.mobi I am making serious money with my .mobi's

shockie said:

2) there will always be a pc site to begin with, otherwise, he should get the pc version

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there's no need to mislead everyone by only quoting the first part of the sentence.

feel free to take your time. i don't mind waiting a few days for a legitimate counter-argument. thanks.

scandiman said:

Who says? To paraphrase your own comment, just because you believe something doesn't make it real.

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because the size of fingers and pockets will not change significantly

because there are more markets, not only one

shockie said:

1) my point is, .mobi isn't the way to cash in on the success that the mobile internet will have, just like how .asia isn't the way to cash in on the success that asia will have. so, even if his claims were true, it would mostly be luck (even moreso than the extension itself if you read his earlier posts).

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I'm getting the same amount of revenue per customer for my .mobi as 2 .com sites that are doing something similar as my concept. These .coms are premium names.:wave:

.mobi is the key, i could not generate this kind of business using any other extention. (excluding .com)

shockie said:

2) there will always be a pc site to begin with, otherwise, he should get the pc version (.com for example) and do the redirects (m.domainname.com). as for your specific example, i would think that it would be a better idea to get a two/three word .com and create a pc and mobile version. companies that have a pc-only version of their site get criticized for being shortsighted and not having a mobile-friendly one, so you can imagine how... "odd" it would be to have only a mobile-friendly site and not a desktop-friendly one.

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The .com versions would cost me a fortune.

i don't know. i'd still think that a longer term play would be to have desktop and mobile versions, so a less-premium .com with a m. redirect would be better than a .mobi only... unless you'd want to do a d. redirect? now that would be different.

noonoo1 said:

The .com versions would cost me a fortune.

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the best solution in most cases is to redirect the existing domain.xyz automatically to m.domain.xyz

it works for any country (tld) and the consumer/customer does not have to remember anything


you already have your domain and it cost you as much as you could afford
or as quick as you were (and you paid only the reg. fee)
or as much fantasy as you had (and you paid only the reg. fee)

not more

shockie said:

shockie said:

2) there will always be a pc site to begin with, otherwise, he should get the pc version

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there's no need to mislead everyone by only quoting the first part of the sentence.

feel free to take your time. i don't mind waiting a few days for a legitimate counter-argument. thanks.

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Deflect all you want but there's nothing misleading about my partial quote of your earlier comment, the addition you feel is so important to be included makes no difference. Again using my own example, Lodging.mobi did not have a PC site to begin with, nor is Lodging.com available, yet regardless the Lodging.mobi site is completely viable as it was designed, a hotel booking website for mobile users.

shockie said:

i don't know. i'd still think that a longer term play would be to have desktop and mobile versions, so a less-premium .com with a m. redirect would be better than a .mobi only... unless you'd want to do a d. redirect? now that would be different.

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Do you have any experience in the mobile market to back up your opinion here? Perhaps even one site designed to service mobile users you can point us to?

dombastic said:

the best solution in most cases is to redirect the existing domain.xyz automatically to m.domain.xyz

it works for any country (tld) and the consumer/customer does not have to remember anything

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exactly right. the germans will type in domain.de into their mobile browsers and be automatically redirected to m.domain.de, the japanese from domain.jp to m.domain.jp, etc.

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scandiman said:

Deflect all you want but there's nothing misleading about my partial quote of your earlier comment, the addition you feel is so important to be included makes no difference.

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the word otherwise is not important?

i might as well change the word "nothing" to "something" in this latest reply of yours and say that it also "makes no difference."

keithmt said:

You mean something like God whom millions if not billions believe in???

It does'nt necessarily have to be seen to exist...unless all those religious types are
wasting their time and hard earned money!

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They are.

scandiman said:

shockie said:

i don't know. i'd still think that a longer term play would be to have desktop and mobile versions, so a less-premium .com with a m. redirect would be better than a .mobi only... unless you'd want to do a d. redirect? now that would be different.

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Do you have any experience in the mobile market to back up your opinion here? Perhaps even one site designed to service mobile users you can point us to?

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bumping my question for shockie that was conveniently avoided.

scandiman said:

bumping my question for shockie that was conveniently avoided.

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not any that i will point you to. i do have several sites that rank under mobile browsers though, and i can tell you that these are due to keeping the equity of the desktop versions. in fact, i have some desktop-only sites that rank under mobile browsing that aren't .mobi.

as for mobile browsing, i'd prefer typing in my local gtld or friendly extension that i'm used to from desktop browsing. furthermore,

if you're in france and you go to genericword.fr on a smartphone, then you should get redirected to m.genericword.fr. the same goes for the other countries, etc.

there is absolutely no good reason for .mobi, and in fact, m.keywords.(com/de/fr/etc) are far better solutions.

m.keywords.de > de.keywords.mobi

1) people will type in keywords.de. redirects take care of the rest.
2) wtf is a .mobi and why is all the equity in the keywords.de domain being neglected because of this .mobi garbage?

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i'll take your deflection and avoidance of my previous post to suggest that you agree that the word "otherwise" is rather significant, and that you will stop misleading others by... "selectively" partially quoting other members.

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now let's see if you'll deflect and avoid these questions. i've grouped them to make it faster to answer.:

1) what experience do you have in web dev / seo?

2a) do you think people in china will go to domain.cn or domain.asia?
2b) do you think people in japan will go to domain.jp or domain.asia?
2c) do you think people in taiwan will go to domain.tw or domain.asia?

3) do you think people will use a new extension, when a trusted established one already exists and works better?

mobile internet - developers

4) which is better for developing a mobile site, newrandom.mobi or m.alreadyvaluable.com? (you can skip this question if you don't have much experience with web dev / seo).

mobile internet - users

5) do you think germans would prefer going to trustedsite.de and get redirected to a mobile version of their trustedsite.de (m.trustedsite.de), or need to type in a completely new domain (willtheyremember.mobi) simply because they are on another device?

the questions are a bit wordy, but your answers don't need to be. just answer the questions and it's all good. thanks in advance. :blink:

shockie said:

so a less-premium .com with a m. redirect would be better than a .mobi only.

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It has to be a premium .mobi, that is another important part of the concept.

shockie said:

i'll take your deflection and avoidance of my previous post to suggest that you agree that the word "otherwise" is rather significant, and that you will stop misleading others by... "selectively" partially quoting other members.

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Dude, get a grip, "otherwise" is irrelevant because my point is the same either way.

shockie said:

there will always be a pc site to begin with, otherwise, he should get the pc version

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Happy? So allow me to repeat myself regarding your comment... ---> Who says?

See, my point is exactly the same, your PC-centric viewpoint isn't shared by all. To again paraphrase your own comment, just because you believe something doesn't make it real. The mobile web doesn't orbit around PC's, it's about mobile devices...get it? Class dismissed.

Can mobile platforms function/survive without the standard web/pcs/google ?

scandiman said:

[i deflect and avoid direct questions, even though other (less cowardly) members answer my direct questions.]

The mobile web doesn't orbit around PC's, it's about mobile devices...get it? Class dismissed.

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i get it. .mobi's are for mobile only and that's kick_ss because desktops don't rule the world...

but,​

the .mobi extension is not only unnecessary, but it is unfavorable for developing a mobile website (even if it's only for mobile browsing), as compared to a m.domain.com/net/org/de/etc.


*special note to scandiman: don't forget to quote the "(even if it's only for mobile browsing)" because i have a little feeling inside that you'll conveniently avoid that part and deflect back to your recurring circle of ".mobi is for mobile only, that's why it's the best... even though it actually isn't the best... oops, let's overlook that part though."

shockie said:

2) there will always be a pc site to begin with

scandiman said:

Who says? To paraphrase your own comment, just because you believe something doesn't make it real.

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It's common business sense that you should own the "pc domain" of your .mobi. There are some exceptions, but these are tiny projects usually produced by tiny people.

There is a very strong possibility that the starter of this thread is working in online porn and using a "Porn that works on your mobile phone because we use .mobi" sales pitch. That would be why he believes it wouldn't work as well from .com.

scandiman said:

Lodging.mobi did not have a PC site to begin with, nor is Lodging.com available, yet regardless the Lodging.mobi site is completely viable as it was designed, a hotel booking website for mobile users.

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Wonderful. A hotel company bought lodging.mobi and developed it without owning the .com and had a great deal of success. Oh wait.... you own lodging.mobi, and it's 404. Nice try.

Obviously people like you are trying to psyche yourself into believing that .mobi is going to operate alongside .com and not compete with .com and that you'll get a million bucks for lodging.mobi one day.

Keep dreaming.

My estimate would be that >90% of Internet users still believe .org used only by organizations and that aside from CNO, their ccTLD and maybe .info, they haven't a clue what else is out there.

We've had this same discussion a hundred times already but I'll repeat what has already been said one hundred times before.

m.gooddomain.com > gooddomain.mobi -- that much is obvious. People choose .mobi because: a) they can't afford the .com or find any reasonably priced, suitable alternative (eg. a business with 3 partners may want an LLL.com, however that'll set them back at least $3500 no matter what their names or how they arrange them)
b) the .com, .net, etc aren't for sale
c) they're a company like BMW or Intel who likes to buy their domains in multiple extensions
d) they have no plan to ever be anything but mobile and believe .mobi is a good extension to indicate that -- even if the general public hasn't a clue mobi=mobile.

If someone is developing their domain, as any webmaster will tell you, it makes very little difference what extension you go with. You might bleed 5-10% to the .com but if that saves you 100k that can be put towards development, .mobi (or any cheap extension for that matter) may be a better fit. Quite frankly, I think .net and .org are massively overrated and would much rather go with a ccTLD for something local or an extension like .mobi for development if the .com's price was more than I (or the development project) could afford. As it stands, I don't unfortunately have time to do any developing, so I let my .mobis that I wanted to develop drop -- no money in this extension speculating unless you're one of the handful of domainers that have mastered that art (and most were smart enough to cash out their winnings long ago).

DubDubDubDot said:

Wonderful. A hotel company bought lodging.mobi and developed it without owning the .com and had a great deal of success. Oh wait.... you own lodging.mobi, and it's 404. Nice try.

Obviously people like you are trying to psyche yourself into believing that .mobi is going to operate alongside .com and not compete with .com and that you'll get a million bucks for lodging.mobi one day.

Keep dreaming.

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Dude, perhaps you've never had this issue before but it's called a server problem.

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shockie said:

the .mobi extension is not only unnecessary, but it is unfavorable for developing a mobile website (even if it's only for mobile browsing), as compared to a m.domain.com/net/org/de/etc.

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Yes, you continue to state your opinion, the larger font doesn't make it a fact.

shockie said:

get it? (yes/no/too cowardly to answer this question too)​

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:lol: What does .asia have to do with this discussion?

shockie said:

*special note to scandiman: don't forget to quote the "(even if it's only for mobile browsing)" because i have a little feeling inside that you'll conveniently avoid that part and deflect back to your recurring circle of ".mobi is for mobile only, that's why it's the best... even though it actually isn't the best... oops, let's overlook that part though."

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Can you please direct me to where I say, ".mobi is for mobile only, that's why it's best"?

shockie said:

2) there will always be a pc site to begin with, otherwise, he should get the pc version (.com for example) and do the redirects (m.domainname.com). as for your specific example, i would think that it would be a better idea to get a two/three word .com and create a pc and mobile version. companies that have a pc-only version of their site get criticized for being shortsighted and not having a mobile-friendly one, so you can imagine how... "odd" it would be to have only a mobile-friendly site and not a desktop-friendly one.

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'Odd' until you understand that the mobile web will be substantially larger than the pc formatted web, way more users. So mobile is not a niche. One day the mobile version of any given site will be the main site.

Saying a premium .mobi is worse than a 2 or 3 word .com is pure speculation, you don't know how the SE's will rank .mobi. There is evidence out there that suggest it will rank mobi favorably when a term is searched from a mobile phone-
.mobi Search Engine Performance | dotMobi

And remember google etc done give a @#$% about domainers preferences and valuations, they want to deliver the most pertinent content. Geographic region is a factor in this. So welcome to the new country called 'mobile' and its TLD .mobi

-REECE- said:

You might bleed 5-10% to the .com but if that saves you 100k that can be put towards development, .mobi (or any cheap extension for that matter) may be a better fit.

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:bingo: Orbitz isn't selling Lodging.com anytime soon so we're quite happy to be working with Lodging.mobi to sell hotel rooms to mobile web users. Income is income. Dollars earned from .mobi websites is just as green as .com's.