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What does the dynadot high priority backorder really mean?

Located in Drop Catchers and Expired Domain Services started by Lord Antares, Dec 15, 2019.

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  1. Lord Antares

    Lord Antares Top Contributor VIP

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    https://www.dynadot.com/community/help/question.html?aid=895

    So now you can backorder a domain normally or you can backorder it with a high priority. The text in the link says:

    What does that actually mean? What does it mean to catch a domain before it releases? It doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, what happens if person 1 does a high priority backorder and person 2 does a low priority backorder? Does person 1 win the domain or is there an auction with the starting bid equivalent to person 1's backorder price?

    I can only see this coming in useful if you're competing with someone backordering from a different registrar (if the high priority backorder is faster) but how would you ever know?

    I tried to ask support but they had no clue. They said they would send a follow up email but they never did. That was a few days ago. Does anyone here know?

    I thought I'd ask @Dynadot in a PM but it's better if it's answered publicly so other people can understand this better.
     
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  2. Lox

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    In order to maximize the probability of catching domains ... essential brains @ DD are busy predicting (math) when exactly it will drop (milliseconds) and tune-up the re-registration request (ping-pong) in a timely manner. Most of specialized (you know who) drop-catch services attempt to reverse engineer the registry’s process and that's called ... ass-imilation :)

    Regards
     
  3. Lord Antares

    Lord Antares Top Contributor VIP

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    But every registry limits every registrar's API request count. So the only thing that makes sense is that they just use up more requests for your backorder if it's high priority.

    None of this will matter because if the domain is any good, more people are going to backorder and it's going to end up in auction.
     
  4. Lox

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    Yes. registries limits registrar's API request count. Check the ICANN accredited registrars list ... CTRL (Mac CMD) + F and search f.e. DropCatch :) .. and you will figure out.

    Regards
     
  5. Lord Antares

    Lord Antares Top Contributor VIP

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    Yes, Dropcatch has many registrars but I don't see how this addresses my concerns.
     
  6. Lox

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    before they release = pending delete list
    right when they release = dog eat dog
     
  7. Lord Antares

    Lord Antares Top Contributor VIP

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    I got the answer from dynadot support, if anyone wants to know:

    I still don't see a reason to use the high-priority backorder. I see no instance where that will help you catch a good domain but there it is, for anyone wondering.
     
  8. wwwweb

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    Could just be a play to extract more money out of newbies, a few extra would be perks, or sense of safety options, as I don’t get what more they can do either.
     
  9. Lord Antares

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    Yes, that's what I was thinking. I'm assuming the auction starting bid starts at $125 if at least one person did the high priority backorder. It's a good way to raise prices, I guess. They still didn't address that question directly tho.

    Also, if you know how the drop process works, you will know that ''We will attempt to catch the domain before they release.'' is a nonsensical statement. It is not possible to catch a domain before it releases, so catching it as soon as possible after release is the only way.
    That's poor wording at best and some mumbo jumbo at worst.
     
  10. Dynadot

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    Thank you for your patience whilst we confirmed the details with our team. Our backorder team have advised that the changes were made due to a new dropcatch scheme introduced by the central registry, which uses a new system at a higher cost. Those would be the high priority backorders, and the domains would only be available with a low priority backorder request if they are not caught with a high priority request within the first hour of release.
     
  11. Steven McEvoy

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    So this is why I dont get any good drops from Dynadot backorder...
     
  12. Lord Antares

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    I wasn't aware that there are special charges for a backorder. After all, a backorder at the registry is the same as just registering a domain. No part of the registering process is any different as if you were simply registering an available domain.

    You send a request, domain is not available; try again. You send a request, domain is available; register the domain. Park.io didn't raise their prices.
     
  13. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP Trusted Blogger

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    Would be interesting to know more on this as it would seem to impact all dropcatch services. By central registry does that mean it is for .com only, and a Verisign initiative, or com and .net, or are many registries going to a new procedure. My apologies if this has already been covered in some thread, but I don't recall hearing about it until this thread.
    Bob
     
  14. Lord Antares

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    Central registry refers to Afilias, which is in charge of .io, .info, .mobi and some others.

    .io used to be run by ICB (which only owned .io and .ac) until they were bought out by Afilias in 2017.

    So this has nothing to do with .com.
     
  15. Jurgen Wolf

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    So no any sense in those LOW-priority backorders...
    Just use Dyna API at regfee...
     
  16. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent Gold Account VIP Trusted Blogger

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    Thank you very much @Lord Antares - that clarifies a lot.

    So in theory I guess it applies theoretically to these extensions (plus the ones mentioned by you), although most domainers are probably not drop-catching most of the new ones - possibly a few like .global and .green or the legacy alternative .pro. Thanks again.
    Bob
     
  17. Lord Antares

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    Yes, using low priority is nonsensical now.

    I'm confused as to why the registry charges more for backorders vs. a hand reg as the process for the two is exactly the same. The software wouldn't even know the difference unless it's coded in a specific way.
     
  18. DoNotTrackMyIP

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    Thanks for chasing this down @Lord Antares. At those prices might as well BO at DC or SN.
     
  19. Lord Antares

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    Dynadot is ONLY for .io backorders for me. That's what they are good at. I've seen some other TLDs too but I don't care about those. So really, you can't directly compare the two.

    Again, if you really want a domain (and are prepared to enter a bidding war), DC should always be your highest priority as they catch most good domains. If you want to beat hand reggers, you can use dynadot API, which is actually faster than their commercial dropcatch service.
     

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