The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[dottelads.com]

Ohio.tel confirmed as sold on Sedo $1000 1 bid- nothing special but a good roi for seller.

does anyone have details on any confirmed .tel resales with more then 1 bid? so far, all i've seen have only had 1 bid.....

 

[Work In Progress]

I also want to add the following:
Positive feedback for dot tel: Almost anyone can do it without any webdesign and coding knowledge, no hosting required, did this in 5 minutes.
Negative points: Can't put logo and other nice design. No really development possible.

Positive Feedback for .mobi: You can customize as you wish, unlimited development ideas.
Negative: Must have webdesign and coding design knowledge, takes x2 times the work compare of the .tel, need webhosting, need some dns settings knowledge.

Both are made for mobile devices.

The knew nothing about coding when I first started. Still don't know 90% of what it takes to custom build a site. Yet, I still have 10+ full mobi sites built out (and about 40 others "in the works"). Several have 100+ full pages with pages being added monthly. One came in second place last year in the ilovemobileweb awards. I can go on. The point I'm getting to is, these sites were built with a free, easy to use online sitebuilder. They can even provide the hosting if needed. And quite frankly, for those who find changing a DNS setting is difficult, they'll also struggle setting up their .tel. IMHO

The basic set up for a mobi site like Night Sky takes about 1/2 hour from start to finish. I would have had this one completed awhile back, but I'm negotiating with some other "real" developers to incorporate some really cool feature into this one that I can't provide. Sure, it does take some time to build out a site with custom logos, original content and images. My experience has proven you do get out what you put in though.

I'm not trying to "convert" anyone over to .mobi. Just setting the record straight as to the knowledge required to develop a "full blown" mobile site

 

[plaggypig]

.tel Shortlisted for InfoCommerce Model of Excellence Award :tu:

 

[WordWalker]

Only 30 domains out of 5603 have bids on them

For those who didn't get the memo, the days of the lazy* domainer are over. If the major auction houses want to further the industry in a meaningful way they must require, as an absolute minimum, that each and every domain offered for sale at a live (and extended) auction event must be accompanied by a mini-site. Period.



*Denotes selling a domain name with no other tangible enhancement. Not intended as judgemental of domainer work ethic. Finding good, solid domains for development can requre commitment, persistance & vision. Unfortunately, due to current economic conditions and a glut of domains available for sale, these particular attributes, alone, are no longer rewarded by the domain marketplace in the form of a profit.

 

[namenut]

Ohio.tel confirmed as sold on Sedo $1000 1 bid- nothing special but a good roi for seller.

The seller did no favors for the extension's value. A premium geo
name let go for 1K sets a low standard. But every seller has his/her
own situations to contend with. And 1K isn't just a kick in the pants.

nn

 

[Ms Domainer]

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To be honest, .tel won't garner the big $$$$$$ until its utility is realized, for example, mass adoption by end users.

I think it will happen, but until then, we can't expect .com prices.


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[Acroplex]

Mass adoption for .tel does not equal monetization. Mass adoption also means a drop in resale pricing. If you're offering .tel domains to a billion customers that use it for personal purposes, they will get it from the Registry for reg fee. The pitfall of domainers that heavily invest in a TLD that cannot be monetized is punishable by monetary loss. For the last time, please, do not bring forth as an argument that an index of links on a text page is equal to potential or development.

 

[WordWalker]

iPhone MyTel App Suggestion

In addition to managing .Tel data, I would like to have seen a field for one click calling by simply entering the .Tel domain name and pressing send. Nobody should underestimate the word-of-mouth promotional power this kind of functionality would bring to the .Tel brand.

 

[Kate]

If you're offering .tel domains to a billion customers that use it for personal purposes, they will get it from the Registry for reg fee.

Exactly. Besides the web is already saturated with directories.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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I'll say it again: .tel will do very well.




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[lexisdomains]

Constructive Criticism well taken

....The pitfall of domainers that heavily invest in a TLD that cannot be monetized is punishable by monetary loss.....

Thanks Acroplex.

You make a good point in saying that domainers should not 'heavily invest in new TLD's'; putting all your eggs in one basket as it were..

It should be noted that this is also the respected view of many 'very succesful' domain name investors.

Note the comments of Ron Jackson about investing in new TLDS:

".Com was the only choice in the early years of the Internet, so that has been branded in the public's consciousness. If you're a small businessman and you buy a new extension you've got an uphill fight. It's going to be like being invisible on the Web." (reference: Domain Name Journal - The Lowdown from DNJournal.com)

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To be honest, .tel won't garner the big $$$$$$ until its utility is realized, for example, mass adoption by end users.

That's also a good point MS. Domainer.

Ron Jackson also goes on to state that it takes many, many years for any new TLD to actually catch on in the marketplace.


So, even though .TEL is very exciting and offers many new innovations, It would be a wise course of action to 'invest wisely.'


Respectfully,
LexisDomains

 

[stefanb]

Yes Acroplex, valuable reliable information (whether as contact information, links, etc) will always be rewarded by the public, sooner or later, with or without the approval of the "establishment" aka Google.
I love your ranking in Google whenever somebody is searching for Telnic or dottel, etc- very relevant and great public service there from both Google and you! And then you wonder why some people might not find Google all that relevant anymore, and they start using different browsers and search engines.... But regardless of Google's monopolistic tendencies and business approach, don't worry, both .tel and Google will be around for a long time.

Mass adoption for .tel does not equal monetization. Mass adoption also means a drop in resale pricing. If you're offering .tel domains to a billion customers that use it for personal purposes, they will get it from the Registry for reg fee. The pitfall of domainers that heavily invest in a TLD that cannot be monetized is punishable by monetary loss. For the last time, please, do not bring forth as an argument that an index of links on a text page is equal to potential or development.

 

[Soofi]

Theo, you've been in & on action here as well!

way to go bud, repd'

 

[Tia Wood]

Well said!!! :bingo:

Mass adoption for .tel does not equal monetization. Mass adoption also means a drop in resale pricing. If you're offering .tel domains to a billion customers that use it for personal purposes, they will get it from the Registry for reg fee. The pitfall of domainers that heavily invest in a TLD that cannot be monetized is punishable by monetary loss. For the last time, please, do not bring forth as an argument that an index of links on a text page is equal to potential or development.

 

[stefanb]

Just to make it clear. My reply to Acroplex was in reference to the bottom of his message that doesn't show up in my reply or quote, saying: ".tel sucks, just google it". The rest of his message was his opininion and that was OK, even though I don't agree with it.

Well said!!! :bingo:

 

[ecigs.net]

Mass adoption for .tel does not equal monetization. Mass adoption also means a drop in resale pricing. If you're offering .tel domains to a billion customers that use it for personal purposes, they will get it from the Registry for reg fee. The pitfall of domainers that heavily invest in a TLD that cannot be monetized is punishable by monetary loss. For the last time, please, do not bring forth as an argument that an index of links on a text page is equal to potential or development.

That isn't logical. The popularity of a TLD directly relates to its value. COM does so well because it is the most popular TLD. With COM the supply of good names is very limited (if not totally exhausted). If TEL had as many users as COM, the better names would also be extremely rare. Price has to do with the ratio between supply and demand. Low supply with a high demand equals better price. New TLDs have a huge supply (of names) and little demand, therefore a low price. In a few years when a TLD becomes popular, the demand will be higher, but the supply of good names less. Therefore, the price will go up, not down.

The problem is that most domainers want the quick flip. With new TLDs, that just isn't a realistic approach.

 

[Archangel]

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To be honest, .tel won't garner the big $$$$$$ until its utility is realized, for example, mass adoption by end users.

I think it will happen, but until then, we can't expect .com prices.


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Very true. The same can be said about all ext, especially .mobi.

I don't mind investing in a new ext as long as the investment isn't ground-breaking. I regged 2 LLL.mobi since I have the feeling LLL.mobi will rise again someday soon. I own 1 .tel as well: jacklyn.tel It's a first-name .tel so I'm thinking it has some enduser potential. I might pick up a few more .mobi / .tel but for now, I'm happy with the 3 I have since neither ext has proven itself yet.

Take a look at .name: It's a worthless ext. I couldn't sell my old CDE.name for $1 so I let it drop. If my 3 mobi/tel domains flop, I'd only be screwed out of about $30.

 

[Acroplex]

"Illogical, captain"

Although I like Star Trek, I think you miss the starfleet while looking for the ship.

But let me ask you, what do you do with your cigarette.tel domain? You point it to cigarette brands, which point out to .com domains. But if I am a cancer-tube addict (thank God, not) I don't browse through silly indexes to get my tobacco fix. There are plenty of glamor-induced commercial web sites out there to supply this addictive, cancerous habit. They have images, pictures, videos and persuasive ways to make me buy.

Perhaps you should add a disclaimer that ".tel is dangerous for your health". :D

That isn't logical. The popularity of a TLD directly relates to its value. COM does so well because it is the most popular TLD. With COM the supply of good names is very limited (if not totally exhausted). If TEL had as many users as COM, the better names would also be extremely rare. Price has to do with the ratio between supply and demand. Low supply with a high demand equals better price. New TLDs have a huge supply (of names) and little demand, therefore a low price. In a few years when a TLD becomes popular, the demand will be higher, but the supply of good names less. Therefore, the price will go up, not down.

The problem is that most domainers want the quick flip. With new TLDs, that just isn't a realistic approach.

 

[steveteva]

Very true. The same can be said about all ext, especially .mobi.

I don't mind investing in a new ext as long as the investment isn't ground-breaking. I regged 2 LLL.mobi since I have the feeling LLL.mobi will rise again someday soon. I own 1 .tel as well: jacklyn.tel It's a first-name .tel so I'm thinking it has some enduser potential. I might pick up a few more .mobi / .tel but for now, I'm happy with the 3 I have since neither ext has proven itself yet.

Take a look at .name: It's a worthless ext. I couldn't sell my old CDE.name for $1 so I let it drop. If my 3 mobi/tel domains flop, I'd only be screwed out of about $30.

I like what you said: "If my 3 mobi/tel domains flop, I'd only be screwed out of about $30"

Since I've got hundreds I'll say: "If my 100+/tel domains flop, I'd only be screwed out of about $1000" also $1000X2 or 3 for several years of renewal = $3000 :lala:

Hope not FLOP - IT WON'T! LOL

 

[Kate]

The problem is that most domainers want the quick flip. With new TLDs, that just isn't a realistic approach.

Agreed.
But how many years are you willing to wait (and renew) ?
8 years later LLL.biz are still selling for $$...
.name is even worse, there are still LLL available in that ext.
I think you need to draw conclusions at some point. Both have failed. .tel is next in line.

All these extensions share a common trait: they are subprime TLDs.

Now let's assume a modest flip profit is possible... I am not aware of anybody getting rich with new extensions. At best you are making some pocket change.