Vegan Debate

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Do we have any vegans at NamePros?

Anyone want to debate why they believe they have the right to enslave, manipulate, force, bully into submission, and send innocent gentle animals to a slaughterhouse full of uneducated employees that have a career in mass murder?

 

[frank-germany]

In terms of us obtaining something which was created in some way via mistreatment, such as inhumane cattle treatment for us to eat meat, surely the same morals and care is extended to humans? So, what about slave labour? We ALL do something every day that is linked to it.

there are a lot of things that are unperfect

but none of those makes any of the others
less undesireable


basically
you are trolling

 

[frank-germany]

Fine, but my point is essentially that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

you are right
at least they should be very carefully while throwing ..

 

[james haw]

there are a lot of things that are unperfect
but none of those makes any of the others less undesireable

Of course, so what? Was that not kinda my point?

basically
you are trolling

You think my post is trolling? It was just my opinion.
Given my posts and likes, and a post which was at least vaguely educated, it's sad you called me a troll.

 

[Brands.International]

I am not vegan, as I like meat

 

[hidefind]

Sorry to be an arse, but the world is bigger with more grey areas than you are willing to see.

I welcome people who make life choices which benefit the greater good. I try always to source good meat where the animals have been treat well, eat free range eggs etc etc. But in this world, it's impossible to not do, eat, or wear something or use some service which has not been created via some terrible means.

All these terrible things would stop if people quit subscribing to their services. To throw your hands up and say, "it's never going to stop because nobody else will, so I'll just be a good little sheep and follow the herd" is weak as fuck - simple as that. Excuse the language but hopefully we can be adults here. I COMMEND people who have done their research, understand the damage they're doing and make the sacrifices the other ostriches are unwilling to make. They should be admired, not convinced they're up against a rigged system. Every time you pass on a meal with meat, you're decreasing the demand for these factory farms. That's not nothing. If everyone did that, the market would change drastically.

 

[JB Lions]

All these terrible things would stop if people quit subscribing to their services. To throw your hands up and say, "it's never going to stop because nobody else will, so I'll just be a good little sheep and follow the herd" is weak as f*ck - simple as that. Excuse the language but hopefully we can be adults here. I COMMEND people who have done their research, understand the damage they're doing and make the sacrifices the other ostriches are unwilling to make. They should be admired, not convinced they're up against a rigged system. Every time you pass on a meal with meat, you're decreasing the demand for these factory farms. That's not nothing. If everyone did that, the market would change drastically.

What part of people like to eat meat do you struggle with? Maybe we should start eating preachy Vegans, make the world a truly better place.

 

[hidefind]

What part of people like to eat meat do you struggle with?

That one's easy: definately the "how we kill animals to satisfy the demand part".

And let me be clear - if they hung you by a rotary mechanical machine by your legs and slit your throat, I'd weep for you as well. That's not how we should be treating life. We used to do a lot of things we don't do anymore because it's wrong. Selfishness wins the day unfortunately, but that's what it is at it's root.

 

[JB Lions]

That one's easy: definately the "how we kill animals to satisfy the demand part".

And let me be clear - if they hung you by a rotary mechanical machine by your legs and slit your throat, I'd weep for you as well. That's not how we should be treating life. We used to do a lot of things we don't do anymore because it's wrong. Selfishness wins the day unfortunately, but that's what it is at it's root.

It's not wrong to eat meat, we were meant to. Is your issue just in all meat eating or certain meat eating, based on how we came about it?

 

[hidefind]

It's not wrong to eat meat, we were meant to. Is your issue just in all meat eating or certain meat eating, based on how we came about it?

We were given the tools we needed to survive but we're well beyond that now. We obviously haven't evolved beyond that primitive thought and an ever increasing demand has lead to factory farming to satisfy the market. It's sick what they're doing to those animals. If you're brave enough, youtube "undercover factory farm" and at least understand the system you support. There's a guided effort to separate you (the consumer) with the source (the producer) - because anyone with a soul wouldn't support these practices. Some would sure, but again, it all circles back to selfishness.

 

[JB Lions]

We were given the tools we needed to survive but we're well beyond that now. We obviously haven't evolved beyond that primitive thought and an ever increasing demand has lead to factory farming to satisfy the market. It's sick what they're doing to those animals. If you're brave enough, youtube "undercover factory farm" and at least understand the system you support. There's a guided effort to separate you (the consumer) with the source (the producer) - because anyone with a soul wouldn't support these practices. Some would sure, but again, it all circles back to selfishness.

That didn't answer my question. If the animals were treated nicely, to your standards, would it be ok then? Or are you against all meat eating, no matter what.

 

[420domainer]

Good question, waiting to hear on this too.

 

[hidefind]

That didn't answer my question. If the animals were treated nicely, to your standards, would it be ok then? Or are you against all meat eating, no matter what.

Personally if there's an alternative, I'm going to choose it regardless. To answer your question I'd be much happier if these animals were respected and I know some farmers do truly care for their livestock. Others fuck their livestock before it's served to you as a Big Mac. If we're going to continue - I'd love to see more of the former. For our health and theirs I really wish we'd stop. The hormones and steroids injected into these animals should scare the living shit out of meat eaters, but they just keep dropping like flies to cancer and heart diesese because "it's what were meant to do".

 

[JB Lions]

Personally if there's an alternative, I'm going to choose it regardless. To answer your question I'd be much happier if these animals were respected and I know some farmers do truly care for their livestock. Others f*ck their livestock before it's served to you as a Big Mac. If we're going to continue - I'd love to see more of the former. For our health and theirs I really wish we'd stop. The hormones and steroids injected into these animals should scare the living sh*t out of meat eaters, but they just keep dropping like flies to cancer and heart diesese because "it's what were meant to do".

I think a lot of people who eat meat like to see that too. See my earlier post about quality meat. More and more are moving to that direction. One example is organic meat:

"According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, organic meat comes from animals fed 100-percent organic feed, not given antibiotics or hormones, and allowed to graze in open pastures similar to the animals' natural living conditions. Organic feed given to these animals is grown in soil that's free from pesticides and synthetic fertilizers."

 

[hidefind]

I think a lot of people who eat meat like to see that too. See my earlier post about quality meat. More and more are moving to that direction. One example is organic meat:

I've noticed that and think it's wonderful. A HUGE step in the right direction. The next step would be tapping into our creativity and cutting back on eating meat in every single meal. Most people don't consider the course official without meat in breakfast, lunch and dinner. This isn't quite unique to America but it's pretty close. If you go awhile without eating meat, instead replacing it with substitutes, you'll soon realize that with the exception of steak ala carte, the meat itself provides more texture than flavor and most of the flavor you love lives in the seasonings, sauce and marinades. Not saying there's none,but for me at least, seeing what I've seen, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. At the very least we should all know what we're consuming and where it comes from.

 

[Together4Forever]

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[Together4Forever]

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[Haris]

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[Yuri Kt]

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[420domainer]

This issue is so so much deeper than simply making better food choices. A single mother of 4 who is working two jobs and has no idea about nutrition is not likely to stop getting cheap dinners from Mcd's. She just doesn't have the time or the knowledge of how to shop efficiently and cook healthfully. Multiply that times 5 million, then add all the meat lovers who could care less how their food is sourced....
Yes, it will always come down to that choice in the end of what gets put in your mouth, but there are many complex factors which contribute to how that decision gets made. Healthy, organic food is not necessarily cheap, nor is it everywhere. Farmers markets don't take food stamps....
Lots of issues to consider before saying it is just a simple solution of not putting the food in your mouth, even though when it comes down to it, that is the solution.
Just like quitting cigarettes, the real solution is to just never put them in your mouth again, but the physical and mental addiction makes this solution extraordinarily difficult.

 

[hidefind]

A single mother of 4 who is working two jobs and has no idea about nutrition is not likely to stop getting cheap dinners from Mcd's. She just doesn't have the time or the knowledge of how to shop efficiently and cook healthfully.

I don't disagree at all but this is the brokenness we need to fix. It's a myth that you can't eat fast, healthy and cheap (and - as demand for meatless options increase, competition will as well, which will drive costs down further). As a matter of fact I save a lot of money leaving meat out of my meals and I can tell you it's getting better all the time. When I first started which wasn't that long ago (5 years), alternatives were expensive and difficult to find. Over the past few years there's been a huge spike in availability and this is only going to get better in time.