What Pool has that we don't...

[wow!]

Hi

I wonder why Pool and other big expired/domains/catchers
can snap domains faster than a usual domainer like me and you...

:td:

And is it me or lately it seems that Registrars keep the good expired domains at thier lists and dont let it go.

Hope for pro answers.

thanks

 

[RJ]

Of course the main thing Pool has is multiple partner registrars with RRP connections to the registry with specially tuned scripts set to grab that name the split second it drops.

The usual domainer doesn't stand a chance. Unless you start your own ICANN accredited registrar.

 

[sasport]

The real problem here is people paying ridiculous sums to Pool to buy the domain from them.
Their business model is high risk ... if noone bought a domain name from them for 3 months they would be out of business.

 

[primacomputer]

Like RJ said, crooked under the table deals Not as crooked as the registrars that don't drop names and instead try to auction them off. But still pretty dodgy.

And of course they have the same thing we all gave. A totally screwed up drop system.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

I think that Pool sould chage their systems.

Sure, keep the catch fee (Possibly even raise it) and make it a system that the first person to backorder the name, if they catch it, they get the name.

Possibly even make it so that if you set a backorder on a name, they give you a quote on how much they will sell it to you for if they reg it. Nothing to much is excess, but that they adjust their fee slightly to get the most out of the names they are grabbing. - But there are certainly big problems with this, but if they struck a balance it would be a good system

Let's be honest, the person who find the domain's about to expire should be the one that deserves the domain!

- Luke

 

[Michelle]

The "OLD" has already been tied up many years ago. We must look to future names imo :hehe:

 

[wow!]

Thanks guys/girls ...
But is it illegal not to drop the domains?
Dont registrars have to release a domain when its ownership expired?

 

[ryan2829]

Thanks guys/girls ...
But is it illegal not to drop the domains?
Dont registrars have to release a domain when its ownership expired?

Yes they have to release the domain.

 

[erik.hillis]

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed. Everyone should have an equal chance to get a name once it's dropped.

 

[RJ]

Like RJ said, crooked under the table deals Not as crooked as the registrars that don't drop names and instead try to auction them off. But still pretty dodgy.

I didn't say Pool was crooked. They just have far more resources than the average domainer could ever have because of their contracts with many registrars.

 

[barefoottech]

Come on fella's
POOL.COM does what a large percentage of NPer's would do given the chance.
The dropping name market is a bit like a dead Zebra Carcass on the Plains of Africa. Every Vulture,Hyena and scavenger snapping and Snarling over often
names that were dropped because of various reasons. Remember for every good name that is dropped ,a lot more are crap. So of course ,the demand for the few good names will be a dirty and nasty business.
No one ,back-orders or not,has any intrinsic right to any dropped name. So who is the biggest,fastest and meanest wins.

 

[Sam]

Use your brain. Its "not fair" wont get you anywhere. Pool has a business model, and why do you think they will cut into their profits?

No way would they take away the auction system.

 

[erik.hillis]

Its "not fair" wont get you anywhere.

That's why I search for hours through dropped domains every day and turn up nothing but junk... trying not to get discouraged when a company sucks up all the good names the moment they drop, while I and others sift through the trash.

Use your brain.

Thanks tips

 

[AdoptableDomains]

Thanks guys/girls ...
But is it illegal not to drop the domains?
Dont registrars have to release a domain when its ownership expired?

It used to be "against ICANN's contract policies", but technically not "illegal" in a criminal sense.

What has happened is that the registrars were getting left out of the income from the dropping domain market. When Network Solutions found that their Wait list service wasn't going to fly, they just redid their customer agreement making the customer agree to turn a domain over to them instead of letting it drop. ICANN just seemed to ignore it, so everyone else followed suit. Now it seems very few of the big registrars actually allow domains to drop as usual any more.

 

[Hostnetric]

It is disturbing to look for a domain and find that noone, but the registrar owns the domain. It does seem quite unfair to the smaller players like you and me that we have to pay larger amounts of money for a domain that should be available on the open market and not horded by the registrars.

 

[primacomputer]

Thanks guys/girls ...
But is it illegal not to drop the domains?
Dont registrars have to release a domain when its ownership expired?

It's likely this could be a violation of anti-competition laws. It's certainly a violation of some rules. Each registrar should receive a bill the day after the redemption period expires for each name that a registrar had now “registered”. Why do they get to hold names for free while the rest of us have to pay?

I didn't say Pool was crooked. They just have far more resources than the average domainer could ever have because of their contracts with many registrars.

It's more than just that. These contracts give them an unfair advantage and preferential treatment which harms others in the industry. That's crooked. I love the hypocrisy of Pool and other members of the “Domain Justice Coalition” here. When it's NSI that stands to profit that's evil and they sue. When they effectively do the same thing it's OK?

Come on fella's
POOL.COM does what a large percentage of NPer's would do given the chance.

A lot of people would do a lot of things if they knew they could get away with it. That doesn't make it right.