.tv Warning: .TV domains are sinking

[Domain Jedi]

"People trying to register .tv domain names are being warned that the island of Tuvalu, which the domain represents, is sinking.

Domain registrar GoDaddy is even claiming that, because the Pacific Ocean island could go the way of Atlantis, users should opt for .com or .net domains instead.

As a result of global warming Tuvalu - which at it's peak is just 5m above sea-level - could disappear, and if it ceases to exist so will .tv domains."

http://newslite.tv/2009/05/01/warning-tv-domains-are-sinking.html

 

[joned]

I am saying even their service to .tv holders is now lacking

I changed DNS (at Godaddy) on a .com, a .tv, and a .cc yesterday. The .com changed almost instantly. The .cc changed after a few hours, but seems to have now changed back (getting a Godaddy parking page). The .tv hasn't changed at all. So maybe it's not just TVs, perhaps a problem with one of their DNS servers?

HTH

Cheers, Jon

 

[vincenzo]

.tv's and .me's have in a way the same target

How so??

- Vince

 

[Makis.TV]

How so??

- Vince

well, .me's are advertised as the personal cctld
while .tv's two yrs ago was promoted by Demand Media and their social platform for the same reason(in fact they advertised .tv and their platform as a new myspace)

Demand Media Launches ChannelME.TV to Give Users Power to Become Masters of their Own Social Media Domains | Demand Media

Demand Media, Inc., the next-generation web media company, introduced on .TV Domain Names | ChannelME.TV the first integrated suite of proprietary social media tools that allows anyone to own, program, and share his or her own personal video-centric website with social networking features completely controlled by them. These tools will be provided free with the purchase of a .TV domain name at .TV Domain Names | ChannelME.TV or through an eNom reseller. eNom, a Demand Media company, is one of the largest domain registrars in the world and hosts the ChannelME.TV network.

 

[Blastoff]

People will buy anything if you package it right.

.ME does NOT have the same value, it doesn't even deserve a second look.

Why?

The "TV" symbol has been ingrained into our(WORLD) society for over 85-90 years! It's synonymous with video or recorded moving images show on a screen.

I'm betting .ME won't even be fad.

 

[snoop]

I would imagine Godaddy's .tv registration rate will drop, they taking it to a new level compared to what they were doing previously. With Godaddy being the world's biggest registrar by a very large margin this will impact the market.

It is probably erroneous to think that if Tuvalu sinks .tv will automatically survive, I'm sure if it does happen the issue will get a lot of debate. I'm not saying it would go either way or that it will happen any time soon but I'd consider the sinking issue a genuine risk in the market, some people will be wary of the extension because of it.

Regarding .su it was pointed out that Icann has had discussion about phasing out such extensions, I was surprised to see this,

ICANN | Discussion Paper on Retiring Country Code Top-Level Domains

So, for those in London and New York, think what that extra five metres in sea level could do to your city.

And then consider the idiotic words you hear about Tuvalu.

The issue is that Tuvalu's highest elevation is 4.5 metres, the world's second lowest, plus it also has tidal issues which makes it the country most likely to get wiped out by global warming.

 

[freedom30]

It is probably erroneous to think that if Tuvalu sinks .tv will automatically survive, I'm sure if it does happen the issue will get a lot of debate. I'm not saying it would go either way or that it will happen any time soon but I'd consider the sinking issue a genuine risk in the market, some people will be wary of the extension because of it.

On the other hand it is also erroneous to presume that .tv won't automatically survive, seeing that there may be more advantages than disadvantages to maintaining an extension with a relevant and solid name as TV.

I would not know who would debate the issue outside of a few with agendas of their own. I harbor no doubt that you may be one of those yourself, but that's neither here nor there. The fact remains that it is a sound extension and has relevance to the internet-mobile-hdtv triad.

But time will tell either way. I just put my chips on the 21st century.

 

[.tv]

Snoop,
The .tv forum is open to free speech, which doesn't mean anyone to troll on hypothetical issues.

Besides GoDaddy & their resellers, can you mention the name of any other registrars who inform their buyers to not to register .TV names?

GoDaddy is trying to push .ME, and now started trolling about .TV.

 

[snoop]

On the other hand it is also erroneous to presume that .tv won't automatically survive, seeing that there may be more advantages than disadvantages to maintaining an extension with a relevant and solid name as TV.

Like I said I'm not saying .tv won't be carried over because I think it would, but I think it would go up for debate first. The island sinking is a risk in my view.

Snoop,
The .tv forum is open to free speech, which doesn't mean anyone to troll on hypothetical issues.

Can you explain why you think my post is trolling?

Besides GoDaddy & their resellers, can you mention the name of any other registrars who inform their buyers to not to register .TV names?

GoDaddy is trying to push .ME, and now started trolling about .TV.

No other registrar is, though I never claimed otherwise. The thing is Godaddy is the largest registrar in the world, by a huge margin, it will have an impact.

Note the graph below,

RegistrarSTATS.com - Registrar and Domain name statistics

They 4 times the size of the nearest competitor including Wild West.

 

[.tv]

Like I said I'm not saying .tv won't be carried over because I think it would, but I think it would go up for debate first. The island sinking is a risk in my view.



Can you explain why you think my post is trolling?



No other registrar is, though I never claimed otherwise. The thing is Godaddy is the largest registrar in the world, by a huge margin, it will have an impact.

Note the graph below,

RegistrarSTATS.com - Registrar and Domain name statistics

They 4 times the size of the nearest competitor including Wild West.

GoDaddy is not the deciding authority for the future of .TV names. Arguing about the future of .TV CCTLD without having any notable evidences from the registry (Verisign) or from ICANN is nothing but trolling.

ICANN or the .TV registry have not released any PR on this issue yet.

 

[snoop]

GoDaddy is not the deciding factor for the future of .TV names. Arguing about the future of .TV CCTLD without having any notable evidences from the registry (Verisign) or from ICANN is nothing but trolling.

ICANN or the .TV registry have not released any PR on this issue yet.

I did not say Godaddy is the "deciding factor", I said they have a large degree market power being easily the largest registrar. An argument that Godaddy's statement on the registration page has no effect on the market is wishful thinking in my view. Some people will be put off by it.

As far as Verisign goes they are already talking about the issue, not sure what evidence you expect?

"VeriSign spokesman Tom Galvin tells me that a defunct country's Internet domain lives on. For instance, you can still find addresses on .su — the domain for the Soviet Union.

Anyway, as Galvin points out, Tuvalu would not necessarily cease to exist. "

 

[.tv]

I did not say Godaddy is the "deciding factor", I said they have a large degree market power being easily the largest registrar. An argument that Godaddy's statement on the registration page has no effect on the market is wishful thinking in my view. Some people will be put off by it.

As far as Verisign goes they are already talking about the issue, not sure what evidence you expect?

"VeriSign spokesman Tom Galvin tells me that a defunct country's Internet domain lives on. For instance, you can still find addresses on .su — the domain for the Soviet Union.

Anyway, as Galvin points out, Tuvalu would not necessarily cease to exist. "

The article you specified was posted on USAToday. Ray has poted that article here in this thread for reference. That article has no information about the decommissioning of .TV CCTLD.

As there is no official PR form ICANN or Verisign on this issue till date, it is well evident that .TV is not going anywhere.

 

[Domain Jedi]

The "TV" symbol has been ingrained into our(WORLD) society for over 85-90 years!

Well said. "TV" surpasses language barriers!!

 

[shaper]

Tv is extremely valuable as a marketing concept. Its very well positioned to withstand the onslaught of new extensions. It is also going to look very good on television menus when that time comes. Tv has many significant advantages over other extensions.

Tv is more than an island.

 

[vincenzo]

Tv is more than an island.

I love that.
Can we nominate it as .TV quote of the year?! :kickass:

- Vince

 

[TheBulldog]

I just read an article that the 3M corporation is going to retool certain plants to concentrate on making the face masks so widely used in the latest swine flu epidemic. One of the plants that is being retooled is the hairnet plant. Does that mean .net will all get taken away?

 

[poiuytrewq]

Well, I have very little involvement in domains these days. It used to be a hobby but I got extremely bored and decided to take photos instead. Much more productive and peaceful. Still have about 20 very good TVs though, so I take a cursory interest. Regardless of the godaddy thing and the geological problems of the island, it certainly does seem to me that TV is sunk. I see very little interest whatsoever outside of this forum. I am seeing .tv being used, especially here in the uk, but I see no great body of sales.

But then interest in domains in general seems to be on the wane given the drop values. You can now pick up a nice one word .com very reasonably judging by DNJ sales charts.

Just my 2c worth. I ain't a pro like you guys.

 

[wot]

But really, the island aint going to sink anyway.

That's correct - it is the sea level that is rising. :tri:

 

[shaper]

Actually Tuvalu is not an island, but rather an island nation which is a series of atolls. The last of these isn't expected to submerge for about 100 years.

Currently the islanders have been moving inland to higher ground, building their houses on stilts and making other accomodations.

The Tuvalu government has stated its official position, which is that Tuvalu will continue to exist regardless of whether it is currently above ground or below the water line. Regardless of the elevation they are planning to retain claim to the land and its geographic coordinates.

New Zealand appears to have offered grounds in the event of an evacuation. Whether that would place the Tuvalu government in exile or in another political status is unknown.

A significant amount of Tuvalus revenue is generated from the extension itself, so there are strong political advantages to maintaining their claim of sovereignity, even if it becomes a virtual state for practical purposes. At any rate there should be some land above ground for the imminent future, so its a while until this drama unfolds.

 

[hullswingerscom]

cursory interest only,thanks to godaddy it not a level playing field for me.

 

[gr8trfoo]

That's correct - it is the sea level that is rising. :tri:

PRECISELY!

And if global climate change does finally result in the catastrophic rise in sea levels sufficient to submerge Tuvalu we are all going to have a helluva lot more trouble on our hands than whatever will become of the .tv TLD. Ultimately the continued survival of our species will be the prevailing issue.

For starters a rise of just a few meters will cause the displacement of over a billion people. You can count on a great likelyhood of riots and genocide thruout the globe as this unfolds. But if we havnt already taken measurable steps to undue the damage we've caused then we can count on the situation rapidly deteriorating from there.

I belive that this is exactly why you never hear the term "Generation Z" bandied about very much despite its being the next logical step in the sequence of "Gen X" and then "Gen Y". Psychologically it simply cuts to close the bone. We dont really want to, cant really admit it that we may in fact be the last generation of human beings to exist here and that our time in this form is rapidly coming to close.

Personally I belive that the singularity will take place well before these events and that organic machine intelligence will achieve a sentience far beyond the the ability of humanity to even begin to comprehend. Like Perry Farrel once crooned..."we'll make great pets".

Nothing short of smashing all the computers and shutting down the Internet will stop this from occuring. Perhaps a giant space rock will bear down at the penultimate moment and that will be the end. Barring some apocoleptic cataclysm I dont know if the New Ones will actually care enought to save our bacon or not but I do know they are coming. I'm now as certain of this as I am of my own existence.


Meanwhile dont worry about .tv. As it all plays out there will be a vigorous defense of the TLD. If it all went down right now, today, it might not make it, but give it a just a few more years along with the adoption by a solid block of commercial media concerns around the world (or possibly a more likely scenario: the growth of early adopters into global media concerns in their own right ;> ) and you can be fairly certain that even if the masters of the TLD change in a game of geopolitical musical chairs the domain itself will remain in the root without a significant loss of service for any registrant.

 

[mjnels]

Snoop,
The .tv forum is open to free speech, which doesn't mean anyone to troll on hypothetical issues.

i know this is an older thread - but i think you may need to look up the definition of trolling. while i may not agree with snoop all the time i think he is pretty much always genuine.

This is about ... the tiny island of Tuvalu, correct? :blink:

Regarding the ".TV" extension (which is actually the ccTLD of Tuvalu - not actually, in its proper form, for "Television"), I would generally advise select and limiting these investments to only those generic/keyword & Geo's that could be developable - and, of course, taking in to account the sometimes very hefty .TV renewal fees, IMHO. :gl:

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

now, THIS post ^ ^ is trolling.

 

[Jeff]

Back on topic ... :talk:

I wholeheartedly concur with the philosophy that if some occurrence led to the re-classification of the ".TV" extension as a responsible gTLD rather than a rather desperate ccTLD (as is presently the case with the teeny isle of Tuvalu) ... that may be the best thing for its long-term acceptance, mass adoption, and believeable & effective marketing (complemented, of course, with a (new) Registry's abolishment of hefty annual renewal fees for its premium domains - which, in turn, must be developed)! :yell: :imho:

Regards,
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

like i was saying.. ^ textbook example.

 

[mulligan]

The island sinking is a risk in my view.

Sinking? You sure on that?

 

[stutter]

like i was saying.. ^ textbook example.

I agree totally.