The religious discussion thread

[Archangel]

This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.

 

[GILSAN]

If you really believe this, how do you think that DNA got there?

From the Religion of Peace

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This isn't a contest Gilsan. You've set it up with Muslims vs. everything else. It's all bad, all that extremism. Not one person in this thread said that those Muslim extremist views against gays is good, not one.

Then criticize them for doing so, just like you are all criticizing Christians who don't agree with gay marriage. You all keep giving me the example of the insignificant WBC all the time, but apparently they don't go out killing those they don't like. Every time anything anti-Islam is mentioned in this thread all the lefties come roaring out like a pack of wolves in their defense by showing how bad Christians are. It's the height of hypocrisy, or as the late Saddam Hussein would say: It's the Mother of Hypocrisy

 

[JB Lions]

From the Religion of Peace

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Then criticize them for doing so, just like you are all criticizing Christians who don't agree with gay marriage. You all keep giving me the example of the insignificant WBC all the time, but apparently they don't go out killing those they don't like. Every time anything anti-Islam is mentioned in this thread all the lefties come roaring out like a pack of wolves in their defense by showing how bad Christians are. It's the height of hypocrisy, or as the late Saddam Hussein would say: It's the Mother of Hypocrisy

I have you just don't read it. That response you get is usually because you guys act like all Muslims are bad, but Christians are all good. It's very simple. Most Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc are good. Extremists anywhere, are bad. You're the one who gets bent all out of shape when somebody mentions Christian. And here in the U.S. where I live, when it comes to gays and gay marriage, it is Christians who are giving them the hardest time.

 

[GILSAN]

And here in the U.S. where I live, when it comes to gays and gay marriage, it is Christians who are giving them the hardest time.

Wrong. It's Gays and Liberals who want to bend the rules, by diluting and changing the meaning of marriage.

 

[Kate]

Secondly, you or sdsinc can't ever compare WBC with Islam, because from what I understand WBC has never killed any Muslim or Gay or Jew for being what they are

If they (WBC) could, they would.
In Europe a group like that would be put in jail for incitement to hatred.

as opposed to Muslims who kill Christians and burn down churches or ancient Buddhist statues and temples. Islam is the only religion that hates all other religions on the planet.

Extremist groups exist in other religions too, not just Islam. India & Sri Lanka have extremist/breakaway Christian-inspired terrorist groups like National Liberation Front of Tripura.

In the US, anti-abortion groups have committed violence and murder in the name of Christian faith.
I suppose you have never heard about Army of God in the United States either.

In Uganda the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) led by Kony has perpetrated crimes against humanity on a large scale. Hint: it's not a Muslim organization either.

In these few examples, we are talking about current or recent news, not events that took place centuries ago.

Islam has its share of extremists, there are Christian extremists, a number of Jewish settlers are extremists too.
Of course you don't see that, because you seem to have a fixation with gays and Islam and can't see (or don't want to see/know) what's happening in your own turf.

Looks like you know a whole lot more about Westboro Baptist Church with 40 followers than you do about 1.57 billion Muslims who hate gays, Americans, Jews and non-believers to death.

Very Gilsanesque comment. Depicting a whole group of people as extremists.
And then you complain about the lack of tolerance of others :td:

 

[GILSAN]

If they (WBC) could, they would.
In Europe a group like that would be put in jail for incitement to hatred.

Extremist groups exist in other religions too, not just Islam. India & Sri Lanka have extremist/breakaway Christian-inspired terrorist groups like National Liberation Front of Tripura.

In the US, anti-abortion groups have committed violence and murder in the name of Christian faith.
I suppose you have never heard about Army of God in the United States either.

In Uganda the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) led by Kony has perpetrated crimes against humanity on a large scale. Hint: it's not a Muslim organization either.

In these few examples, we are talking about current or recent news, not events that took place centuries ago.

Islam has its share of extremists, there are Christian extremists, a number of Jewish settlers are extremists too.
Of course you don't see that, because you seem to have a fixation with gays and Islam and can't see (or don't want to see/know) what's happening in your own turf.

Very Gilsanesque comment. Depicting a whole group of people as extremists.
And then you complain about the lack of tolerance of others :td:

Again you only give me examples of christian extremists. It shows your colours and your bias.

In the US, the pro-abortionists are responsible for the murder of 1.2 million fetuses every year.

Are you trying to suggest that the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) is Christian? What did you smoke today?

Religious conflicts around the world nowadays are well over 95% between Muslims + Jews, Muslims + Christians, Muslims + Sikhs, Muslims + Hindus, Muslims + Buddhists, even Muslims vs Muslims.

I rest my case. I have nothing further to add.

 

[Kate]

Again you only give me examples of christian extremists. It shows your colours and your bias.

Seriously ?
I'm an atheist, so I don't care about any religion.
But what you are essentially saying is that all Muslims are extremists: you said "about 1.57 billion Muslims who hate gays, Americans, Jews and non-believers to death".
In your books it seems that Islam is the only problematic religion, but the world is a bit more complicated.

I knew you wouldn't like it, because it challenges your prejudices and Manichean, Bush-like, 'they against us' view of the world.
Welcome to the real world.

Religious conflicts around the world nowadays are well over 95% between Muslims + Jews, Muslims + Christians, Muslims + Sikhs, Muslims + Hindus, Muslims + Buddhists, even Muslims vs Muslims.

And Catholics vs Protestants (Ulster) and so on.
Europe is a hot spot too.

 

[JB Lions]

Wrong. It's Gays and Liberals who want to bend the rules, by diluting and changing the meaning of marriage.

It's already changed, grab a recent dictionary. And yet again, your definition, is not everybody's definition.

You keep asking why we're talking about Christian so much, because the topic was gay marriage here in the U.S. And it is mainly Christians here that are front and center against it.

If it's abortion here in the U.S. it's mainly Christians, read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Coalition_of_Life_Activists"]American Coalition of Life Activists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

So here in the U.S., it's more the crazy Christians running around causing problems then crazy Muslims.

 

[GILSAN]

Seriously ?
I'm an atheist, so I don't care about any religion.
But what you are essentially saying is that all Muslims are extremists: you said "about 1.57 billion Muslims who hate gays, Americans, Jews and non-believers to death".
In your books it seems that Islam is the only problematic religion, but the world is a bit more complicated.

I knew you wouldn't like it, because it challenges your prejudices and Manichean, Bush-like, 'they against us' view of the world.
Welcome to the real world.

And Catholics vs Protestants (Ulster) and so on.
Europe is a hot spot too.

Yes, in my book and in anyone with common sense, Islam is the most problematic religion. Like I said, well over 95% of religious conflicts ALWAYS involves Islam. Only a blind leftie like you and others don't see the common denominator in all these conflicts

"Europe is a hot spot too." Please explain that better

Here's another video by one of my favorite persons in Youtube; Pat Condell. Just like me and millions of others, he's NOT Politically correct and he never minces his words, which I admire a lot. Oh BTW, he's also an Atheist.... like you

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHqgHIVJeh8"]EDL - BBC, The Guardian and Other Left Wing - Pat Condell - YouTube[/ame]

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It's already changed, grab a recent dictionary. And yet again, your definition, is not everybody's definition.

You keep asking why we're talking about Christian so much, because the topic was gay marriage here in the U.S. And it is mainly Christians here that are front and center against it.

If it's abortion here in the U.S. it's mainly Christians, read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

American Coalition of Life Activists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So here in the U.S., it's more the crazy Christians running around causing problems then crazy Muslims.

Marriage = Man + Woman :tu: Anything else is Bull$hit

So in your crazy book it's the Crazy Christians who have slaughtered 1.2 million fetuses? Don't any of these women even feel an ounce of remorse for killing a living being that would be born a few days or weeks later?

I'll bet the same women and the millions of people including Liberals would be in an uproar if 1.2 million animal fetuses where slaughtered legally every year in the US, but don't even wink an eye for 1.2 million babies. Amazing hypocrites

Pro-Life Grandma Violently Attacked During Botched Abortion Incident at Planned Parenthood

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkynAqt1k10"]Pro-Life Grandma Violently Attacked During Botched Abortion Incident at Planned Parenthood 03132013 - YouTube[/ame]

There are many of these botched abortions going on throughout the country, endangering the mothers life or anyone who dares to try to film it out in the street. Does the MSM report this? Of course not!

Another story that the Liberal Media is not interested in reporting: Dr. Kermit Gosnell's trial about his abortion clinic where at least 10 infants delivered during late-term abortions were killed by snipping their NECKS with scissors.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ivered-late-term-abortion-snipping-NECKS.html

 

[JB Lions]

Pat Condell, your favorite guy on YouTube, thinks you're nuts Gilsan.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9gFNwC8Qp4"]Waiting for Jesus - YouTube[/ame]

"I'll bet the same women and the millions of people including Liberals would be in an uproar if 1.2 million animal fetuses where slaughtered legally every year in the US, but don't even wink an eye for 1.2 million babies. Amazing hypocrites"

Probably not. I'm a big time meat eater, meaning live animals need to die.

As far as that grandma, violently attacked? She got pushed over, they didn't charge the person who did it. And if you stalk and harass people, you have it coming.

 

[Theo Goodman]

I posted a video of jihadists that target and kill christians, is that being anti christian???
"Hey Samjones got any videos that shows all the slaughters by Muslims dating back thousands of years, till presently? I'm sure you don't because you are obviously a christian hater. It's easy to read between the lines in your posts" Sure I am sure I can come up with that, I will go to you tube and look. So what? I also have talked about how not so great of a place Saudia Arabia is to live if you look at it compared to lots of other countries. Is this anti-christian?

 

[GILSAN]

Pat Condell, your favorite guy on YouTube, thinks you're nuts Gilsan.

Waiting for Jesus - YouTube

Yes, I'd seen that video before. As I said on my previous post Pat Condell is an Atheist, not a hypocrite like you lefties.

"I'll bet the same women and the millions of people including Liberals would be in an uproar if 1.2 million animal fetuses where slaughtered legally every year in the US, but don't even wink an eye for 1.2 million babies. Amazing hypocrites"

Probably not. I'm a big time meat eater, meaning live animals need to die.

As far as that grandma, violently attacked? She got pushed over, they didn't charge the person who did it. And if you stalk and harass people, you have it coming.

You didn't even read what I wrote. I said ANIMAL FETUSES, not animals. In other words, if they did 1.2 million abortions on animals, like they do on 1.2 million babies, would you be OK with that?

She got pushed over? :lol: You're defending an obvious aggression? Come to think about it, what else could anyone expect from a hypocrite like yourself.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes, I'd seen that video before. As I said on my previous post Pat Condell is an Atheist, not a hypocrite like you lefties.


You didn't even read what I wrote. I said ANIMAL FETUSES, not animals. In other words, if they did 1.2 million abortions on animals, like they do on 1.2 million babies, would you be OK with that?

She got pushed over? :lol: You're defending an obvious aggression? Come to think about it, what else could anyone expect from a hypocrite like yourself.

So you think killing something not alive, is worse than killing something that is?

That's a sucker video Gilsan. You didn't see what happened before the incident. And they use grandma and 12 grandchildren to garner sympathy, typical tactic. What does it matter if she was 20 or 60, had no kids or a gang of kids. If she wasn't out there starting trouble, harassing folks, she wouldn't have ended up on her butt. It's kind of like with paparazzi, getting into the faces of celebs, trying to get a reaction out of them and when they react, the paparazzi cry and act like they've been done wrong. When they got the reaction they wanted. Same thing here. And again, the person wasn't arrested. Why do you think that is?

 

[GILSAN]

So you think killing something not alive, is worse than killing something that is?

Say what????? Have you been smoking some good stuff?

I posted a video of jihadists that target and kill christians, is that being anti christian???
"Hey Samjones got any videos that shows all the slaughters by Muslims dating back thousands of years, till presently? I'm sure you don't because you are obviously a christian hater. It's easy to read between the lines in your posts" Sure I am sure I can come up with that, I will go to you tube and look. So what? I also have talked about how not so great of a place Saudia Arabia is to live if you look at it compared to lots of other countries. Is this anti-christian?

No, what you were saying several posts back is that Libya had a higher standard of living than Saudi Arabia. Totally different from what we are talking about now. Don't try to fool me because you won't be able to do it.

Now go and find me a video that shows all the massacres committed by Muslims against the Infidels in the past few thousands of years till 2013

In the mean time here's a video about Muslim Schools Teaching Kids To Hate Non-Muslims... in the UK

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR-OZL7hWvg"]Muslim Schools Teaching Kids To Hate Non-Muslims - YouTube[/ame]

 

[verbster]

No, what you were saying several posts back is that Libya had a higher standard of living than Saudi Arabia.

How are you guys measuring the standard of living? Do you mean just the country's total wealth? Just men? Just the royals? Housing? Actual per capita income (excluding the royals)?

Now go and find me a video that shows all the massacres committed by Muslims against the Infidels in the past few thousands of years till 2013

Be fair and also list all the killings by Christians against other religions or declared enemies of the Christian religion.

 

[GILSAN]

How are you guys measuring the standard of living? Do you mean just the country's total wealth? Just men? Just the royals? Housing? Actual per capita income (excluding the royals)?.

Ask Samjones. He's the one who bought up the subject where he says that Libya has a much higher standard of living than Saudi Arabia.

Be fair and also list all the killings by Christians against other religions or declared enemies of the Christian religion.

Samjones has already put up a video showing the barbarity of the Christians in the past hundreds and thousands of years ago. Now I'm waiting for him or you to put up a video that shows how the "Religion of Peace" has treated other religions and continues to treat other religions till the present date.

I can put up hundreds of those videos, but I want you or Samjones to do it, to show that you are not biased towards Christians.... or are you?

 

[verbster]

. . . to show that you are not biased towards Christians.... or are you?

"Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view." As such both Christianity and Islam faiths are biased in their views of other religions. I'm equally biased at their bias.

 

[GILSAN]

"Anything biased generally is one-sided and therefore lacks a neutral point of view." As such both Christianity and Islam faiths are biased in their views of other religions. I'm equally biased at their bias.

Everyone is biased in one way or another, but what you are saying is that Christians are as bad as Muslims and don't get along with all other religions, like Muslims?

How about Atheists. Seems like the "Religion of Peace" hate them to death as well.

‘Hang atheist bloggers’: Bangladeshi Muslims call for execution of blasphemers


http://rt.com/news/bangladesh-protest-muslim-blogger-431/

I don't recall Christians in the US threatening to kill Atheists who were offended by and were able to have Nativity scenes removed from certain cities in the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/01/santa-monica-nativity-scene-atheist

Amazing that you put Islam and Christianity at the same level and still continue to defend Islam despite all the evidence of their hatred and intolerance towards everyone who isn't a believer.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"No, what you were saying several posts back is that Libya had a higher standard of living than Saudi Arabia."
That was before the manufacuted "rebelion" that did away with a secular state with a high living standard and replaced it with an islamic goverment. There is a long post in the political section with details which include many factors not only GDP.
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GILSAN you have already made up your mind about the truth in the world. What do you want?
I understand what your opnion is. Christianty- Good Islam-Bad / Anyone that does not have the same opinion as you - Liberal Muslim lover / Islam=problem with DNA
Thanks for the enlightment. I dont agree with you. That is ok. I think its great that you just came out with it, that you think people in the middle east have DNA issues. That really made it much easier to understand where you are coming from.
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I dont think this is good:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5__AlaXc_A"]''Return of khilafah - from Syria insallah'' - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk6sW9b6_es"]Emotional letter of Syrian martyr before his death | وصية شهيد مؤثرة من درعا - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi92GeCs0QU"]The Islamic Revolution: The call for Khilafah in Syria [Inspiring capture of the Syrian Revolution] - YouTube[/ame]
But I think this is great
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DlfSgtCyI"]Christians ( Hardcore ) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GILSAN]

California Proposes Law to Force Insurance to Cover Homosexual 'Infertility'

"The state of California is reportedly considering legislation that would force group insurance policies to provide infertility treatment for gay and lesbian couples."

"Two men who have sex with each other for a year and do not produce a baby would be considered “infertile” under the proposed legislation. So would two women having sex."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/08/CA-legislation-insurance-gay-infertility

:lol: And this is just the begging. Only Liberal Lunatics would think up such BS :lol:

 

[Alexander George]

Agreed. Schools are grounds for imparting Worldly knowledge and education. Religious teachings in a school would most probably lead to some conflictions and contradictions amongst young minds that can be harmful for the bright future of any country.