To Mask or not To Mask... is there even a question?

[Kenny]

Hello Mods and Mems,

Well here we have it. Mandatory mask wearing in public.
Now most of you that know me understand that I am not the kind of guy that welcomes new laws...
infringement on personal freedom... that kind of stuff.
However, their are some laws that have been passed in my lifetime I believe are just plain common sense.

Car seats for kids.
Seat belts.
No riding in the back of pickup trucks.
No smoking in public places.
Stuff like this saves lives.

Wearing a mask in public is not so much for your own protection, but for the protection of those around you.
This is not my opinion. According to the medical professionals, this is a fact.

Lets hear from you.
Without turning this into a political pissing match, those of you who believe against wearing masks in public, please justify your position.

Please keep it civil... no personal attacks.

Thank you.

Peace,
Kenny

 

[roblasch]

got people believing we are in a pandemic when in fact all the RTPCR testing is doing is showing amplified genetic material

Perhaps you have missed the statistical increase in deaths. What would you attribute that to? The bad news is that all available information points solidly to an actual pandemic. As I have said before, I would consider your views more concerning if we were years into it. But we are not, and it seems likely to be ended by vaccines before we are all turned into sheep. You answered my questions well, but your answers don't line up with your rhetoric, so I'm fairly confused. You seem to be taking the pandemic seriously while saying it isn't real.

As far as the "mainstream media" is concerned, of course it should be taken with a grain of salt. The same is true for the non mainstream media, or any source of information, especially in the internet age. As an example, there are actually people in this country who believe that the Emperor won the 2020 election and had it stolen from him. Those are people who have shunned the mainstream media but haven't replaced it with good information sources. So it isn't enough to just say:

So that is why I say turn off the mainstream media

The mainstream media is full of thorough, professional, exceptional, unbiased reporters, producers and editors, just like the non traditional media and other information sources. And of course all are also full of substandard journalists, nutcases and people with an agenda. Information vetting is the key, not "turning off" a certain part of the stream. The "mainstream media" as an entity is another misnomer, and one that is used effectively to divide us, something you seem to be railing against, and yet ...

 

[Compassion]

Perhaps you have missed the statistical increase in deaths. What would you attribute that to? The bad news is that all available information points solidly to an actual pandemic. As I have said before, I would consider your views more concerning if we were years into it. But we are not, and it seems likely to be ended by vaccines before we are all turned into sheep. You answered my questions well, but your answers don't line up with your rhetoric, so I'm fairly confused. You seem to be taking the pandemic seriously while saying it isn't real.

As far as the "mainstream media" is concerned, of course it should be taken with a grain of salt. The same is true for the non mainstream media, or any source of information, especially in the internet age. As an example, there are actually people in this country who believe that the Emperor won the 2020 election and had it stolen from him. Those are people who have shunned the mainstream media but haven't replaced it with good information sources. So it isn't enough to just say:


The mainstream media is full of thorough, professional, exceptional, unbiased reporters, producers and editors, just like the non traditional media and other information sources. And of course all are also full of substandard journalists, nutcases and people with an agenda. Information vetting is the key, not "turning off" a certain part of the stream. The "mainstream media" as an entity is another misnomer, and one that is used effectively to divide us, something you seem to be railing against, and yet ...

I'm sorry, but the foundation of your principles are flawed. Don't be fooled into the vaccine psy-op. If you want to rewind the tape on that one and get to the roots of that topic. I suggest starting here:


Jenner and Vaccination: A strange chapter of medical history Charles Creighton MD
https://archive.org/details/b21357067




Most people in the medical field know that death labels come many weeks after the actual death occurs and there is a legit process for labeling that has completely been corrupted this year.


Senator Scott Jensen MD is a good source about this facet of the plandemic scam.

 

[Compassion]

The mainstream media is full of thorough, professional, exceptional, unbiased reporters, producers and editors, just like the non traditional media and other information sources. And of course all are also full of substandard journalists, nutcases and people with an agenda. Information vetting is the key, not "turning off" a certain part of the stream. The "mainstream media" as an entity is another misnomer, and one that is used effectively to divide us, something you seem to be railing against, and yet ...

Six media companies control most of the information for the masses to see in the USA.



And yes there are some good journalists - however the days of authentic journalism reigning supreme are long gone.

 

[roblasch]

Most people in the medical field know that death labels come many weeks after the actual death and there is a legit process for labeling that has completely been corrupted this year.

I'm speaking to the fact that the total death statistics reflect the increased rate consistent with the number of reported covid deaths. I'm talking about hospitals that have way more patients than usual. All of these points line up. What do you think is driving excess hospitalizations and a huge rise in deaths over previous years, a bad flu season?

 

[Compassion]

I'm speaking to the fact that the total death statistics reflect the increased rate consistent with the number of reported covid deaths. I'm talking about hospitals that have way more patients than usual. All of these points line up. What do you think is driving excess hospitalizations and a huge rise in deaths over previous years, a bad flu season?

The hospitals aren't overcrowded.


Just because something is on TV - this doesn't make it a fact/true.

 

[lambo.com]

So few people die of COVID. Lest we forget those who do.

 

[Compassion]

Perhaps you have missed the statistical increase in deaths. What would you attribute that to?

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/How-to-Lie-with-Statistics




Hmmm... Imagine that

One of Gates' favorite books is How to Lie with Statistics


Likely this is a good place for us to begin for us to answer your question most accurately.

 

[roblasch]

Six media companies control most of the information for the masses to see

and now you're starting to get at the real issue and the real problem. But your strategy makes the problem worse and divides us further. Advising people to ignore "mainstream" news is a recipe for disaster. Much of that news is true and important. My previous point as an example: a large number of people believing a national election was fraudulent is making the division worse, not better.

The real enemy are those who have amassed large wealth and power while we have been arguing about whether we should carry guns and get abortions. They are adept at keeping us fighting each other instead of banding together to fight the real rigged system (hint: it's not the election or the pandemic). Ignoring real news is not the answer. Fighting back against to oppressor class, who has stopped even throwing us bones, is the answer!

 

[roblasch]

Hmmm... Imagine that

and the huge rise in hospitalizations? Which I can see at a local level with my own eyes? You seem so bent on making your own decisions and yet you closely follow a very specific agenda. You remind me of the detective who has a suspect and then only looks at evidence that will bolter his case.

 

[oldtimer]

Many doctors and nurses have died from Covid 19 this year.

Were there as many deaths amongst healthcare workers in 2019

Did all those doctors and nurses who died this year lose their lives due to having some kind of underlying condition that wasn't known to them or was it Covid that killed them.

Covid is real, the Pandemic is real. Hopefully the new vaccines will put an end to them.

IMO

 

[Compassion]

The hospitals aren't overcrowded.


Just because something is on TV - this doesn't make it a fact/true.

and now you're starting to get at the real issue and the real problem. But your strategy makes the problem worse and divides us further. Advising people to ignore "mainstream" news is a recipe for disaster. Much of that news is true and important. My previous point as an example: a large number of people believing a national election was fraudulent is making the division worse, not better.

The real enemy are those who have amassed large wealth and power while we have been arguing about whether we should carry guns and get abortions. They are adept at keeping us fighting each other instead of banding together to fight the real rigged system (hint: it's not the election or the pandemic). Ignoring real news is not the answer. Fighting back against to oppressor class, who has stopped even throwing us bones, is the answer!

It's more of the lens adjustment from which we perceive the media that we need to adjust if we are to give them our focus.


However, the election was clearly rigged (They all are)

But this one was done so sloppily that we're going to see quite a month and a half of theater before Trump goes back.

I don't think the Powers That Shouldn't Be can trust Biden a minute longer on TV so they have to get rid of him quickly for Kamala or there will be four more years of Trump and then the Socialist/Communist agenda will gain more traction four years later with a Dem/Globalist mouthpiece who isn't a 100% liability for those who he is representing (the special interests funding Biden for example)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1334700028129112065

 

[Compassion]

Many doctors and nurses have died from Covid 19 this year.

Were there as many deaths amongst healthcare workers in 2019

Did all those doctors and nurses who died this year lose their lives due to having some kind of underlying condition that wasn't known to them or was it Covid that killed them.

Covid is real, the Pandemic is real. Hopefully the new vaccines will put an end to them.

IMO

I know you have a good heart oldtimer, but please don't fall for the fear propaganda. We need your good heart to see through the murkiness of our dilemma.

More people die from TB and Auto Accidents, however the media doesn't shine spotlights on this 24 hours a day so no one is talking about these things - for example.

 

[roblasch]

Covid is real, the Pandemic is real

Only the most stubborn of the deniers cling to a different view. Anyone with half a brain and the slightest bit of common sense knows it's real and should be avoided. What is known is that it is still very unknown. It has always been the case that even if you get it, but you have delayed getting it, you are much better off. With the likelihood of vaccines on the horizon, even if you are in complete denial (read idiot), it makes sense to do whatever you can for the next 6 months to prevent the spread. After that you can go back to your misinformed cuckoo nut-job opinion and no one will care.

 

[Compassion]

Only the most stubborn of the deniers cling to a different view. Anyone with half a brain and the slightest bit of common sense knows it's real and should be avoided. What is known is that it is still very unknown. It has always been the case that even if you get it, but you have delayed getting it, you are much better off. With the likelihood of vaccines on the horizon, even if you are in complete denial (read idiot), it makes sense to do whatever you can for the next 6 months to prevent the spread. After that you can go back to your misinformed cuckoo nut-job opinion and no one will care.

Congratulations for behaving like those who do on the bottom of the pyramid.

Perhaps next time you engage in an argument you'll actually have a central point and refute that with evidence.

 

[oldtimer]

I know you have a good heart oldtimer, but please don't fall for the fear propaganda. We need your good heart to see through the murkiness of our dilemma.

More people die from TB and Auto Accidents, however the media doesn't shine spotlights on this 24 hours a day so no one is talking about these things - for example.

It's true that people have been dying because of different illnesses in the past, but don't you see a spike in the number of deathes from 2018 to 2019 amongst healthcare workers and if you don't contribute that to Covid then what do you contribute it to.

I am not going based on what I hear in the media, but rather what logic tells me.

IMO

 

[Compassion]

It's true that people have been dying because of different illnesses in the past, but don't you see a spike in the number of deathes from 2018 to 2019 amongst healthcare workers and if you don't contribute that to Covid then what do you contribute it to.

I am not going based on what I hear in the media, but rather what logic tells me.

IMO

I don't see this from the data. Data shows Total Mortality is not elevated which is a primary indicator for Epidemiologists to ascertain and quantify new infectious diseases and potential pandemic scenarios.

And as far as more deaths in 2018-19? I am not sure, nor familiar with what you are referring to specifically.


The USA has actually been going backwards in life expectancy for a few years.

We are subjected to an unusually high amount of stress and toxins in our culture - but you won't hear about health measures such as eradicating Monsanto and their Roundup and Glyphosate products from the supply chain - will you?

(Congrats to the countries who have banned Monsanto and GMO already)

 

[roblasch]

More people die from TB and Auto Accidents, however the media doesn't shine spotlights on this 24 hours a day so no one is talking about these things

Last response because you don't listen, or make your points effectively. When you feel your argument slipping away you retreat to conspiracy theory and innuendo. You have made so many absurd statements but this one takes the cake. Maybe you read this article from the fake NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html TB deaths in the US are below 600 in case you are interested. TB deaths are on the decline. Worldwide they are substantial, but now less than covid, which will no doubt ravage the same poor populations. How much "media" reporting would you expect in a country with 500 deaths a year? As for automobile deaths in the US, they are high, but nowhere near the covid deaths ... except that you think the covid deaths don't really exist. I expect that is true worldwide, but I haven't checked it. Auto deaths are also not contagious (well not literally). But auto safety is also well reported and has led to much more safer vehicles. Seat belts, anti-explode fuel tanks, air bags, crumple frames and speed limits are all things that have reduced the number of fatalities over the years and all of them are the result of "media" reporting. Everyone knows that auto fatalities are high. How do you suppose we know that if not for media reporting?

Again, this is my last response to you. Your ideas are unsupported by anything other than soundbites and completely lack merit. I have given you a chance for a real conversation but you have fallen completely flat. I believe it is important to have these arguments because there are others who are reading them with an open mind. Some with an agenda similar to yours who might be influenced by a more reasoned approach. So thanks for the conversation.

 

[Compassion]

Last response because you don't listen, or make your points effectively. When you feel your argument slipping away you retreat to conspiracy theory and innuendo. You have made so many absurd statements but this one takes the cake. Maybe you read this article from the fake NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html TB deaths in the US are below 600 in case you are interested. TB deaths are on the decline. Worldwide they are substantial, but now less than covid, which will no doubt ravage the same poor populations. How much "media" reporting would you expect in a country with 500 deaths a year? As for automobile deaths in the US, they are high, but nowhere near the covid deaths ... except that you think the covid deaths don't really exist. I expect that is true worldwide, but I haven't checked it. Auto deaths are also not contagious (well not literally). But auto safety is also well reported and has led to much more safer vehicles. Seat belts, anti-explode fuel tanks, air bags, crumple frames and speed limits are all things that have reduced the number of fatalities over the years and all of them are the result of "media" reporting. Everyone knows that auto fatalities are high. How do you suppose we know that if not for media reporting?

Again, this is my last response to you. Your ideas are unsupported by anything other than soundbites and completely lack merit. I have given you a chance for a real conversation but you have fallen completely flat. I believe it is important to have these arguments because there are others who are reading them with an open mind. Some with an agenda similar to yours who might be influenced by a more reasoned approach. So thanks for the conversation.

That sounded more like a conversation with yourself than one with me.

Thanks for the almost kind words?


I could reply with infinite responses,

Here is a link with the auto accident data that is reliable
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html

We have plenty of agencies that keep track of data and if one knows how to extrapolate data on the given subject, we can see the truth of phenomenon.


None of us should rely on the media for authentic facts, but rather utilize the media as a barometer. We can see through the media where the energy of the world is engaged because those who own the media want us engaged in that way and therefore shine the cameras and spotlights on what serves the agenda of the media conglomerates - not on what is in the best interests of humanity.

 

[Compassion]

So few people die of COVID. Lest we forget those who do.

And let us remember those we lost in 2020 who did not receive proper services because of our peculiar situation.

For those of us who have lost friends and family this year - we were unable to attend a sacred service as ordinarily we would have done before the plandemic scenario was hurled onto us.


As the years roll by let us make sure to honor those who transitioned during this most chaotic year.

 

[oldtimer]

And as far as more deaths in 2018-19? I am not sure, nor familiar with what you are referring to specifically.

I was specifically referring to the spike created by the countless number of Healthcare Workers including Doctors and Nurses who have died from 2019 onwards because of contracting Covid compared to 2018.

You being a healthcare professional yourself should be more familiar with this data than anyone else here.

Correction: from 2019 onwards

IMO

 

[rh2000]

1) What have you gained by not wearing a mask during this pandemic

I have gained nothing, however I did gain oxygen by not creating a hypoxic state by wearing a mask.

I primarily use Instacart and the Internet for food orders, I don't go to stores, I live in a smaller city. Ironically for those who believe in not spreading a virus by staying home and by staying out of stores - I've done this since this plandemic started.


2) Have you ever been wrong in your assessment of a situation?


All humans make mistakes.
Yes. At the very beginning I was prepared for the worst and was extra cautious based on what we were hearing.

Then I reviewed the data, relative information, the total mortality count, conversed with other doctors and researched while honkering down at home. Back in those days you may recall the US Surgeon General and Fauci himself said to not use masks (quite loudly) which makes sense with the Physiology and Immunology training all healthcare practitioners receive. I never swayed from this stance because it is correct.

The media and the power of suggestion is what got people to wear masks well into the Spring/Summer - long after Cold/Flu Season and got people believing we are in a pandemic when in fact all the RTPCR testing is doing is showing amplified genetic material. Many doctors are speaking about this:

Here is the INVENTOR of the test saying to NOT use PCR for infectious disease diagnosis

3) Is the discomfort a wearing a mask worth a human life if you are wrong?


Definitely not. I'd wear one. Kennedy describes my stance here.

There is a divide in the healthcare field - just so you all know. Not all see the situation like Kennedy and myself do, but many many many many healthcare practitioners see the data, know science and many understand the fraud of the usage of the RTPCR test as the foundation of the fear scam right now. Many understand that the data shows masks don't help, but actually harm us.

There were also some research studies done decades ago that proved that masks don't prevent viral transmission.

You could also take a look at Rudolf Steiner's work from early last century where he proved viruses don't transfer around like the media suggests they do.

Viruses are actually a detox mechanism inside all of us - not like a bacteria that we pass around.





But media and politics rarely meld together to create truth so the divide and conquer show continues until we all don't allow ourselves to be conquered by the nefarious a-holes destroying the world while they reshape it as fast as they can while we're at home.


So that is why I say turn off the mainstream media . . .

unless you are ready to see it through the lens as a theatrical play with some familiar faces reading their lines with a clear agenda to keep the people distracted, divided, dumbed down and in fear. - The opposite of feeling in tune with God/Divine.

 

[rh2000]

 

[Compassion]

I was specifically referring to the spike created by the countless number of Healthcare Workers including Doctors and Nurses who have died in 2019 because of contracting Covid compared to 2018.

You being a healthcare professional yourself should be more familiar with this data than anyone else here.

IMO

I'm unaware of that data or source which is why I was curious as to why you or someone would say that.


In medicine - we have just as much of a variety of personalities and characters as we do in domain land.


Some are data nerds
Some are more right brained
Some are more left brained
Some think masks are great for prevention of virus transmission
Some know masks do nothing to prevent virus transmission
Some use drugs in their practice
Some don't use drugs in their practice
Some understand the role of nutrition and diet for optimal health
Some eat at McDonalds, drink Diet Coke and smoke cigarettes.....


Some watch zero TV
Some watch all the mainstream TV shows
Some are on TV.....

 

[Compassion]

FARMERS MARKET TYRANNY -- Peggy Hall

 

[roblasch]

FARMERS MARKET TYRANNY

I stopped watching at "self suffocation device". If you want to be taken seriously, be serious!