news The Pricing of Internet Domain Names Looks Kind of Random

[deez007]

Another interesting read from a end user / non domainer perspective.

What does it mean that a web address ending in .pizza costs more than one ending in .beer? Or that .bar costs more than .academy? That .church is pricier than .company? Hard to say. Maybe it doesn’t mean anything at all.

Judging from a casual browse, the rental rates for top-level domains (.com, .net, .pizza, etc.) seem to be only tangentially related to the forces of supply and demand. They look more like a big pricing experiment in a sector of the economy that’s in flux.

Full Article Here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...of-internet-domain-names-looks-kind-of-random

 

[deez007]

@atinc @lolwarrior so good reading for my fellow nGTLD investors

 

[Brands.International]

Thank you for nice article. I think everybody who knows new gTLDs and invest since beginning know that pricing is not random - it depends mainly of following factors:

a) is gTLD broad or narrow
b) how large is registry behind and how well they understand value of domains (quality of their expert team)
c) do they use automatic pricing, do they use premium tiers, do they follow up aftermarket sales, do they drop-catch expired domains which were already registered?
d) how much registry paid for certain gTLD in auction
e) whether registry decided it needs volume, or it will price their domains with higher tags (this is very much connected to point a)
f) and lot of other factors..

Those who follows know exactly which registry do what. Those who do not follow it see it as "random pricing" and it is understandable, as it must seem very random from their point of view

 

[deez007]

Thank you for nice article. I think everybody who knows new gTLDs and invest since beginning know that pricing is not random - it depends mainly of following factors:

a) is gTLD broad or narrow
b) how large is registry behind and how well they understand value of domains (quality of their expert team)
c) do they use automatic pricing, do they use premium tiers, do they follow up aftermarket sales, do they drop-catch expired domains which were already registered?
d) how much registry paid for certain gTLD in auction
e) whether registry decided it needs volume, or it will price their domains with higher tags (this is very much connected to point a)
f) and lot of other factors..

Those who follows know exactly which registry do what. Those who do not follow it see it as "random pricing" and it is understandable, as it must seem very random from their point of view

Yep, spot on....remember though that this article is from an end users/non domainers perspective so they would probably see pricing as random cos it's probably very confusing for them. The reason I liked the article was not because his discussions about pricing, not at all.. but what I liked was his ability to see the branding potential and the business justification for the use of nGTLD's.

 

[Brands.International]

Yep, spot on....remember though that this article is from an end users/non domainers perspective so they would probably see pricing as random cos it's probably very confusing for them. The reason I liked the article was not because his discussions about pricing, not at all.. but what I liked was his ability to see the branding potential and the business justification for the use of nGTLD's.

Exactly - at least he sees the branding potential, which is good!
As other information in this article regarding pricing was really not so helpful imo (and I say it very gently here), but as it is an end user view, it is understandable

 

[deez007]

Exactly - at least he sees the branding potential, which is good!
As other information in this article regarding pricing was really not so helpful imo (and I say it very gently here), but as it is an end user view, it is understandable

Yeah dude, his information about pricing was pretty much up the pole...lol but I think its always good to get some insight on end user perception.

 

[JB Lions]

“It’s not a true market,” says Joseph Cohen, the founder and president of a Brooklyn-based startup, Universe, that makes a phone app for building simple mobile phone websites. “There’s sort of a market, but it’s not very efficient or liquid.”

 

[deez007]

“It’s not a true market,” says Joseph Cohen, the founder and president of a Brooklyn-based startup, Universe, that makes a phone app for building simple mobile phone websites. “There’s sort of a market, but it’s not very efficient or liquid.”

Yes, he is reffering to his understranding of the DOMAINING market as a whole , not nGTLD's

Typical and predictable comment from you - You had to go through the entire article to look for one tiny statement that could be somewhat ambigious so that you can paste it here on the thread to drive you own agenda...sad dude, really sad

 

[atinc]

Nice article, thanks for sharing @deez007

It is good and educating for people who aren't aware of new gTLDs.

Who are not aware of them?

- Random people who are not familiar with any kind of online businesses.

I believe this type of news can raise more investors on domain names.

Who knows about new gTLDs?

Whoever is looking for a domain name for their businesses, 100
% knows about new gTLDs, since they already visited a registrar's web page, they can see all type of options.

 

[deez007]

Nice article, thanks for sharing @deez007

It is good and educating for people who aren't aware of new gTLDs.

Who are not aware of them?

- Random people who are not familiar with any kind of online businesses.

I believe this type of news can raise more investors on domain names.

Who knows about new gTLDs?

Whoever is looking for a domain name for their businesses, 100
% knows about new gTLDs, since they already visited a registrar's web page, they can see all type of options.

Yep, well said dude.. spot on.

Sure the uptake has been slow and it can be expected considering how many of the well known domainers publically put down nGTLD's and have been doing so from the start. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that nGTLD's are the single biggest threat to their valueble portfolios that they have no doubt invested a small forutune on. The need for them to create a negative perception of nGTLD's is understandable and it's merely them doing that they need to do to protect their business. Off course the fact that so many nGTLD's registries have adopted idiotic business models when it comes to premium renewals has not helped the image of nGTLD's. The good thing though is that all it takes is for some of them to adapt and change their business models and then all the others will have to follow suite. Imagine if some of the main nGTLD's like .club and .online decide... okay lets go back to the basics... STANDARD registration prices and STANDARD renewal prices across the board... I suspect that would really start shaking things up @Colin Campbell - hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink

 

[JB Lions]

The need for them to create a negative perception of nGTLD's is understandable

I think most are talking about reality, you guys not so much. Like overall reg numbers going down. Or based on looking at startups, about 2% choosing new gtlds based on the startups that one blog looks at. Or sales - http://www.dnjournal.com/ytd-sales-charts.htm

Out of hundreds of new gtlds, only 2 in the top 100 reported sales. casino.online, video.games

http://www.dnjournal.com/ytd-sales-charts.htm

I think it's more push back on the nonsense posted, ads posed as articles you post a lot, or people who literally have sold 0 domains, advising people to buy new gltds etc.

.com is not something that needs any help, no debate on whether it's going to make it or not. Long history of sales/usage. These new gtlds, the opposite.

 

[deez007]

I think most are talking about reality, you guys not so much. Like overall reg numbers going down. Or based on looking at startups, about 2% choosing new gtlds based on the startups that one blog looks at. Or sales - http://www.dnjournal.com/ytd-sales-charts.htm

Out of hundreds of new gtlds, only 2 in the top 100 reported sales. casino.online, video.games

http://www.dnjournal.com/ytd-sales-charts.htm

I think it's more push back on the nonsense posted, ads posed as articles you post a lot, or people who literally have sold 0 domains, advising people to buy new gltds etc.

.com is not something that needs any help, no debate on whether it's going to make it or not. Long history of sales/usage. These new gtlds, the opposite.

Once again, typical blah blah blah yackady smackady, predictable as a town clock.

Any data can be manipulated to and distorted to drive a certain agenda....

I have said it over and over again... if you clump all NGTLD's in the same boat and measure all nGTLD's all by the same stats then it's down right idiotic. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that nGTD's like .xyz that offered domains for virtually free on registration would have a MASSIVE drop in renewals... not rocket science..and doesn't take genius to realize that alone would skewer the numbers drastically when you looking at nGTLD's collectivley.

 

[JB Lions]

Any data can be manipulated to and distorted to drive a certain agenda....

Drive agenda? I just look at the numbers. Go thru the top extensions, how many are dropping? Reported sales are reported sales. Reg numbers are reg numbers. Some people pumping here have literally sold 0. In another thread I quoted 2 people admitting it, that's not making anything up. I look at data. It's funny you posting about agenda when you post a lot of advertising dressed up as articles.

"Any data can be manipulated to and distorted to drive a certain agenda...."

Let's test that out. Manipulate this - https://ntldstats.com/tld

to make it positive for new gtlds.

As usual, you didn't actually touch any of the points brought up, your reply was blah, blah. Typical.

 

[deez007]

Drive agenda? I just look at the numbers. Go thru the top extensions, how many are dropping? Reported sales are reported sales. Reg numbers are reg numbers. Some people pumping here have literally sold 0. In another thread I quoted 2 people admitting it, that's not making anything up. I look at data. It's funny you posting about agenda when you post a lot of advertising dressed up as articles.

"Any data can be manipulated to and distorted to drive a certain agenda...."

Let's test that out. Manipulate this - https://ntldstats.com/tld

to make it positive for new gtlds.

As usual, you didn't actually touch any of the points brought up, your reply was blah, blah. Typical.

As usual you always, ignore the main point that I have been raising over and over again... YOU CAN NOT CLUMP ALL nGTLD's into the same basket!

"It's funny you posting about agenda when you post a lot of advertising dressed up as articles"
Really? U talking about the 1 article I posted that you had a hissy fit about because the person who wrote the article was directly invloved with nGTLD's as part of his business...

Whats actually funny is that I post lots of content on the forum, articles about domaining news, about domaining sales, about legal issues and TM related stuff... yet you seem to always comment on the articles related to nGTLD's... and you wonder why I reply with BLAH BLAH BLAH...

 

[JB Lions]

YOU CAN NOT CLUMP ALL nGTLD's into the same basket!.

Go thru the top extensions, how many are dropping?

Most top ones are dropping, not just xyz

 

[deez007]

Most top ones are dropping, not just xyz

Define most top ones?

You define a "top" nGTLD based on the top 10 list thats is based on current market share... in that top 10 list..there are only 2 that are good ones.. .club and .online

 

[HotKey]

Cool- enduser perspectives are overlooked many times, we tend to take for granted that they have a completely different view than investors.

Another couple factors in the seemingly "random" pricing for nG's is how the extension would fare against its .com counterpart when combining before and after the dot. How valuable is the same name in dot-com? I think Sedo still uses this model, even though it is actually a flawed model. In fact I don't think they even look beyond the dot for their price suggestions.

Also the potential usage of that extension in terms of how many keywords it can be used with is a massive factor in pricing. Case in point Unregistry's upcoming price increases for its TLDs because many of them are terrible for "spanning the dot".