The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Theo Goodman]

Please start another thread about the threat of "nazis" if you would like to talk about this. Im more than willing to discuss such topics in another thread.

In regards to the USA as that is what we are talking about. How would you define a police state Herr JB?
Thanks,
Theo

 

[JB Lions]

Please start another thread about the threat of "nazis" if you would like to talk about this. Im more than willing to discuss such topics in another thread.

In regards to the USA as that is what we are talking about. How would you define a police state Herr JB?
Thanks,
Theo

As far as police state, already answered that earlier in the thread (feel free to utilize the search function here, 27 posts btw where I mention that term), it seems like it's the only subject you want to talk about, over and over again. I remember telling you one of the aspects of a police state are citizens not being able to voice their political views. We can do that all day long here in America. Feel free to join any number of Conservative blogs, FB pages etc and see just how free people feel to do exactly that, to the point of hanging.

And no, not going to start another thread. We already have this one. Talked about ISIS running amuck, taking over towns in this thread, so we can talk about Neo-Nazis taking over towns. And we have U.S. bases still in Germany if you're looking for a connection. We've had to help you out with your Nazi problems before. We've been talking about all sorts of subjects in this thread. You can make a reply here just fine. It's a very simple question, that you'll probably try to dodge again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

 

[Theo Goodman]

As far as police state, already answered that earlier in the thread (feel free to utilize the search function here), it seems like it's the only subject you want to talk about, over and over again. I remember telling you one of the aspects of a police state are citizens not being able to voice their political views. We can do that all day long here in America. Feel free to join any number of Conservative blogs, FB pages etc and see just how free people feel to do exactly that, to the point of hanging.

And no, not going to start another thread. We already have this one. Talked about ISIS running amuck, taking over towns in this thread, so we can talk about Neo-Nazis taking over towns. And we have U.S. bases still in Germany if you're looking for a connection. We've had to help you out with your Nazi problems before. We've been talking about all sorts of subjects in this thread. You can make a reply here just fine. It's a very simple question, that you'll probably try to dodge again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

So that is one aspect, but still dodging what you really think a police state is.
What question have I ever dodged? When have I used the word "police state"? If that is what I am "always" talking about.

The stuff that you post is inaccurate on how you measure unemployment and the economy. I agree that -one- aspect of a police state is lack of free speech.(ie JB:"not being able to voice their political views")



regarding not being able to voice political views I will use liberal leaning sources only:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/b...g-prison-over-a-link.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/aclu-first-amendment-suspended-ferguson
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/getty-photographer-arrested_n_5689614.html

Does this sound like free speech?

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It is not "my" nazi problem as I am American and part of the "we" that you speak of, again this does not lend anything to the discussion.

regarding the NPD (talked about in the second video wit the massive "village" of 36 people)

The NPD is legal party in Germany, however it is unclear how many goverment agents are in the party. Over ten years ago the goverment tried to ban them. The reason the case failed is that most of the key witnesses turned out to be goverment agents, in the case it also came out that a lot of funding was coming from these agents. So the opening of the third video asks why these "nazis" are allowed, well the NPD is a perfectly legal party, the goverment led by the social democrats failed to ban them and the conservative goverment is afraid of another failure.

Would you like to talk about how Germany is without a constitution in relation to the occupation by NATO forces? How the BND worked together with the NSA for years or how Ramstein is (I think) the largest military base outside of the USA? Lots of the drone attacks we hear about are done via Ramstein.

 

[JB Lions]

"The stuff that you post is inaccurate on how you measure unemployment and the economy."

Don't know why you keep posting that nonsense, since we've gone over that many times now and it has been taken apart many times. That you would actually argue against official stats that have always been used by both parties, is very telling.

The question that you have dodged now twice is this, again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

I even put it in bold for you, so how are you asking which question it is. Again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

As far as the Freedom of Speech links you posted, did you even read them? Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom to break the law, commit crime. This is yet another aspect where your police states views fall short - "outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state." Except the one article you linked too, the guy has a lawyer and the case will be tried. So I just went over (again) 2 aspects of where your police state falls short. And again, you can reread my prior posts on it for the rest. It's now like 28 different posts where I mention that term, a few of them going more deeply into it.

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

Is Germany a Nazi State, evidenced by the links I posted?

Wanted to add, the links are kinda silly since people get arrested in Germany as well for protesting at times. You know I could post links. All civilized societies have laws and police and courts etc. to enforce them.

So perhaps Germany is worse? Because, I don't worry about some Neo-Nazis coming around to take over any town.

Germany: Riot police and protesters clash big in Hamburg- Look at the end of the video, why it looks like.........armored military vehicles

Loot at this bad boy, water cannons?:

 

[Theo Goodman]

"The stuff that you post is inaccurate on how you measure unemployment and the economy."

Don't know why you keep posting that nonsense, since we've gone over that many times now and it has been taken apart many times. That you would actually argue against official stats that have always been used by both parties, is very telling.

The question that you have dodged now twice is this, again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

I even put it in bold for you, so how are you asking which question it is. Again:

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

As far as the Freedom of Speech links you posted, did you even read them? Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom to break the law, commit crime. This is yet another aspect where your police states views fall short - "outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state." Except the one article you linked too, the guy has a lawyer and the case will be tried. So I just went over (again) 2 aspects of where your police state falls short. And again, you can reread my prior posts on it for the rest. It's now like 28 different posts where I mention that term, a few of them going more deeply into it.

Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?

Is Germany a Nazi State, evidenced by the links I posted?

I don't know why you keep hanging to that nonsense, since we've gone over that many times now and it has been taken apart many times. That you would actually accept the "official" stats even though they misrepresent the truth and have no always been used by both parties, is very telling.

////Tell me Theo, is the stuff I'm posting accurate or inaccurate?///

I will tell you, I disagree with your opinions but opinions are not accurate or inaccurate. What "stuff" are you talking about???? You mean the massive nazi takeover or the excellent job Obama is doing? Or maybe about the recovery we are in? What is this "stuff" you are talking about.

JB says:"As far as the Freedom of Speech links you posted, did you even read them? Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom to break the law, commit crime. This is yet another aspect where your police states views fall short - "outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state." Except the one article you linked too, the guy has a lawyer and the case will be tried. So I just went over (again) 2 aspects of where your police state falls short. And again, you can reread my prior posts on it for the rest. It's now like 28 different posts where I mention that term, a few of them going more deeply into it."

Hi, What crime did the reporters in the articles commit? Sharing a link is a crime now? Interesting, sorry these "crimes" are labeled as such due to the political context.


I never claimed that we live in a police state, I said that the police rule because they are the occupying army of the state, they enforce the law by the use of violence and the threat of death. That is the reason the police have power, police state or not. It's now like 28 different posts where I mention that, a few of them going more deeply into it.


JB asks:
Is Germany a Nazi State, evidenced by the links I posted?

No

So now I will post it bold for you.

In a few sentences: What is a police state ?

 

[JB Lions]

Hi, What crime did the reporters in the articles commit? Sharing a link is a crime now? Interesting, sorry these "crimes" are labeled as such due to the political context.

Just a link? Did you read past the title of the article? It wouldn't be the first time.

"Among the millions of Stratfor files were data containing credit cards and security codes, part of the vast trove of internal company documents. The credit card data was of no interest or use to Mr. Brown, but it was of great interest to the government. In December 2012 he was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft. Over all he faces 17 charges — including three related to the purported threat of the F.B.I. officer and two obstruction of justice counts — that carry a possible sentence of 105 years, and he awaits trial in a jail in Mansfield, Tex."

And he'll have his day in court, that doesn't happen in a police state.

JB asks:
Is Germany a Nazi State, evidenced by the links I posted?

No

Obviously, you're wrong. I just posted all kinds of evidence. Or do you mean, you think it's more of a Police State than a Nazi State, based on the most recent videos I posted?

Because, I'm posting the same stuff you're posting, except the country is Germany. But it actually looks worse in Germany. Maybe if you take a pause from typing in "America Police State" into YouTube and Google all day long and use different terms or put in the country you live in now, maybe you will get a different perspective? Or visiting Alex Jones and all those conspiracy sites you love, or articles from nuts that just feed you.

 

[Theo Goodman]

Just a link? Did you read past the title of the article? It wouldn't be the first time.

"Among the millions of Stratfor files were data containing credit cards and security codes, part of the vast trove of internal company documents. The credit card data was of no interest or use to Mr. Brown, but it was of great interest to the government. In December 2012 he was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft. Over all he faces 17 charges — including three related to the purported threat of the F.B.I. officer and two obstruction of justice counts — that carry a possible sentence of 105 years, and he awaits trial in a jail in Mansfield, Tex."

And he'll have his day in court, that doesn't happen in a police state.



Obviously, you're wrong. I just posted all kinds of evidence. Or do you mean, you think it's more of a Police State than a Nazi State, based on the most recent videos I posted?

Because, I'm posting the same stuff you're posting, except the country is Germany. But it actually looks worse in Germany. Maybe if you take a pause from typing in "America Police State" into YouTube and Google all day long and use different terms or put in the country you live in now, maybe you will get a different perspective? Or visiting Alex Jones and all those conspiracy sites you love, or articles from nuts that just feed you.

No what you are posting is not like what I am posting. I dont love "conspiracy" sites or "nuts". Yet again instead of discussing you choose to try to lump people into a compartment. No you are not posting the same stuff that I am posting, at all. I never ever posted about a village in the USA being occupyed by nazis or made such a claim. I am not comparing country A to country B here, I want to speak about the USA. I am not defending Germany or any other country for that matter, and I never claimed that one country is better than another. So again I ask the question that you are dodging.
What is a police state Herr JB?


"2012 he was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft. Over all he faces 17 charges — including three related to the purported threat of the F.B.I. officer and two obstruction of justice counts — that carry a possible sentence of 105 years, and he awaits trial in a jail in Mansfield, Tex."

And he'll have his day in court, that doesn't happen in a police state."

However he linked to a site, and did not commit ID theft, he is -charged- with id theft for linking. Are you trying to say that police states are absent of courts? Please, I know the case well, do not accuse me of not reading an article, your insults are amazing. It is ok it is the not the first time that you put on your liberal NSA snack room blinders.


Again I ask a question that was dodged:
Herr JB What crime did the reporters that have been arrested in ferguson commit?

 

[JB Lions]

No what you are posting is not like what I am posting. I dont love "conspiracy" sites or "nuts". Yet again instead of discussing you choose to try to lump people into a compartment. No you are not posting the same stuff that I am posting, at all. I never ever posted about a village in the USA being occupyed by nazis or made such a claim. I am not comparing country A to country B here, I want to speak about the USA. I am not defending Germany or any other country for that matter, and I never claimed that one country is better than another. So again I ask the question that you are dodging.
What is a police state Herr JB?


"2012 he was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft. Over all he faces 17 charges — including three related to the purported threat of the F.B.I. officer and two obstruction of justice counts — that carry a possible sentence of 105 years, and he awaits trial in a jail in Mansfield, Tex."

And he'll have his day in court, that doesn't happen in a police state."

However he linked to a site, and did not commit ID theft, he is -charged- with id theft for linking. Are you trying to say that police states are absent of courts? Please, I know the case well, do not accuse me of not reading an article, your insults are amazing. It is ok it is the not the first time that you put on your liberal NSA snack room blinders.


Again I ask a question that was dodged:
Herr JB What crime did the reporters that have been arrested in ferguson commit?

First, I already answered the police state question. Not sure why you keep asking it. I could answer it again and you'll ask again a few months from now. Don't be lazy, use the search function. We went into it, talking about Stasi and what a real police state is etc. But I don't remember you ever answering the question. So tell me what a police state is, and how Germany doesn't fit the description. You can ask me again but I'm not going to repeat myself.

As far as:
"Herr JB What crime did the reporters that have been arrested in ferguson commit?"

"no charges were filed against Olson, who by Monday night was back shooting photos."

From what I've read, they had certain areas for media, he didn't pay attention to the police. They know this, and do it to get attention. We've talked about this before. I remember something about some group visiting some national monument and going into areas off limits to the public.

"I want to speak about the USA"

No kidding, but I like to talk about things as well, not the same thing over and over again. So I'm going to bring up Germany Police State from time to time.

But since you like to say America is a police state, how is Germany not, when the same activities take place?

 

[Theo Goodman]

First, I already answered the police state question. Not sure why you keep asking it. I could answer it again and you'll ask again a few months from now. Don't be lazy, use the search function. We went into it, talking about Stasi and what a real police state is etc. But I don't remember you ever answering the question. So tell me what a police state is, and how Germany doesn't fit the description. You can ask me again but I'm not going to repeat myself.

As far as:
"Herr JB What crime did the reporters that have been arrested in ferguson commit?"

"no charges were filed against Olson, who by Monday night was back shooting photos."

From what I've read, they had certain areas for media, he didn't pay attention to the police. They know this, and do it to get attention. We've talked about this before. I remember something about some group visiting some national monument and going into areas off limits to the public.

"I want to speak about the USA"

No kidding, but I like to talk about things as well, not the same thing over and over again. So I'm going to bring up Germany Police State from time to time.

No, I am not going to accept "go search for it" as it was not good enough for you.
Again please in a few sentences honor us with your liberal state loving NSA snack room version of what a police state is, that would be great, thanks.

I disagree with the idea that reporters can not report from public areas, the concept of putting journalists in a little plastic fenced off area is a violation of the first amendment, liberals like the ACLU tend to agree. That is fine, I thought that you would enjoy the media being limited in what they report and being threated with violence and having non leathal weapons being deployed on them. They should just go to the white house press confrence and quote that instead of reporting from public areas. We can trust the offical stats and narrative so there is no reason to report there anyway. If you are there reporting you are an attention whore reporter and have no business being there anyway.

 

[JB Lions]

"No, I am not going to accept "go search for it" as it was not good enough for you."

I tell you what. Once you explain how Germany is not a police state, I will once again explain to your lazy self. Because I've already done it, you haven't. So you need to take the first step on that.

Don't even know what you're talking about with the second part:

"no charges were filed against Olson, who by Monday night was back shooting photos."

He's allowed to shoot photos. Have you not seen them? Are you not reading the articles you link too again? Sometimes police have certain areas that they don't want you to go to. Could be several reasons for it. So if you do the opposite, then you might be arrested. He knew this and did it anyway and he got the result he wanted, he's got you posting about it. I guess you missed the part about no charges being filed.

Media being limited? Do you not watch the news? I see pics, all kinds of video. Now sometimes police need to do things, so if it's something that might interfere with that, you run the risk of getting arrested. Not really hard to understand is it?

To save myself some time, since I would just repeating what other have gone thru already. Take a break from reading America is a police state, to the opposite:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/20/1038439/-The-USA-Is-Not-a-Police-State-IMO#

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2013/07/the-united-states-is-not-a-police-state/

Etc

Besides what I mentioned above.

I'm free to travel where I want.

I'm not worried about somebody snapping me up and making me disappear because of my views.

I can run for public office.

I can bitch and moan about the President, state of the country etc. and not worry about it.

If I get arrested, I can have my day in court, get a lawyer etc.

I can go on and on how we're not a police state and it still wouldn't be enough for you, because you're damaged from reading all the crazy stuff you do.

And I went over how my mother actually grew up in a police state, East Germany, but you can pretend that I didn't. That was a real police state, America is not, sorry.

 

[verbster]

[QUOTE="you put on your liberal NSA snack room blinders.[/QUOTE]

Liberal snack room blinders? Is that anything like a conservative aluminum foil pointy hat designed to keep out any common sense thought waves?

If the definition of a police state is that important to you, define it and see if people agree. Then pay attention to the reasons someone gives if they disagree.

 

[verbster]

Nope, just happy to find that liberals and conservatives can agree on something; the coal industry is good for humanity and strengthens the gene pool.

Convince the coal miners how good it is for people's health. Convince people who live in areas that burn coal as their prime form of heat energy how it's helping them. Convince people who live below the runoff reservoirs how harmless it is.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"No, I am not going to accept "go search for it" as it was not good enough for you."

I tell you what. Once you explain how Germany is not a police state, I will once again explain to your lazy self. Because I've already done it, you haven't. So you need to take the first step on that.

Don't even know what you're talking about with the second part:

"no charges were filed against Olson, who by Monday night was back shooting photos."

He's allowed to shoot photos. Have you not seen them? Are you not reading the articles you link too again? Sometimes police have certain areas that they don't want you to go to. Could be several reasons for it. So if you do the opposite, then you might be arrested. He knew this and did it anyway and he got the result he wanted, he's got you posting about it. I guess you missed the part about no charges being filed.

Media being limited? Do you not watch the news? I see pics, all kinds of video. Now sometimes police need to do things, so if it's something that might interfere with that, you run the risk of getting arrested. Not really hard to understand is it?

To save myself some time, since I would just repeating what other have gone thru already. Take a break from reading America is a police state, to the opposite:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/20/1038439/-The-USA-Is-Not-a-Police-State-IMO#

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2013/07/the-united-states-is-not-a-police-state/

Etc

Besides what I mentioned above.

I'm free to travel where I want.

I'm not worried about somebody snapping me up and making me disappear because of my views.

I can run for public office.

I can bitch and moan about the President, state of the country etc. and not worry about it.

If I get arrested, I can have my day in court, get a lawyer etc.

I can go on and on how we're not a police state and it still wouldn't be enough for you, because you're damaged from reading all the crazy stuff you do.

And I went over how my mother actually grew up in a police state, East Germany, but you can pretend that I didn't. That was a real police state, America is not, sorry.

I guess you are too lazy to read but I never claimed that the usa is a police state.

Announcing on loud speakers to turn cameras off, arresting journalists that were sitting in mc donalds , removing press credentals and threating journalists with violence is all perfectly ok since police need to do "stuff".

verb ask a conservative

 

[JB Lions]

I guess you are too lazy to read but I never claimed that the usa is a police state.

Announcing on loud speakers to turn cameras off, arresting journalists that were sitting in mc donalds , removing press credentals and threating journalists with violence is all perfectly ok since police need to do "stuff".

verb ask a conservative

I must have been imagining all the America is a police state stuff from you then (sarcasm).

I just watched the video of the arrest in McDonalds. They were arrested for not listening to police officers that were clearing the place. Did you watch the video? And then with the dramatics, I got slammed into the soda fountain, my head slammed into the window. Yet, no injuries. Or the part where he says, Please don't wave your gun at me. I didn't see any gun waving. About the 6 and 14 second mark, twice. More dramatic bs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

Read the comments.

"If you watch the video, it's pretty clear the reporters are being purposefully obtuse in hopes of getting a reaction."

"Not complying but verbally resisting? Jail, but oh wait, you were there only 15 minutes? This is a stupid non-story. Doesn't the Post have real news to report on other than intentionally staged scandals?"

"I bet you thought you'd get sympathy from your readers. You and your little friend were not complying and you both got what you deserved."

And the guy in the van:
"“I’m going to die!” he screamed. “I’m going to die! I can’t breathe! I’m going to die!”"

Oh brother.

This is more of the stuff that we've talked about before. Reporters or groups going to places, trying to get a reaction. Just a reporter trying to make a name for himself, and you ate it up, hook, line and sinker. And they got let out shortly after. Maybe next time instead of arguing or whipping out the camera to record, they'll just comply? If he did, none of this would have happened, but then there wouldn't be a story. Get it?

You see this type of stuff on Live Leak all the time.

 

[Kate]

I'm free to travel where I want.

As long as you are not on the no-fly list...

It's not true by the way.
First of all, your passport application may be declined for a number reason. For example if you are a convicted felon. Some misdemeanor (ie drugs) may also command a denial. If you owe child support, you will be denied a passport as well. Criminal history: disqualified.
If you don't have a squeaky-clean record, the US is actually less lenient than other countries when it comes to granting a passport. It's always a privilege, more than a right.

There are also a few countries where Uncle Sam decided you shouldn't go. I don't think you are allowed to go to Cuba in normal circumstances. Also, if you decide to leave for good and expatriate, you will still have to report to the IRS and pay taxes on your worldwide income (past a certain level of exemption). The US is one of the very countries in the world that tax their non-resident citizens. The only possible way out is to surrender citizenship.

I'm not worried about somebody snapping me up and making me disappear because of my views.

Yet this is something that US routinely does to foreigners, not just those in Guantanamo. Indefinite detention without trial. Abduction. Torture. Obliteration. Fact. You are not worried because they are not after you right now, so you look the other way.

I can run for public office.

Big deal. So can I in my country.

I can bitch and moan about the President, state of the country etc. and not worry about it.

You can do anything that won't change the status quo. Bring some real embarrassing evidence of wrongdoing, expose it publicly and you'll see. Enjoy your First Amendment rights.

If I get arrested, I can have my day in court, get a lawyer etc.

Indeed, in America the odds of being arrested and doing jail time are significantly higher than in any other country. Having a lawyers is as important as having a doctor. The land of the free puts more people behind bars than in any other country, no contradiction whatsoever here.

I can go on and on how we're not a police state and it still wouldn't be enough for you, because you're damaged from reading all the crazy stuff you do.

Police state is a mild word. I'd rather say military state.
Unfortunately you are not seeing the writing on the wall yet. It's sad that people must be personally affected and made to suffer to realize.

And I went over how my mother actually grew up in a police state, East Germany, but you can pretend that I didn't. That was a real police state, America is not, sorry.

The DDR was indeed a true police state. I respect very much your insight. But you fail to acknowledge that US is heading in the same direction. What the NSA is doing is much worse than anything the Stasi could achieve in their wildest dreams. The current level of surveillance has no precedent in history.

You seem to think that the NSA and the Stasi are very different. They are both government bureaucracies. Their employees have a mission, which is to ensure that the social order is 'preserved'. They just follow orders.
Those bureaucracies need to justify their existence, and over time they become their own raison d'être, and they tend to grow like cancer, they also need to amplify the 'threat'. In the case of the NSA, it's big business, because there is a lot of money flowing to and from the private sector. The cash must continue to flow, and the revolving doors must continue to function. Terror = business. Prison is big business too. That's why it's a thriving industry in the US.

The whole terrorist thing is paranoia and hysteria. The number of victims from terrorism is nothing compared to road accidents (or even lift accidents). Besides, a society has never been toppled because of 'terrorism'. Yet the whole thing is presented like a struggle between life and death, and you must relinquish all your rights immediately - or else. It's the scam of the century, and Americans are so naïve and gullible.

 

[JB Lions]

"As long as you are not on the no-fly list..."

I'm not, most people aren't. So I can travel where I want.

"Yet this is something that US routinely does to foreigners, not just those in Guantanamo. Indefinite detention without trial. Abduction. Torture. Obliteration. Fact. You are not worried because they are not after you right now, so you look the other way."

Routinely? Be real. And I noticed you used foreigners, when suspected terrorists would be more accurate. Goes back to the drama I was talking about. Not after me right now, because in the future they might want to abduct and torture me? Again, with you watching too many movies or more of your irrational fear. It's ridiculous the stuff you post sometimes.

"Police state is a mild word. I'd rather say military state."

Well of course. You saw an armored vehicle, the same one you can find in Germany and many other countries, usually used in special circumstances, like a riot about to bust out. I'm not seeing it on the wall yet, you see it much more clearer over in Iceland.

"Big deal. So can I in my country."

In reference to being able to run for public office. Of course, because you're not a police state yet, it's happening, you just have your eyes closed over in Iceland. That was in response to what you can't do in a police state. Iceland isn't one, so not sure why you even brought that up.

"You can do anything that won't change the status quo. Bring some real embarrassing evidence of wrongdoing, expose it publicly and you'll see. Enjoy your First Amendment rights."

Like becoming a multi-millionaire? Ever hear of some of the whistle blower lawsuits people have won? But no, you think they'll make people disappear right? Or some other crazy stuff you saw in a movie. There have been plenty of times in our history where people have brought up wrongdoing. More silly stuff from you.

"Indeed, in America the odds of being arrested and doing jail time are significantly higher than in any other country."

I've never been arrested, do you know why? Because I don't commit crime. And the reasons for it, we've already gone over to death.

And your Stasi stuff, we went over that nonsense as well before.

You're bringing nothing new here. I think most of your views, just reflect a lot of your own paranoia. You have it set in your mind that America is __________ and only look for stuff supporting that, closing everything else out. Just like a few other people in this thread, who just so happen not to live in this country, amazing coincidence. As I demonstrated above, I can do that as well. I can say Germany is a Nazi State and post up supporting videos, articles etc. all day long. Doesn't make it true.

"It's the scam of the century, and Americans are so naïve and gullible."

That is something else where I don't know anybody concerned about that. America is pretty safe from that, minus an isolated incident here and there. We have lots of people and lots of land, the chance of anything happening is pretty slim. But it's what you like to think, to go along with the narrative you decided to stick to. All this posting you do about it, again, just exposes your own fears and yet again, to the point you're afraid to travel. Kind of like that old saying, misery loves company, you're looking for company to share your fears with. You want to spread your own fears to other people. That is your own issue you need to work on. You should start by traveling more, get out and see some of the world.

 

[GILSAN]

No wonder all the illegal immigrants want to go to Europe and especially the UK. The succession of Liberal governments have allowed millions of illegals to come, in exchange for their vote (same as the Democrats in the US). Now many of those immigrants are joining the Islamic radicals ( ISIS, El-Qaeda etc) in Syria, Iraq and other parts of the Middle East to exterminate and savagely behead non-believers and try to impose their religion and ideology on everyone.

These barbarians should have their passports removed, returned to the Middle East and never be allowed back into the UK or Europe ever again, even if they are EU citizens.

It's time for zero tolerance for the scum of the earth

 

[verbster]

Police state is a mild word. I'd rather say military state.
Unfortunately you are not seeing the writing on the wall yet. It's sad that people must be personally affected and made to suffer to realize.

The whole terrorist thing is paranoia and hysteria. The number of victims from terrorism is nothing compared to road accidents (or even lift accidents). Besides, a society has never been toppled because of 'terrorism'. Yet the whole thing is presented like a struggle between life and death, and you must relinquish all your rights immediately - or else. It's the scam of the century, and Americans are so naïve and gullible.

This morning I saw the headline: "Freed Activist Vows to Continue 14 Year Hunger Strike"

Kind of felt the same way after reading your last postings. You had the opportunity to make some good points, but . . . (but then again, it seems like the activist should have died of hunger many years ago).

 

[GILSAN]

This morning I saw the headline: "Freed Activist Vows to Continue 14 Year Hunger Strike"

14 Year Hunger Strike? And he's still alive?

 

[forge]

14 Year Hunger Strike? And he's still alive?

Per the rules, he's allowed a Snickers suppository once every 7 days.