question What's the value of LLLL.com?

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What are the key INDICATORS of value in non-acronym abbreviation LLLL .com names? (randomly selected kkdh.com iwqp.com pqwm.com zxlp.com). I see wildly differing prices some starting only $ 99 on Namepros auctions and https://shortnames.com/llll on up to five digits sales https://namebio.com/. I'm a newbie so please withstand the urge to scold basic questions. I'm interested in adding some LLLL .com names to my portfolio but needs to be careful because even $ 99 is a lot of money to me right now. Cheers.

 

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@biggie "any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one. if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150, i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie." You are right about that mate. I'm that new domainer year X fresh out the pet shop. Later this summer plan is to buy at least one LLLL .com. $ 250 is my ceiling. Then plan to sell for $ 500. Buy one $ 500 and sell $ 1000. This would be a successful end to 2021.

 

[Exposer]

While no one is expecting all 5 letter or 6 letter domains having some definitive values, for some reason people expect 4Ls to have those and also fit some kind of formula.

While there are some general rules of thumb, each domain is unique and specific.

Unless you really understand what makes a specific 4L valuable, it is advisable to stay away from buying it. You might collect 100 4Ls each at $200 average cost and might struggle to sell even one at $3000 in a year.

Each 4L name has to be rigorously analyzed on its own merit, just like you'd do for 5L, 6L etc.

I firmly believe that while there are no hand regs for 4Ls since 2007, lots of them are not even investment grade and a good brandable hand reg could have better chance of selling at a similar price.

For domain names you have a unwritten law:
SHORTER BETTER = BETTER CHANCE TO SELL but there is a clue behind that , f.e.: LY1Q.com you cannot sell. THE 4L must be chatchy and a shortage of name or product. Same rule for 5L and +.
There a a lot of private collectors / investors at the market which waits to catch a fancy name and you have anonym buyer which buys in the name of big marketing agencys. Domain trading and earnings out of it, depends definetely of your creativity and to buy dropped domain names at in the right time.

 

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Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany

 

[Recons.Com]

Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany

Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

 

[alop]

Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

A 4L domain is limited..it can be an abbreviation, if you are lucky it may be pronounceable or even a word ...

For someone to exclude a letter from a 4 letter domain is funny to me

 

[Zilla]

What are the key INDICATORS of value in non-acronym abbreviation LLLL .com names? (randomly selected kkdh.com iwqp.com pqwm.com zxlp.com)..

the example here, kkdh, pqwm, zxlp called CHIP....which we buy/sell at much higher price than $99....

 

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@Recons.Com You're right. I made a mistake.

 

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@Zilla Thanks mate. I found an old thread by @DN.com about CHIP names https://www.namepros.com/threads/how-to-identify-premium-llll-com-domains.921152/.

"The CHIPs. I believe many of you have already heard this term before. The CHIPs is short for Chinese Initial Pinyin domain names, which refer to the letters except A, E, I,O, U, V. Usually it is hard to find a proper meaning for a domain name combined with four non-CHIP letters. Therefore, there forms a big gap in price between CHIPs and non-CHIPs LLLL.com domain names."

 

[Samer]

Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.

Not in America.
In America, i place that letter premium.

Dont care “Chinese” Kool-Aid premium rules.
Oh idk “Chinese premium” barely value...
This is the WEST. Which reminds me...
doesnt mean “Western premium” much better, but i read somewhere “Western premium” are more likely to be acronyms for West company — and vice versa for Chinese (idk about Sorry)
The current CVCV.com wow, automatic,
“Universal pronounceable” cvcv go for most lol

Old, but timeless DomainSherpa LLLL.com link
https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/llll/

 

[Samer]

Further good info reading on llll “Premiums”

https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/premium-letters/

 

[.X.]

There are a lot of people who hold LLLL.com … I still have the original 212 that I hand registered between 2007 and 2008 .. I have bought over 100 in aftermarket as well that I have sold off ..

the trend of the Chinese premium was quite remarkable … many many people here made a lot of money during the LLLL trend .

right now … there is a lot of selling continuing and keeping pricing low .. once the mass selling stops … they will go up substantially in value . IMO

 

[Recons.Com]

Not in America.
In America, i place that letter premium.

Dont care “Chinese” Kool-Aid premium rules.
Oh idk “Chinese premium” barely value...
This is the WEST. Which reminds me...
doesnt mean “Western premium” much better, but i read somewhere “Western premium” are more likely to be acronyms for West company — and vice versa for Chinese (idk about Sorry)
The current CVCV.com wow, automatic,
“Universal pronounceable” cvcv go for most lol

Old, but timeless DomainSherpa LLLL.com link
https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/llll/

No need to lump things together. Y can be premium if

a) it plays the role of a vowel and/or diphthong. E.g. Lyft, Tayk
b) it is followed or preceded by nice vowel/diphthong and the word is nicely pronounceable. E.g. Jaiy, Yenk etc.

It becomes undesirable surrounded by other undesirable letters, especially if it isn't even a Chinese premium (letter V or vowels present). E.g. xqvy.

 

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Plan for 2021 while wetting my LLLL feet is buy one LLLL $ 250 sell $ 500. Buy one LLLL $ 500 sell $ 1000. Plan for 2022 is buy four LLLLs $ 250 each sell $ 500 each. Buy four LLLLs $ 500 each sell $ 1000 each. Investment $ 250 profit $ 4000. I'll need to do detailed research for all of that to actually happen.

 

[-AR-]

Four letter .com's will rise in value regardless just because of limited supply. By how much? No idea....I think in 5 years time minimum will be anywhere from $300 - $1000 and for the brandable ones a lot higher in my view. Is this for certain? No idea but this is how I am positioning myself based on having been involved in this market for over 10 years on and off.....You could pick up a so called "non premium" 4 Letter .com for about $15-$30 about 7-8 years ago which means that we have had a 5.2 times increase on average. However if you would have bought a pronounceable domain like lets just say dryo(dot)com for $250....you could be looking at 10 to 20 times increase.

By this logic in 5-8 years time 4L.coms should be at the following levels for average reseller:

Domains selling today $130 should be selling at approximately $900
Domains selling at $1,500 should be selling at $18,500

I do think that they will be used like expensive art by investors and I do think that they are like crypto but less risky. With the crypto market having gone so big I think a lot of money will start flooding in soon as people understand the concept and start believing in digital real estate more.

 

[redemo]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree with this but started building a reference database of common letter combinations used by global business websites. Later on I'll add sales for each of the letter combinations. Obviously I won't post the whole lot. Anyone else doing this?

- - A I for Associates International (C.R.A.I. // www.crai.com // Charles River Associates International)

- - B C for - - Banking Corporation (H.S.B.C. // www.hsbc.com // Hongkong Shanghai Banking Corporation)

I A - - for International Association of - - (I.A.B.C. // www.iabc.com // International Association of Business Communicators)

- - F C for - - Football Club (L.C.F.C. // www.lcfc.com // Leicester City Football Club)

Adding subsets to the reference database

- C F C for - City Football Club (L.C.F.C. // www.lcfc.com // Leicester City Football Club)

 

[biggie]

Hi

Obviously I won't post the whole lot.

if, you want to make any progress or have success,
then you prolly should keep some to yourself.

imo...

 

[scithe]

If HTWO is a trademark now, I wouldn't park it on a parking site if it is yours.

 

[yogums]

If HTWO is a trademark now, I wouldn't park it on a parking site if it is yours.

Thank you for the advice. Hyundai has applied for the trademarks, but I have owned the domain for over a decade.

 

[HotKey]

A little chart to reference to. Depending on dictionary, total number of words beginning with can vary but won't affect the hierarchy.

English Alphabet Letter	Words Beginning With	Western Premium/Chip Classification
a	12,969	WP
b	10,748	WPC
c	16,826	WPC
d	10,081	WPC
e	6,839	WP
f	6,708	WPC
g	5,763	WPC
h	7,517	WPC
i	6,251	WP
j	1,630	C
k	2,112	C
l	5,747	WPC
m	11,088	WPC
n	5,006	WPC
o	4,790	WP
p	14,950	WPC
q	918	C
r	8,614	WPC
s	19,586	WPC
t	9,290	WPC
u	5,591
v	2,633
w	4,209	C
x	261	C
y	703	C
z	660	C

 

[Recons.Com]

A little chart to reference to. Depending on dictionary, total number of words beginning with can vary but won't affect the hierarchy.

English Alphabet Letter	Words Beginning With	Western Premium/Chip Classification
a	12,969	WP
b	10,748	WPC
c	16,826	WPC
d	10,081	WPC
e	6,839	WP
f	6,708	WPC
g	5,763	WPC
h	7,517	WPC
i	6,251	WP
j	1,630	C
k	2,112	C
l	5,747	WPC
m	11,088	WPC
n	5,006	WPC
o	4,790	WP
p	14,950	WPC
q	918	C
r	8,614	WPC
s	19,586	WPC
t	9,290	WPC
u	5,591
v	2,633
w	4,209	C
x	261	C
y	703	C
z	660	C

What matters more is the use of the letters in top (1000, 2000 or 5000) words. P might have more words starting with it than A, or I, do but the latter are more valuable because of the words like Association, Associates, Assembly, Artificial, Art, Academy, International, Incorporated, Intelligence, Industries, Internet etc.