a small rental car fleet with a partner. Things went bad and one night all the cars vanished. I had titles to all of them, but the police had zero interest in getting involved in what they saw as a partner dispute.

There is no cheese.

domainesque · Oct 20, 2015

Actually you are wrong...Plenty of cheese here and different layers of cheese. Your rental car situation is different.

BTW.. this isn't about a business "going south" at the end.

Dadster · Oct 20, 2015

Honestly, crime or no crime... If the posts are true it's highly irregular and completely wrong and unethical not to pay your employees, to continue to ignore their requests for payment; to advertise a product and not deliver what is advertised or not deliver at all. Don't need a crime to destroy ones reputation. When a person's word becomes irrelevant they lose all credibility.

Dadster · Oct 20, 2015

And the thing that's so hard to understand is why would someone who has taken years to build a reputation as honest and results driven do the things that have been listed in this thread that could destroy that reputation?

Gotta admit, I am scratching my head on this one.

forge · Oct 20, 2015

Shane Bellone said:
Yes. As I said, that makes 2.

Or did I forget how to count?

"Adam Dicker co-owns Rams.com with George Verdugo."

http://domaingang.com/domain-news/alligators-com-the-early-domainer-catches-the-proverbial-worm/

Errrm... now then doesn't that make three? Just sayin'. (And countin'.)

DomainGist · Oct 20, 2015

mhdoc said:
There is no cheese.

Early in this thread it was stated that Frank Schilling got paid $75,000. Later on there was a poster who said he was co-owner on two domains. Other posters wondered why that 75K couldn't have been used to pay the little guys.

Now think about the situation with Schilling. What domain investor wouldn't be happy to partner with him? FS certainly knows what domains are worth. So it would have been easy for Dicker to assign his partial interest in some domains to FS without any cash being involved. (I am not suggesting that happened with the poster I mentioned. I point it out as an example of how things can be done.)

I think you are getting confused, Adam Dicker owed Frank Schilling (or his business Uniregistry) a five figure sum and settled that debt. Nobody knows whether that was $10,000 or $99,999.

The $75000 that he put two domains up as collateral for was money he owed to somebody else entirely, that wasn't Frank Schilling, that was Emmet Stephenson.

mhdoc · Oct 21, 2015

Dadster said:
And the thing that's so hard to understand is why would someone who has taken years to build a reputation as honest and results driven do the things that have been listed in this thread that could destroy that reputation?

Gotta admit, I am scratching my head on this one.

It really sneaks up on you.

You start a business that is profitable and grows. You leverage up to take advantage of some attractive growth opportunities. That works well so you rinse and repeat a few times. Other people hear of your successes and want to participate, so you let them.

Then something happens. Sales slow down, the market changes, an employee steals money or fails to perform, etc. You compensate by stretching out your payables, taking low margin projects because you need the cash flow, borrowing against assets, etc.

At some point you hit a tipping point where you can't keep all the balls in the air any longer. One of your investors has a family emergency and needs their cash back. A loan you counted on gets delayed. You can't take care of customers who have already paid because you have to have the cash from new customers to keep the doors open.

At that point it really doesn't matter if you are honest, don't want to hurt people, and want to do the right thing. You can't do it! That's why we have bankruptcy instead of debtors prisons.

I have no knowledge of any actual facts in this particular situation. I do know that if I were a scam artist planning this sort of operation I would have made sure my family and remaining assets were hidden and protected in advance.

I may be wrong about this particular situation, but I still think there is no cheese

Dadster · Oct 21, 2015

you may be right mh, you may be right..

gustave · Oct 21, 2015

mhdoc said:
It really sneaks up on you.

You start a business that is profitable and grows. You leverage up to take advantage of some attractive growth opportunities. That works well so you rinse and repeat a few times. Other people hear of your successes and want to participate, so you let them.

Then something happens. Sales slow down, the market changes, an employee steals money or fails to perform, etc. You compensate by stretching out your payables, taking low margin projects because you need the cash flow, borrowing against assets, etc.

At some point you hit a tipping point where you can't keep all the balls in the air any longer. One of your investors has a family emergency and needs their cash back. A loan you counted on gets delayed. You can't take care of customers who have already paid because you have to have the cash from new customers to keep the doors open.

At that point it really doesn't matter if you are honest, don't want to hurt people, and want to do the right thing. You can't do it! That's why we have bankruptcy instead of debtors prisons.

I have no knowledge of any actual facts in this particular situation. I do know that if I were a scam artist planning this sort of operation I would have made sure my family and remaining assets were hidden and protected in advance.

I may be wrong about this particular situation, but I still think there is no cheese

If you'd knew a little about web development you would understand that charging 3000$ for a 50$ unmodified wordpress template and stolen articles is cheesy. Did you read the thread? There is all kind and flavors of cheese in it.

mhdoc · Oct 21, 2015

Well, I built my first site in 1998

The cheese I am talking about is the cash all those hopeful posters think they are going to get returned to them via legal action his good will.

umask077 · Oct 21, 2015

gustave said:
If you'd knew a little about web development you would understand that charging 3000$ for a 50$ unmodified wordpress template and stolen articles is cheesy. Did you read the thread? There is all kind and flavors of cheese in it.

And that's the best case scenario with Adam Dicker. Most of the times he took the money from clients and never deliver anything. This thread is full of people still waiting after 1 year for that multimillion dollar website... I know the answer to the million dollar question giving title to this post but I'm gonna keep it to myself.

mad409 · Oct 21, 2015

umask077 said:
That mentality of not doing anything and resigning yourself to not getting your money back is what keeps these type of guys "in business".

I didn't say they shouldn't try to get it back but obviously you've never hired an attorney and filed a lawsuit. I have and 3K to 7k isn't worth hiring an attorney but rather going to small claims court and representing yourself.

BigBoyDog · Oct 21, 2015

Man calling someone a Criminal is pretty serious!! Without Being Convicted! Very Dangerous!!!

Reality · Oct 21, 2015

BigBoyDog said:
Man calling someone a Criminal is pretty serious!! Without Being Convicted! Very Dangerous!!!

No one is going to take you seriously after being outed as a liar in such a hilarious way. Besides, at this point the last thing Adam Dicker needs is to be associated with someone that the community now sees as a liar.

If I were you, I'd worry less about what other people are doing and focus on how you're going to protect the assets you share with Dicker if this gets worse, which is the direction this appears to be heading. If he is forced into bankruptcy or is trading insolvent and court-liquidated, the receiver won't care what you co-own, you'll just be another creditor who gets paid at the end of the fire sale. I'd suggest you focus your energy on getting legal advice on how to separate yourself from Adam.

forge · Oct 21, 2015

/\ Smart suggestion, also to protect his valuable assets, if that's even possible at this point.

I'd be hugely concerned and acting quickly.

forge · Oct 21, 2015

If anything, there's bound to be a ring of fire around someone's posterior for some days to come.

carob · Oct 21, 2015

Well we all know Adam Dicker has trouble with numbers, poor guy. In this thread we have discovered the overstated DNF membership figures used to sell advertising, mailshots, and memberships, and countless promised $xxxx installs of stock Wordpress with $xxxx site income expectations, and the claimed 500,000 sales training sessions, and the 129 claimed corporate clients pasted into Adam's site from someone else's site, and more...

But now we have discovered the issue of co-ownership of Adam's domain names. Suppose he quietly sold half of a name to someone but of course with a gentlemanly NDA. Perhaps he then sold half that domain to someone else, also with an NDA. And again. And again. And if he were in trouble, he could discretely call on all those part-owners to protect his reputation so they would not be forced to sell at a panic price. But if the domain were to sell suddenly all those half owners would be discovered and have to argue with one another.

But if the domain were confiscated no one would.know...

Brilliant scam, someone could get that from the film The Producers. Maybe they'll make a film about Adam Dicker. He's famous - he's now on http://scamful.com

Jeff Markus · Oct 21, 2015

BigBoyDog said:
Man calling someone a Criminal is pretty serious!! Without Being Convicted! Very Dangerous!!!

I thought after Shane pulled your pants down you'd have stayed away for good but your back lol

Is Adam Dicker a criminal? Well we don't know. We know he was charged... So why don't you ask him if he was convicted.

http://www.broadcastermagazine.com/news/satellite-piracy-charges-laid-against-23/1000009029/?&er=NA

http://www.satellitetoday.com/uncategorized/2003/06/13/mounties-get-their-satellite-pirates/

Reality · Oct 21, 2015

headsupp said:
Adam sold ejuicerefill.com just on October 18th. Hope that everyones needs for a refund.

He didn't sell ejuicerefill.com, it expired. I wouldn't get my hopes up for refunds when he can't pay $9 for a renewal.

umask077 · Oct 21, 2015

mad409 said:
I didn't say they shouldn't try to get it back but obviously you've never hired an attorney and filed a lawsuit. I have and 3K to 7k isn't worth hiring an attorney but rather going to small claims court and representing yourself.

If you had read any of my posts you would know that I've NEVER suggested anyone to take individual legal actions. A class action lawsuit is the way to go in this particular case... And yes, I've filled a couple of lawsuits in the past and never lost a single one so I know pretty well what I'm talking about.

Derick R. · Oct 21, 2015

"Domain Consultong Group has Responded in your Paypal Claim" Just now On day 4 After filing chargeback.
"WebCorp" And "DNF" were on original receipt of purchase. Now its "Domain Consulting Group LLC"
I'll post more information as it pans out.

GermanRaven · Oct 21, 2015

@LoneWolf, what does it mean that they have "responded" ...?

daj · Oct 21, 2015

dordomai · Oct 21, 2015

Adam Dicker use to own RemoveMugshots.com which he used to ruin people's reputation and extort money out of them. He also owns ReputationRepair.com and claims it has been around since 2002 but the domain was only created in 2012 and he also uses fake client testimonials on that site as well.

I am not entirely sure but i think the way the business was run was that they wouldn't upload mugshot images themselves but they would remove them from sites like mugshots.com . They referred to themselves a vendors of mugshots.com as far as i remember.

Can't say for sure though since there is no archived copy available. So in case this isn't correct i stand corrected.

Is Adam Dicker a criminal? You decide.

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