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What are the key INDICATORS of value in non-acronym abbreviation LLLL .com names? (randomly selected kkdh.com iwqp.com pqwm.com zxlp.com). I see wildly differing prices some starting only $ 99 on Namepros auctions and https://shortnames.com/llll on up to five digits sales https://namebio.com/. I'm a newbie so please withstand the urge to scold basic questions. I'm interested in adding some LLLL .com names to my portfolio but needs to be careful because even $ 99 is a lot of money to me right now. Cheers.
 
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From a old post on my site (Short Domain Name Guide)
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4L.com & Short Domain Name Guide

Note the definitions as they will be referenced below.

  • C = Character: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of C’s refers to the number of characters in a domain name. In the domain name industry, the term Character refers to either a Letter of the
English alphabet (A-Z) or a Number (0-9). A domain with many characters may have both many letters and many numbers.

  • L = Letter: When seen is a domain name listing, the number of L’s refers to the number of letters in a domain name.
  • N = Number: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of N’s refers to the number of numbers in a domain name.
Premium Short Domain Name: LLLL.com or Four Letter Names.
A premium domain name is a domain name composed exclusively of letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T.

These letters are referred to as “premium letters”. A premium LLLL.com is, in other words, an LLLL.com devoid of the letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. These letters are commonly referred to as non-premium letters. The letters J,K,U,V,W,Y are considered by most domain investors to be of higher quality than the letters Q,X,Z. The letters: J,K,U,V,W,Y are commonly referred to as “semi-premium” letters, whereas Q,X,Z are referred to as “bad letters”. These terms are used strictly in a reseller setting and currently hold the largest weight in the 3 and 4 letter markets. More information on premium letters and premium domains will be provided in the 4 letter (LLLL) .com section which is included below.

As a general rule, Characters can be represented by Letters or Numbers. A 3 letter .com (LLL.com) is also considered a 3 Character .com (CCC.com). Likewise, a 2 number .com (NN.com) is also considered a 2 Character .com. Because LLL.coms and NNN.coms are so popular.

2 Character Domain Name
  • LL = 2 Letter .com: Two Letters from A-Z. They may be the same letter or different letters. Examples include: AA.com, BC.com, DJ.com, MX.com, YQ.com.
  • LN = Letter-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: A1.com, B9.com, X2.com, Y5.com.
  • NL = Number-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 1A.com, 9B.com, 2X.com, 5Y.com. Notice the difference in letter-number placement between an LN.com and an NL.com.
  • NN = 2 Number .com: Two Numbers from 0-9. They may be the same or different numbers. Examples include 11.com, 21.com, 47.com, 90.com.
3 Character Domain Name
  • LLL = 3 Letter .com: Contains 3 Letters from A-Z. Examples include: AAB.com, ABC.com, JHD.com, OOO.com.
  • LLN = Letter-Letter-Number .com: Two Letters from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: JH7.com, KL4.com, MM8.com, ZX2.com.
  • LNL = Letter-Number-Letter .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9, which is followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: B2B.com, G4S.com, B3G.com, Y2K.com.
  • LNN =Letter-Number-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by Two Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: C93.com, D22.com, B16.com, W40.com.
  • NLL =Number-Letter-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by Two Letters from A-Z. Examples include: 4DD.com, 3NT.com, 7WJ.com, 9QS.com.
  • NLN = Number-Letter-Number .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z, which is followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: 2D4.com, 5Y7.com, 6R1.com, 3F2.com.
  • NNL = Number-Number-Letter .com: Two Numbers from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 40A.com 66V.com, 75J.com, 91R.com.
  • NNN = 3 Number .com: Contains 3 Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: 123.com, 300.com, 444.com, 747.com. 4 Characters
  • LLLL = 4 Letter .com: Contains 4 Letters from A-Z. Below we define different types of 4 Letter .coms.
Anti-Premium Domain Name:
A domain name that contains only non-premium letters. An anti-premium domain is a domain which is composed strictly of letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.

The term Anti-Premium is most commonly applied to 4 Letter .coms, however it also makes a good adjective to describe the 3 letter short domain name selling near min wholesale as well. Examples of Anti-Premium LLL.coms include: YXZ.com, VKQ.com, XZW.com, QKU.com. Examples of Anti-Premium LLLL.coms include: WKQU.com, XYQZ.com, YQUW.com, KQJV.com.

Premium Short Domain Name:
  • Single Premium: We use this term to refer LLLL.coms containing only one premium letter. Examples of Single Premium LLLL.coms include: JHXZ.com, UQTX.com, WQUE.com, EUWJ.com.
  • Double Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing two premium letters. Examples of Double Premium LLLL.coms include: ASWQ.com, BJKT.com, WVMG.com, HWRZ.com.
  • Triple Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing three premium letters. Examples of Triple Premium LLLL.coms include: ASDX.com, POSW.com, NWOO.com, XEEB.com. LLL.coms containing three premium letters are commonly referred to as “Premium LLL.coms”. Examples include: SAS.com, RTN.com, NPG.com, RSS.com.
  • Quad Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing four premium letters. Examples of Quad Premium LLLL.coms include: AAAL.com, FFLE.com, MNGO.com, GHPR.com.
Name Types:
  • CVCV: A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVs are generally extremely pronounceable and are among the most valuable LLLL.coms. Examples include: MELO.com, MOFO.com, ZENE.com, LUMI.com. Many CVCVs are actual words in English or in another language and that partly contributes to their high valuations, on top of their immense brandability and obvious enduser potential.
  • CVVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. Examples include: NOOL.com, ROOX.com, BEER.com, MOOT.com.
  • VCCV : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. Examples include: ADDA.com, ELLO.com, INGE.com, UGFO.com
  • VCVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. VCVCs are often among the most pronounceable and desirable LLLL.coms, right up there with CVCVs. Examples include: OPAL.com, ONEX.com, ILEC.com, UQEN.com.
Rare Short Names:
  • AABB : A 4 letter .com domain which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CCDD.com, DDJJ.com, MMXX.com, ZZGG.com.
  • ABAB : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDCD.com, DJDJ.com, MXMX.com, ZGZG.com.
  • Palindromes : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDDC.com, DJJD.com, MXXM.com, ZGGZ.com. Palindromes are commonly referred to ABBA-type LLLL.coms.
  • Triple Letter : An LLLL.com containing three of the same letter. These are sometimes referred to as Triple letter repeats in the case it is of an AAAB or BAAA letter pattern. Examples include: SSSJ.com, SWWW.com, HHGH.com, IJII.com. Notice how each of these examples showcases the Triple Letter LLLL.com differently. These are all considered Triple Letter LLLL.coms.
  • VVVV : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains four vowels. Examples include: AEIO.com, EUOU.com, IOUI.com, EAUU.com.
5L.coms Domain Names (five letter):
  • CVCCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCCVs are among the most popular 5L.com domains which are registered and resold today. Examples include: RORRE.com, FOGGE.com, ZINNE.com, VISTA.com.
  • CVCVC : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. CVCVCs are essentially CVCVs with an additional consonant at the end. Examples include: FALES.com, FIRAL.com, SAGEP.com, LINUX.com.
  • CVCVV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVVs are essentially CVCVs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: RAGOO.com, PARIA.com, MELOO.com, MONEE.com.
  • CVVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVVCVs are CVCVs with an additional vowel included before the second consonant. Examples: ZOOME.com, ROOMI.com, PIECO.com, MOOLA.com.
  • VCVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. VCVCVs are essential VCVCs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: ATOMO.com, EFOTO.com, ISAMI.com, OSIRA.com.
 
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My opinion based on observations

random letters especially if they contain letters x z j v q (maybe others) under 200

Real words like Cows Dogs Kite Dive 50k + (50k being the real low)

Pronounceables that don't mean anything to most people that pass the radio check like Flim Lenk 2k+

Pronounceables that don't pass the radio check Fylo Noby 600 +

4L's that end with I or C (inc / corp) that have a good first 3 letter combo can be more valuable depending how many companies can use it.

4L's that are the letters of a popular acronym are also more valuable.

If 99 is a lot for you avoid 4l's, a person is better off saving up for one good 4l than have a lot of meaningless 4l's.

Think about the buyers? How will they find you? With a domain that has a keyword maybe it will come up when they search godaddy or when they type it in, but with a random 4l you need to be real lucky someone even wants it.

The wholesale 4l market for meaningless names has not increased in years.

The price of pronounceable 4ls that pass the radio check and obviously 4l's with a real meaning continue to appreciate fast.
 
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While no one is expecting all 5 letter or 6 letter domains having some definitive values, for some reason people expect 4Ls to have those and also fit some kind of formula.

While there are some general rules of thumb, each domain is unique and specific.

Unless you really understand what makes a specific 4L valuable, it is advisable to stay away from buying it. You might collect 100 4Ls each at $200 average cost and might struggle to sell even one at $3000 in a year.

Each 4L name has to be rigorously analyzed on its own merit, just like you'd do for 5L, 6L etc.

I firmly believe that while there are no hand regs for 4Ls since 2007, lots of them are not even investment grade and a good brandable hand reg could have better chance of selling at a similar price.
 
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$100 is the floor, 80ish extreme low see on NP for random four letter xjsz.com for example lol

And “the sky’s the limit,” Only 456,976 of these

llll.com liquid best ftw. (No hyphen, numbers)
Check Shortnames.com for market snapshot. They contextualize the data like stock graphs. Any serious or aspiring LLLL.com investor should know of it. & NP still # 1 buy 4L.com^^

Samer
 
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A little chart to reference to. Depending on dictionary, total number of words beginning with can vary but won't affect the hierarchy.

English Alphabet LetterWords Beginning WithWestern Premium/Chip Classification
a12,969WP
b10,748WPC
c16,826WPC
d10,081WPC
e6,839WP
f6,708WPC
g5,763WPC
h7,517WPC
i6,251WP
j1,630C
k2,112C
l5,747WPC
m11,088WPC
n5,006WPC
o4,790WP
p14,950WPC
q918C
r8,614WPC
s19,586WPC
t9,290WPC
u5,591
v2,633
w4,209C
x261C
y703C
z660C

What matters more is the use of the letters in top (1000, 2000 or 5000) words. P might have more words starting with it than A, or I, do but the latter are more valuable because of the words like Association, Associates, Assembly, Artificial, Art, Academy, International, Incorporated, Intelligence, Industries, Internet etc.
 
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Morning.

Don't be a Betamax. Be a VHS. Both systems basically got the job done. We may still use one for nostalgia. The other will probably never be remembered...ever again.

Now, if you had neither but could only afford a Betamax then that is what you got. Once you had bought one, I bet you couldn't even give it away.

IWQP - for example...good luck finding a company called Indoor Wholesale Quorn Packer. Yeah....its a 4L .com...so what. All the good ones are long gone and many are already in use. Can't think of any off the top of my head...why is that he wondered aloud.

Don't get to the yard sale too late and just buy the Betamax 'cos it was available.

This past week I hand regged a name for $6 and whilst it may not be the greatest domain name ever, I immediately could think of many different uses...vegetarian, veggie, vegan, online recipes, sandwich shop, blog etc etc.

It may never sell, but that is not so important as it cost me just $6.

Just don't try to jump on the band wagon once it has left the station...youmayjustfallonyourarse.com

Sure, what would I know...I'm just a Noobie too.

Regards,

Reddstagg
 
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Four letter .coms are fun...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Many a 4L have passed through my hands, I still hold a few.

End users like all of the letters and the liquidity of these offers value whereas longer names are typically not liquid for reasonable prices.

And you can always come up with a cool acronym and make something unique to itself...

There are only 456,976 combinations - how is that for rarity?
 
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talk about trains leaving the station, this BICO.com
must have been put together on mars. Sold for $350,000 on 5/12/2021.

It is a good price, no doubt. The name is very robust though. Could stand for Bi(t)Co(in) and that in itself can make it worth 10 bitcoins, no? )

Plus, it is super rare. Prem Consonant + Prem Vowel + Co, there are only around 50 possible combos for that and, most, probably, are under use.
 
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@Bob Hawkes Do you have any Namepros thread for this question? I tried the internal search box for one of your detailed studies but didn't know what to search. Cheers.
Interesting you should ask. Just a couple of weeks ago I wondered if I should do an analysis of 4L sales, but I have not yet done one. It is definitely fairly high on my target post lists though.
Bob
 
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Interesting you should ask. Just a couple of weeks ago I wondered if I should do an analysis of 4L sales, but I have not yet done one. It is definitely fairly high on my target post lists though.
Bob
Looking forward to when you post this.
 
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A little chart to reference to. Depending on dictionary, total number of words beginning with can vary but won't affect the hierarchy.

English Alphabet LetterWords Beginning WithWestern Premium/Chip Classification
a12,969WP
b10,748WPC
c16,826WPC
d10,081WPC
e6,839WP
f6,708WPC
g5,763WPC
h7,517WPC
i6,251WP
j1,630C
k2,112C
l5,747WPC
m11,088WPC
n5,006WPC
o4,790WP
p14,950WPC
q918C
r8,614WPC
s19,586WPC
t9,290WPC
u5,591
v2,633
w4,209C
x261C
y703C
z660C
 
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my favourite niche. as above, all have a base level of liquidity depending on which segment it falls into (random chars < random chinese premium < random western premium < random premiums < pronounceable < very pronounceable < word(s))

if $99 is a lot then i'd keep strictly to monitoring expireddomains.net instead of LLLL.com. better to get something above floor level that you'd only be able to flip on forums/DNWE for a similar price to what you paid.
 
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@The Durfer "i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)" Excellent question mate. Here's what I found https://namebio.com/.

Domain Price Date Venue
iiii.com 8,166 USD 2004-09-07 SnapNames

Domain Price Date Venue
llll.com 78,744 USD 2012-02-20 NameJet
llll.com 9,343 USD 2012-04-27 GoDaddy
llll.com 5,644 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
llll.com 5,644 USD 2008-09-25 Sedo

Domain Price Date Venue
vvvv.com 66,911 USD 2014-12-22 NameJet
 
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@The Durfer "i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)" Excellent question mate. Here's what I found https://namebio.com/.

Domain Price Date Venue
iiii.com 8,166 USD 2004-09-07 SnapNames

Domain Price Date Venue
llll.com 78,744 USD 2012-02-20 NameJet
llll.com 9,343 USD 2012-04-27 GoDaddy
llll.com 5,644 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
llll.com 5,644 USD 2008-09-25 Sedo

Domain Price Date Venue
vvvv.com 66,911 USD 2014-12-22 NameJet
Those are old prices now. I wonder if they have tripled or quadrupled since then? Hmmm
 
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@Compassion I have also looked at the LLL com market mate. 17576 options If google is not mistaken. The name bio website says 189 LLL com deals since 2018 only three were under the $ 10000. Last month amq.com went for $ 30000, jfx.com went for $ 43500, pee.com :wtf: went for $ 39900 Most transpired from sedo. I think LLL com is a game only played at the top table whence I'm dabbling my digits in LLLL com.


Some info for you on LLL sales

https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-lll-com-sales-report-discussion-thread.429599/
 
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Four letter .com's will rise in value regardless just because of limited supply. By how much? No idea....I think in 5 years time minimum will be anywhere from $300 - $1000 and for the brandable ones a lot higher in my view. Is this for certain? No idea but this is how I am positioning myself based on having been involved in this market for over 10 years on and off.....You could pick up a so called "non premium" 4 Letter .com for about $15-$30 about 7-8 years ago which means that we have had a 5.2 times increase on average. However if you would have bought a pronounceable domain like lets just say dryo(dot)com for $250....you could be looking at 10 to 20 times increase.

By this logic in 5-8 years time 4L.coms should be at the following levels for average reseller:

Domains selling today $130 should be selling at approximately $900
Domains selling at $1,500 should be selling at $18,500

I do think that they will be used like expensive art by investors and I do think that they are like crypto but less risky. With the crypto market having gone so big I think a lot of money will start flooding in soon as people understand the concept and start believing in digital real estate more.
 
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@Reddstagg I don't mean to be rude at all mate but I'm not a hobbyist. This is a serious post about investing in LLLL.com names. I need to make mortgage payments.

Then, let me quantify that a little. Many experienced domainers use the fact that it won't pass the 'Radio test' as a reason to not like a name. There are many other forms of advertising channels that can be used rather than audible and in the modern world many of them are non-verbal. This is a business mixed with science, experience, determination and a little pinch of luck thrown in.

I started with $200 in my back pocket just over 2 years ago and I only spend money I can completely write off. If I stopped in the morning it would not affect me. I am at about 95% dot.coms and I am about 98% pure hand reg rather than purchasing and I think for me this is a model that can work. I sold my 4 names this year. Revenue was $1100 or so, costs were $72 and less commission etc total profit was $982.

There will be many paths and many different strategies. You have to find the one that works for you. Selling a particular name may be more difficult than actually monetizing it and this is where you experience will help you.
 
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@Compassion I have also looked at the LLL com market mate. 17576 options If google is not mistaken. The name bio website says 189 LLL com deals since 2018 only three were under the $ 10000. Last month amq.com went for $ 30000, jfx.com went for $ 43500, pee.com :wtf: went for $ 39900 Most transpired from sedo. I think LLL com is a game only played at the top table whence I'm dabbling my digits in LLLL com.


Yes LLL provides just 17576 options (26*26*26)

Even rarer...
Lots of value in both markets.

Those prices show a good sampling of the current market, though as we know from members such as @Keith - a $xx,xxx LLL acquisition can ascend to high $xxx,xxx!
 
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@The Durfer

www.aaaa.com can't be reached

www.bbbb.com redirects to www.weibo.com/sephirex

www.cccc.com is under construction

www.dddd.com can't be reached

www.eeee.com can't be reached

www.ffff.com is offering opportunities [email protected]

www.gggg.com is a directory by www.geometry.net

www.hhhh.com can't be reached

www.iiii.com isn't working

www.jjjj.com can't be reached

www.kkkk.com can't be reached

www.llll.com can't be reached

www.mmmm.com can't be reached

www.nnnn.com isn't working

www.oooo.com is seeking cooperation [email protected]

www.pppp.com can't be reached

www.qqqq.com can't be reached

www.rrrr.com is a health club directory by www.health-club.net

www.ssss.com is a blank page

www.tttt.com can't be reached

www.uuuu.com is an e mail address [email protected]

www.vvvv.com can't be reached

www.wwww.com is a sedo parking page

www.xxxx.com can't be reached

www.yyyy.com can't be reached

www.zzzz.com isn't working
 
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@DuDD did not mean to challenge, was trying to like the comment.
 
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Hi

the terms "anti-premium, double premium, sub premium, quad premium", etc, etc,
is all a bunch of bull :poop:

i've had other np members tell me that :poop: when they make offers on my names.
one even told me he was an "expert" in 4 letter com.

below are a couple of related posts:
I am looking to buy CVCV domains only without J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z - NamePros
CVCV .com would you take a Y and if not, Y? - NamePros

folks telling me that letter "y" is not a vowel, when i offered "wufy.com" at discount price, they passed.
then a few weeks later it sold on sedo for twice as much.

now it's pointing to wufy.de > a developed site for doggie stuff, which btw is similar to logo i made for it.
WUFY (2).jpg


any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one.
if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150,
i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie.

imo...
 
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Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany
 
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