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What's the value of LLLL.com?

Labeled as question in "Short" Domain Discussion, started by redemo, Jun 5, 2021

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  1. redemo

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  2. The Durfer

    The Durfer Wesley Sweatman VIP Gold Account

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    no x, w, y, z, v, j, q and p (i think) and all consonants eg, kgcr.com are a chinese premium.
     
  3. The Durfer

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    they really like double letters and triple letters.
     
  5. The Durfer

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    i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)
     
  6. redemo

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    @The Durfer "i have a question, what does a quad letter premium go for? ty. (eg, LLLL.com MMMM.com)" Excellent question mate. Here's what I found https://namebio.com/.

    Domain Price Date Venue
    iiii.com 8,166 USD 2004-09-07 SnapNames

    Domain Price Date Venue
    llll.com 78,744 USD 2012-02-20 NameJet
    llll.com 9,343 USD 2012-04-27 GoDaddy
    llll.com 5,644 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
    llll.com 5,644 USD 2008-09-25 Sedo

    Domain Price Date Venue
    vvvv.com 66,911 USD 2014-12-22 NameJet
     
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  7. The Durfer

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    Those are old prices now. I wonder if they have tripled or quadrupled since then? Hmmm
     
  8. Alop

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    A 4L/4N can range from 100 dollars up to 1.5m
     
  9. redemo

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    @The Durfer

    www.aaaa.com can't be reached

    www.bbbb.com redirects to www.weibo.com/sephirex

    www.cccc.com is under construction

    www.dddd.com can't be reached

    www.eeee.com can't be reached

    www.ffff.com is offering opportunities [email protected]

    www.gggg.com is a directory by www.geometry.net

    www.hhhh.com can't be reached

    www.iiii.com isn't working

    www.jjjj.com can't be reached

    www.kkkk.com can't be reached

    www.llll.com can't be reached

    www.mmmm.com can't be reached

    www.nnnn.com isn't working

    www.oooo.com is seeking cooperation [email protected]

    www.pppp.com can't be reached

    www.qqqq.com can't be reached

    www.rrrr.com is a health club directory by www.health-club.net

    www.ssss.com is a blank page

    www.tttt.com can't be reached

    www.uuuu.com is an e mail address [email protected]

    www.vvvv.com can't be reached

    www.wwww.com is a sedo parking page

    www.xxxx.com can't be reached

    www.yyyy.com can't be reached

    www.zzzz.com isn't working
     
  10. Ttonker1

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    @DuDD did not mean to challenge, was trying to like the comment.
     
  11. gilescoley

    gilescoley Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Some info for you on LLL sales

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-lll-com-sales-report-discussion-thread.429599/
     
  12. BrandPlease

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    From a old post on my site (Short Domain Name Guide)
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    4L.com & Short Domain Name Guide

    Note the definitions as they will be referenced below.

    • C = Character: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of C’s refers to the number of characters in a domain name. In the domain name industry, the term Character refers to either a Letter of the
    English alphabet (A-Z) or a Number (0-9). A domain with many characters may have both many letters and many numbers.

    • L = Letter: When seen is a domain name listing, the number of L’s refers to the number of letters in a domain name.
    • N = Number: When seen in a domain name listing, the number of N’s refers to the number of numbers in a domain name.
    Premium Short Domain Name: LLLL.com or Four Letter Names.
    A premium domain name is a domain name composed exclusively of letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T.

    These letters are referred to as “premium letters”. A premium LLLL.com is, in other words, an LLLL.com devoid of the letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. These letters are commonly referred to as non-premium letters. The letters J,K,U,V,W,Y are considered by most domain investors to be of higher quality than the letters Q,X,Z. The letters: J,K,U,V,W,Y are commonly referred to as “semi-premium” letters, whereas Q,X,Z are referred to as “bad letters”. These terms are used strictly in a reseller setting and currently hold the largest weight in the 3 and 4 letter markets. More information on premium letters and premium domains will be provided in the 4 letter (LLLL) .com section which is included below.

    As a general rule, Characters can be represented by Letters or Numbers. A 3 letter .com (LLL.com) is also considered a 3 Character .com (CCC.com). Likewise, a 2 number .com (NN.com) is also considered a 2 Character .com. Because LLL.coms and NNN.coms are so popular.

    2 Character Domain Name
    • LL = 2 Letter .com: Two Letters from A-Z. They may be the same letter or different letters. Examples include: AA.com, BC.com, DJ.com, MX.com, YQ.com.
    • LN = Letter-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: A1.com, B9.com, X2.com, Y5.com.
    • NL = Number-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 1A.com, 9B.com, 2X.com, 5Y.com. Notice the difference in letter-number placement between an LN.com and an NL.com.
    • NN = 2 Number .com: Two Numbers from 0-9. They may be the same or different numbers. Examples include 11.com, 21.com, 47.com, 90.com.
    3 Character Domain Name
    • LLL = 3 Letter .com: Contains 3 Letters from A-Z. Examples include: AAB.com, ABC.com, JHD.com, OOO.com.
    • LLN = Letter-Letter-Number .com: Two Letters from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: JH7.com, KL4.com, MM8.com, ZX2.com.
    • LNL = Letter-Number-Letter .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9, which is followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: B2B.com, G4S.com, B3G.com, Y2K.com.
    • LNN =Letter-Number-Number .com: One Letter from A-Z followed by Two Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: C93.com, D22.com, B16.com, W40.com.
    • NLL =Number-Letter-Letter .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by Two Letters from A-Z. Examples include: 4DD.com, 3NT.com, 7WJ.com, 9QS.com.
    • NLN = Number-Letter-Number .com: One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z, which is followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: 2D4.com, 5Y7.com, 6R1.com, 3F2.com.
    • NNL = Number-Number-Letter .com: Two Numbers from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 40A.com 66V.com, 75J.com, 91R.com.
    • NNN = 3 Number .com: Contains 3 Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: 123.com, 300.com, 444.com, 747.com. 4 Characters
    • LLLL = 4 Letter .com: Contains 4 Letters from A-Z. Below we define different types of 4 Letter .coms.
    Anti-Premium Domain Name:
    A domain name that contains only non-premium letters. An anti-premium domain is a domain which is composed strictly of letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.

    The term Anti-Premium is most commonly applied to 4 Letter .coms, however it also makes a good adjective to describe the 3 letter short domain name selling near min wholesale as well. Examples of Anti-Premium LLL.coms include: YXZ.com, VKQ.com, XZW.com, QKU.com. Examples of Anti-Premium LLLL.coms include: WKQU.com, XYQZ.com, YQUW.com, KQJV.com.

    Premium Short Domain Name:
    • Single Premium: We use this term to refer LLLL.coms containing only one premium letter. Examples of Single Premium LLLL.coms include: JHXZ.com, UQTX.com, WQUE.com, EUWJ.com.
    • Double Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing two premium letters. Examples of Double Premium LLLL.coms include: ASWQ.com, BJKT.com, WVMG.com, HWRZ.com.
    • Triple Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing three premium letters. Examples of Triple Premium LLLL.coms include: ASDX.com, POSW.com, NWOO.com, XEEB.com. LLL.coms containing three premium letters are commonly referred to as “Premium LLL.coms”. Examples include: SAS.com, RTN.com, NPG.com, RSS.com.
    • Quad Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing four premium letters. Examples of Quad Premium LLLL.coms include: AAAL.com, FFLE.com, MNGO.com, GHPR.com.
    Name Types:
    • CVCV: A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVs are generally extremely pronounceable and are among the most valuable LLLL.coms. Examples include: MELO.com, MOFO.com, ZENE.com, LUMI.com. Many CVCVs are actual words in English or in another language and that partly contributes to their high valuations, on top of their immense brandability and obvious enduser potential.
    • CVVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. Examples include: NOOL.com, ROOX.com, BEER.com, MOOT.com.
    • VCCV : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. Examples include: ADDA.com, ELLO.com, INGE.com, UGFO.com
    • VCVC : A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. VCVCs are often among the most pronounceable and desirable LLLL.coms, right up there with CVCVs. Examples include: OPAL.com, ONEX.com, ILEC.com, UQEN.com.
    Rare Short Names:
    • AABB : A 4 letter .com domain which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CCDD.com, DDJJ.com, MMXX.com, ZZGG.com.
    • ABAB : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters, where “A” and “B” symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDCD.com, DJDJ.com, MXMX.com, ZGZG.com.
    • Palindromes : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDDC.com, DJJD.com, MXXM.com, ZGGZ.com. Palindromes are commonly referred to ABBA-type LLLL.coms.
    • Triple Letter : An LLLL.com containing three of the same letter. These are sometimes referred to as Triple letter repeats in the case it is of an AAAB or BAAA letter pattern. Examples include: SSSJ.com, SWWW.com, HHGH.com, IJII.com. Notice how each of these examples showcases the Triple Letter LLLL.com differently. These are all considered Triple Letter LLLL.coms.
    • VVVV : A 4 letter .com domain name which contains four vowels. Examples include: AEIO.com, EUOU.com, IOUI.com, EAUU.com.
    5L.coms Domain Names (five letter):
    • CVCCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCCVs are among the most popular 5L.com domains which are registered and resold today. Examples include: RORRE.com, FOGGE.com, ZINNE.com, VISTA.com.
    • CVCVC : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. CVCVCs are essentially CVCVs with an additional consonant at the end. Examples include: FALES.com, FIRAL.com, SAGEP.com, LINUX.com.
    • CVCVV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVVs are essentially CVCVs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: RAGOO.com, PARIA.com, MELOO.com, MONEE.com.
    • CVVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVVCVs are CVCVs with an additional vowel included before the second consonant. Examples: ZOOME.com, ROOMI.com, PIECO.com, MOOLA.com.
    • VCVCV : A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. VCVCVs are essential VCVCs with an additional vowel at the end. Examples include: ATOMO.com, EFOTO.com, ISAMI.com, OSIRA.com.
     
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  13. redemo

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    @BrandPlease Thank you doesn't come even remotely close to how grateful I am for your last post mate.
     
  14. biggie

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    Hi

    the terms "anti-premium, double premium, sub premium, quad premium", etc, etc,
    is all a bunch of bull :poop:

    i've had other np members tell me that :poop: when they make offers on my names.
    one even told me he was an "expert" in 4 letter com.

    below are a couple of related posts:
    I am looking to buy CVCV domains only without J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z - NamePros
    CVCV .com would you take a Y and if not, Y? - NamePros

    folks telling me that letter "y" is not a vowel, when i offered "wufy.com" at discount price, they passed.
    then a few weeks later it sold on sedo for twice as much.

    now it's pointing to wufy.de > a developed site for doggie stuff, which btw is similar to logo i made for it.
    WUFY (2).jpg

    any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one.
    if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150,
    i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie.

    imo...
     
  15. BrandPlease

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    Curious to see if others have a similar or the opposite experience than me.

    To start - personally like 4L coms (have 70ish) & think the really good ones (far above the "value" of mine) are simply the best: memorable, interesting, brandable names.

    Yes 3 Ls are considered top & have amazing levels of value - but $ aside, they are just not as "brandable" ad 4ls. 3 Ls are almost always an abbreviation, 4ls can be a real word or something fun to wordsmith.

    ALL THAT ASIDE (haha)

    From an investment point of view - 5 & 6 L - quality brandables - may get you better ROI than 4ls?

    At least that is my experience, for example: On the same platforms (BB, SH, BP) I have 4ls + a mix of many other lengths - but over all 5 & 6L coms sell many, many, many times more often & in shorter hold times than 4ls or anything 7+ letters.

    But, TBH, my 4Ls are not much over low end premium to garbage - so not necessarily a fair compare to what you or other may own. make sense?

    GL
     
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    @biggie "any 4 letter.com is investment grade, simply because new domainers will always want one. if you buy one today for $100 and add 5 years renewal for total of $150, i guarantee that 5 years from now, you could sell for a profit to the next newbie." You are right about that mate. I'm that new domainer year X fresh out the pet shop. Later this summer plan is to buy at least one LLLL .com. $ 250 is my ceiling. Then plan to sell for $ 500. Buy one $ 500 and sell $ 1000. This would be a successful end to 2021.
     
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    For domain names you have a unwritten law:
    SHORTER BETTER = BETTER CHANCE TO SELL but there is a clue behind that , f.e.: LY1Q.com you cannot sell. THE 4L must be chatchy and a shortage of name or product. Same rule for 5L and +.
    There a a lot of private collectors / investors at the market which waits to catch a fancy name and you have anonym buyer which buys in the name of big marketing agencys. Domain trading and earnings out of it, depends definetely of your creativity and to buy dropped domain names at in the right time.
     
  18. redemo

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    Heavens to Betsy! Why on earth is letter "y" deigned non premium? https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-start-with-y/ yack, yaff, yage, yaje, yaks, yams, yang, yank, yapp, yaps, yard, yare, yarn, yaud, yaup, yawl, yawn, yawp, yaws, yeah, yean, year, yeas, yech, yeet, yegg, yeld, yelk, yell, yelp, yens, yeps, yerk, yeti, yett, yeuk, yews, yill, yins, yipe, yips, yird, yirr, ylem, yobs, yock, yodh, yods, yoga, yogh, yogi, yoke, yoks, yolk, yond, yoni, yore, your, yous, yowl, yows, ysec, yuan, yuca, yuch, yuck, yuks, yule, yups, yurt, ywis, https://www.dictionary.com/e/word-finder/words-that-end-with-y/ ably, achy, aery, agly, ahoy, airy, alky, ally, army, arty, ashy, atry, away, awry, baby, bevy, body, bogy, bony, boxy, bray, buoy, bury, busy, cagy, caky, cany, cavy, chay, city, civy, clay, cloy, coky, coly, cony, copy, cosy, cozy, cray, defy, demy, deny, dewy, didy, dixy, doby, dogy, dopy, dory, doty, dowy, doxy, dozy, dray, duly, duty, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eery, eggy, emmy, enby, envy, espy, expy, eyry, flay, fley, fogy, foxy, fozy, fray, fumy, fury, gaby, gamy, gapy, gley, goby, gory, gray, grey, hazy, hidy, holy, homy, icky, idly, iffy, illy, inky, inly, jivy, joey, joky, jury, lacy, lady, laky, lazy, levy, lily, limy, liny, logy, lory, luny, many, mazy, miry, moly, mony, mopy, muny, nary, navy, nosy, nowy, oary, obey, oily, okay, oldy, only, oory, oozy, opry, orby, orgy, orly, paty, piny, pipy, pity, pixy, play, ploy, pogy, poky, poly, pony, posy, pray, prey, puky, puny, quay, quey, racy, rely, rimy, ropy, rosy, ruby, scry, sexy, shay, sizy, slay, sley, spay, spry, stay, sway, they, tidy, tiny, toby, tody, toey, tony, tory, towy, tray, troy, typy, ugly, vary, very, viny, wady, wany, wary, wavy, waxy, whey, wily, winy, wiry, zany
     
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  19. Recons.Com

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    Those are dictionary words/names and, thus, are a category in itself.

    4Ls for the purposes of this discussion should be the ones that are not words (English, or top words from popular languages like German, French, Spanish, Mandarin, Turkish etc.).

    While Y can be great in certain positions and combos, compared to other true premium letters, it limits the possibilities and options.
     
  20. Alop

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    A 4L domain is limited..it can be an abbreviation, if you are lucky it may be pronounceable or even a word ...

    For someone to exclude a letter from a 4 letter domain is funny to me
     
  21. Zilla

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    the example here, kkdh, pqwm, zxlp called CHIP....which we buy/sell at much higher price than $99....
     
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    @Zilla Thanks mate. I found an old thread by @DN.com about CHIP names https://www.namepros.com/threads/how-to-identify-premium-llll-com-domains.921152/.

    "The CHIPs.
    I believe many of you have already heard this term before. The CHIPs is short for Chinese Initial Pinyin domain names, which refer to the letters except A, E, I,O, U, V. Usually it is hard to find a proper meaning for a domain name combined with four non-CHIP letters. Therefore, there forms a big gap in price between CHIPs and non-CHIPs LLLL.com domain names."
     
  24. Samer

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    Not in America.
    In America, i place that letter premium.

    Dont care “Chinese” Kool-Aid premium rules.
    Oh idk “Chinese premium” barely value...
    This is the WEST. Which reminds me...
    doesnt mean “Western premium” much better, but i read somewhere “Western premium” are more likely to be acronyms for West company — and vice versa for Chinese (idk about Sorry)
    The current 👑 CVCV.com wow, automatic,
    “Universal pronounceable” cvcv go for most lol

    Old, but timeless DomainSherpa LLLL.com link
    https://www.domainsherpa.com/domain-name-dictionary/llll/
     
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