What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[DapperJane]

Well, @TCK -- it seems rational people do think that posting a video about Trans people was not hate speech. So, if you felt gaslighted by it, I am sorry that it triggered you.

Here is the data in case you are interested:

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Full link here

As for my accounts, I have only 2: @Rob Monster and @epik though I don't use the latter since my comments are my own, though I happen to be the CEO.

Epik does have many staff who visit NP now. I don't check it or edit their content. They are all have verified accounts and are empowered to speak their mind.

As for sock puppet accounts, yes, I am pretty sure that @DapperJane is your proxy. I have not asked for moderator intervention since it is all free speech.

No, I’m not tck, but do you have paid posting going on? It seems you have some of the same people posting in all Epik threads. Some of them even pretending not to know what an actual escrow is vs. a marketplace transaction.

 

[Rob Monster]

Now, from a business perspective, how many anti-liberal posts have you made in this thread alone? Do you think that inspires liberals to do business with you when


No, I’m not tck, but do you have paid posting going on? It seems you have some of the same people posting in all Epik threads. Some of them even pretending not to know what an actual escrow is vs. a marketplace transaction.

Thanks TCK.

I love liberals too. And they know it.

Regards,
Rob

 

[TCK]

As for sock puppet accounts, yes, I am pretty sure that @DapperJane is your proxy. I have not asked for moderator intervention since it is all free speech.

I recommend you ask a moderator for intervention. It would save you a lot of embarrassment.

I only have one account. I used to have 2 like you, but I asked @Eric Lyon to close the other account.

This is another example of your brazen hypocrisy and slander. I am pretty certain that you yourself employ the tactic of "sock puppet" accounts (and especially on Gab), that's why you are so quick to accuse others of this. Your paranoia is showing.

 

[TCK]

I have not asked for moderator intervention since it is all free speech.

And you have asked in the past for moderators to remove some of my posts because they were not to your liking, even though they were on topic and true. So enough of your "free speech" BS.

 

[oldtimer]

it seems rational people do think that posting a video about Trans people was not hate speech.

God loves all his children.

It' not what you are it’s what you do that might be considered wrong.

People who struggle with their gender identity must be helped and guided spiritually like any other person who has to deal with a serious issue in their life. In my opinion unless one’s born gender is causing any medical problems for a person it is best not to take a risk with making major changes in one's body that could result in physical complications or bring about unforeseen emotional and personality imbalances. The way that I see it instead of changing a person to adjust to the expectations of the society we need to change the society to accept everyone for whom they are and not to put undue pressure on anyone that doesn’t fit the mold. If the society at large is lust driven and encourages a life that is centered on earthly pleasures then in my opinion it is wrong for someone to change their gender in the pursuit of those false and misguided ideals as eventually we as the human race need to evolve out of our current primitive state of mind and rise to a higher level of existence that is free from lust, hate, jealousy, inequality, and many of the other bad characteristics that currently control our lives. IMO

 

[Rob Monster]

And you have asked in the past for moderators to remove some of my posts because they were not to your liking, even though they were on topic and true. So enough of your "free speech" BS.

Yes, groundless defamation would be cause for someone to be removed from any site that I am affiliated with. Your posts are defamatory.

There are feeble attempts to edit like this one:

You are not an honest or balanced journalist. You deserve to be ignored, which is perhaps why NamePros restricted your account before without any prompting from me.

And very ironically, that video that triggered you did get taken down by YouTube. The video was under DDoS attack at Watchmask too. So we put it behind BitMitigate:

https://video.watchmask.com/4Idagit84wg/

Now why on God's earth would people want to take down that video? Do you honestly believe that God wants you to cut off your penis?

 

[TCK]

Yes, groundless defamation would be cause for someone to be removed from any site that I am affiliated with. Your posts are defamatory. Your blog posts are defamatory.

You are accusing of things you yourself are guilty of. Sorry, it is what it is.

In order for it to be defamation, the accusations are unsubstantiated and false. That is what you are doing.

On the other hand, I have facts and proof on my side. Would you like me to post them here?

 

[TCK]

There are feeble attempts to edit like this one:

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That correction in the date doesn't change the story or any facts in it at all. It actually shows that you had white supremacy leaning ideals way before the mass murder in the New Zealand mosque. The video and manifesto of which you posted to Twitter, Gab, and watch mask. And also which you claimed was faked.

 

[oldtimer]

Are we back in highschool again, Stop the fighting you all, we are trying to discuss some important issues here.

 

[TCK]

Are we back in highschool again, Stop the fighting you all, we are trying to discuss some important issues here.

@oldtimer, don't waste your time with the shiny objects Rob throws your way. It is a form of distraction. To burry the real issues in an endless array of posts.

 

[oldtimer]

@oldtimer, don't waste your time with the shiny objects Rob throws your way. It is a form of distraction. To burry the real issues in an endless array of posts.

So lets discuss the real issues without all the back and forth personal attacks and accusations from Anyone.

 

[TCK]

So lets discuss the real issues without all the back and forth personal attacks and accusations from Anyone.

Just go back to the beginning of this thread. It's been done ad infinitum. We're just regurgitating same old.

 

[TCK]

@oldtimer, there are threads on Np where you can discuss issues like free speech, religion, politics, etc. Probably be better to go there if you want to discuss issues.

 

[Rob Monster]

You are accusing of things you yourself are guilty of. Sorry, it is what it is.

In order for it to be defamation, the accusations are unsubstantiated and false. That is what you are doing.

On the other hand, I have facts and proof on my side. Would you like me to post them here?

AFAIK, there is nothing stopping you. If it is more of your trademark circular reasoning, I imagine that many will just ignore you. To avoid being ignored or to avoid a moderator intervention, you should try coming up with new content.

And yes, I do reserve the right to drop shiny truthbombs into any reply and may recommend or highlight relevant Epik developments and technologies that pertain to a particular topic or issue that is being discussed.

In spite of your efforts to foment a boycott of Epik, even people who were initially not supportive of Epik have since become Epik clients. Our business is booming and our technology has never been stronger. Your plan backfired spectacularly.

That correction in the date doesn't change the story or any facts in it at all. It actually shows that you had white supremacy leaning ideals way before the mass murder in a New Zealand mosque. The video and manifesto of which you posted to Twitter, Gab, and watch mask. And also which you claimed was faked.

As for that interview, I would share the full interview but of course the book burners got it removed so we are left with hearsay and nonsense. Much of the content was Christian witnessing and advocacy for non-violent approaches to conflict resolution.

 

[Rob Monster]

So lets discuss the real issues without all the back and forth personal attacks and accusations from Anyone.

So, @oldtimer, let's do that.

The bookburners at YouTube removed this video early this morning:

https://video.watchmask.com/4Idagit84wg/

I don't know what prompted the takedown, the video was published way back on August 16, and was taken down earlier today after my reasonable Gab poll:

https://gab.com/epik/posts/102697147914761170

So, here we have a real test case. The Gab poll overwhelmingly says the content is not in any way hateful. I agree. The presenter actually has a loving tone.

For the folks that envision and Internet Bill of Rights, would this video been allowed to stay online. I say yes.

 

[Internet.Domains]

So, @oldtimer, let's do that.

The bookburners at YouTube removed this video early this morning:

https://video.watchmask.com/4Idagit84wg/

I don't know what prompted the takedown, the video was published way back on August 16, and was taken down earlier today after my reasonable Gab poll:

https://gab.com/epik/posts/102697147914761170

So, here we have a real test case. The Gab poll overwhelmingly says the content is not in any way hateful. I agree. The presenter actually has a loving tone.

For the folks that envision and Internet Bill of Rights, would this video been allowed to stay online. I say yes.

There is no hate in that video.

 

[frank-germany]

God loves all his children.

It' not what you are it’s what you do that might be considered wrong.

People who struggle with their gender identity must be helped and guided spiritually like any other person who has to deal with a serious issue in their life. In my opinion unless one’s born gender is causing any medical problems for a person it is best not to take a risk with making major changes in one's body that could result in physical complications or bring about unforeseen emotional and personality imbalances. The way that I see it instead of changing a person to adjust to the expectations of the society we need to change the society to accept everyone for whom they are and not to put undue pressure on anyone that doesn’t fit the mold. If the society at large is lust driven and encourages a life that is centered on earthly pleasures then in my opinion it is wrong for someone to change their gender in the pursuit of those false and misguided ideals as eventually we as the human race need to evolve out of our current primitive state of mind and rise to a higher level of existence that is free from lust, hate, jealousy, inequality, and many of the other bad characteristics that currently control our lives. IMO

LOL

 

[oldtimer]

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion so as far as Free Speech is concerned I don’t see any issues with hearing what is being said, but one problem that I see is that it only shows one side's perspective of the situation. I don’t agree with their assertion that those who are struggling with gender identity are suffering from a delusion as in certain cases people do need medical intervention to improve their quality of life, but if they do decide that they want to go through with certain medical procedures it is very important that they are not wanting to do this for the wrong reasons and that their decision has the support of a knowledgeable and unbiased medical professional. IMO

 

[Rob Monster]

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion so as far as Free Speech is concerned I don’t see any issues with hearing what is being said, but one problem that I see is that it only shows one side's perspective of the situation. I don’t agree with their assertion that those who are struggling with gender identity are suffering from a delusion as in certain cases people do need medical intervention to improve their quality of life, but if they do decide that they want to go through with certain medical procedures it is very important that they are not wanting to do this for the wrong reasons and that their decision has the support of a knowledgeable and unbiased medical professional. IMO

All fair but what we are talking about here is a case where someone with a functioning set of organs/tissues voluntarily seeks to have it removed. In other words, these are not gangrene or cancerous tissues.

The video draws a very helpful parallel in suggesting that no humane doctor would allow to chop off your non-diseased limb. However, in 2019, if you decide you want to chop off your penis, that's A-OK.

I believe the reason why this video had to be taken down is because it makes a a remarkably effective mockery of people who willfully cooperate in dismemberment.

 

[oldtimer]

As with many other issues those who are on opposing sides want to take things to the extremes, but although changing one's gender should not be taken lightly and should not be encouraged as the norm, but to say that all trans gender people are categorically suffering from delusion is wrong, the same as saying all those who are struggling with cancer are just imagining it and just need psychological help. Perhaps instead of censoring one side's point of view it should be followed by a rebuttal from the other side. IMO