.tv The Chase Is Still On...

[GoneWalkabout]

This is purely anecdotal but very relevant to the .TV market

A small name, unimportant to many, dropped last night and yet - despite the supposed doom and gloom - it was obviously chased by many - including myself.

The name is simply a small geo in the UK (Solihull) and yet it went faster than you could say 'gone'.

The quality of the drops has also disappeared (unless they are premiums) so people are patently holding on to their better names, offloading expensive premiums, and still making maximum effort to pick up any nuggets that are left around.

Strange - the REAL market is doing one thing (going forward with gusto) yet the domainer market is doing exactly the opposite (supposedly!).

 

[johntv]

Nice information Jimbo, thanks.

 

[RogueWriter]

It is kind of frustrating, actually, to see available keywords just sitting there while I wait on a commission check or paycheck so I can acquire a few more, lol.

I made a mistake not picking up some geos years ago, but I have more product domains than I know what to do with, which works for me.

There will be a time when even product domains are hard come by in the .tv extension.

 

[garptrader]

I continue to see .TV domains with premium renewals drop (ammo for the critics) but as you state I have noticed the quality of drops declining. Meanwhile the competition for .TV drops at Namejet has picked up.

 

[Sam]

hey,

I sold WestVirginia.TV for i believe $150 or $250 back in the day when i was a poor domainer

Looking back, look at much money I have lost.

 

[snoop]

Strange - the REAL market is doing one thing (going forward with gusto) yet the domainer market is doing exactly the opposite (supposedly!).

This sounds like a fantasy, the "real" market for .tv is largely dead. ie liquid trading of domains.

The enduser market is still seeing some sales but it is "hardly moving forward with gusto", and domainers in the market (you, me and everybody else) have pretty much no confidence in the current situation. People are still heading for the exits, though unfortunately the opportunity to liquidate in any meaningful way ended one-two years ago.

Domainers won't buy except in firesale situations because they know enduser sales are few and far between and the market that existed previously isn't likely to come back anytime soon. Good luck if you really think the "real" market is moving forward with gusto.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

This sounds like a fantasy....

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Thanks once again for the valuable input Snoop.

I take it that 'special' person didn't show up this Christmas which might explain why you remain in that permanent state of 'misery and bad will to all' at Christmas time?

Once again I must ask why you have such an irrational hatred of an extension - surely this bizarre behaviour must consume rather a lot of your free time.

The main point of you tale, I assume, is to say .TV is dead. You have pointed this out so many times you must surely be tired by now. Yet you remian strangely devoid of any evidence to back up your mudslinging.

Let's look at the facts...

Fact - the domain aftermarket and domainer to domainer sales are in a horrible state of affairs....

...CORRECT, but so too are sales of .coms and .everything else. I think many have dropped far more .coms than .TVs. It might also be worth noting that most 'domainers' get their info on .TV names from Namepros - and guess who's always sitting here to slag off everything .TV and stifle real conversation?

Fact - the real world IS creating more and more .TV channels...

...CORRECT, pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't. They, and the rest of the real world accept .TV.

The recession may be coming to an end - it may not. But technology is ALWAYS going forward, and internet TV is certainly slotting very happily into place. Broadband speeds have increased everywhere (even North Korea) and more and more companies from Mercedes-Benz to the smallest magazines are now utilising that speed to create thousands of new .TV channels.


More realistically, the little extension .TV can be seen everywhere in the world - you don't have to explain what it represents - and in everywhere from Thailand to Germany to Brasil it is seeing real world steady growth.

If this is not the case - please supply the facts - not your 'humbug'

Happy New Year

 

[freedom30]

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Thanks once again for the valuable input Snoop.

Alas, the quest of a tireless crusader such as Don Quixote is a long and lonesome road. As he slips into the 21st century, he forgets at times that technology moves faster than the jackass that carries him and his banner(or is it banter?) and loses himself thinking 20th century tactics and visions, all too passe for the times.

At any rate, we do wish him well, however, as he proceeds slowly into the sunset, happily singing the same dirge that brought him here to this forum to begin with. Ride on, my bold crusader, and do not allow the door to hit you on the ass that you ride upon on your eventual way out. :hearts:

 

[Kate]

More realistically, the little extension .TV can be seen everywhere in the world

How often ?

 

[gr8trfoo]

This sounds like a fantasy, the "real" market for .tv is largely dead. ie liquid trading of domains.

A lot less speculative money would have been lost if folks listened to snoop, gotta give him that.

But that doesnt mean he's right or that .tv wont breakout. To my mind the "real" market isnt the circle-jerk domainers do flipping names to one another but instead is how many names are used as part of a real website or other bona fide use. That doesnt mean PPC except for those very few names generating enough real traffic to earn their keep.

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How often ?

Depends how often you look. I see one for about every hour of browsing, definitely 2-3 times as often as a couple years ago.

 

[benzdorf]

I dont know who makes me giggle more > jimbo or freedom, they are both pretty darn funny! ( In A GOOD WAY ) I think its best that people' biznezzeZ and otherZ who are interested in dotTV stay away from name pros .TV FORUM for sure.. MR. SNOOP HAS DEFINTLY KILLEDED A FEW SALES AND OR LEASES. However ; the strong move on and concoquer...

happy new year to all..

 

[freedom30]

.. MR. SNOOP HAS DEFINTLY KILLEDED A FEW SALES AND OR LEASES. However ; the strong move on and concoquer...

happy new year to all..

BENZY!!!

really great to see you are still on top of your game.

Mr Snoop, I mean Quixote, may have discouraged those that were too unsure to begin with in investing in the extension and that's all well and good as it should be. This does take commiitment...

...but time does eventually take its toll, and the further our lonely crusader travels on his twentieth century ass, the more behind the times he becomes, until it becomes more comical than believeable, so things do balance out in the end.

Thanks always for your input. You do inspire many to push the envelope and not be afraid of the present and future of the technological changes that are developing.

A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AS WELL, MY FRIEND!

 

[benzdorf]

Ok Freedom.. Your Funnyer than jimbo, but not by much..!

I luv yeah man..

 

[Kate]

MR. SNOOP HAS DEFINTLY KILLEDED A FEW SALES AND OR LEASES.

Really ? You should elaborate on this.
I truly believe extensions do not fail because of the naysayers, nor do they thrive because of the speculators :gl:
It all boils down to the market or the lack thereof.

 

[benzdorf]

Nothing to elAborate, its pure speculation on my part !

:lala:

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Ok Freedom.. Your Funnyer than jimbo, but not by much..!

Benz

My wife saw me coming out of the shower this morning and thinks I'm funnier than EVERYONE!!!

And what she says goes.

I truly believe extensions do not fail because of the naysayers, nor do they thrive because of the speculators :gl:
It all boils down to the market or the lack thereof.

Agree totally and that as the whole point of this thread.

The growth in .TV names for websites of quality (ie - not parked) is phenomenal, yet the domainers who come to Namepros only ever listen to misery misery misery from a few people who have a very strict agenda and hatred against the extension.

That small domainer to domainer loss of confidence is baffling to many. Especially those who further up the food chain are getting the four and five figure offers and sales. The domainer to domainer market, although normally in an area of $5 to $75 range is VERY important as it ensures that many can take a gamble on a name for nine or ten months before selling a name on ( mostly for a similar or sightly lower figure) thus helping the whole TV domain market complete a full and important revolution.

 

[snoop]

But that doesnt mean he's right or that .tv wont breakout. To my mind the "real" market isnt the circle-jerk domainers do flipping names to one another but instead is how many names are used as part of a real website or other bona fide use. That doesnt mean PPC except for those very few names generating enough real traffic to earn their keep.

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Depends how often you look. I see one for about every hour of browsing, definitely 2-3 times as often as a couple years ago.

The thing is, it has been 10 years, if .tv was really going to "break out" we'd probably have seen it by now. Instead it is an alt extension in niche market, it has a reasonable amount of usage. But the level of speculation has never justified that small market, especially in light of the holding costs.

When domainers (like you and me) won't pay anything very much for these names that is because confidence in it has been lost, whilst some of us will say there is a strong and fast growing enduser market very few of us (close to none) will put money to that statement in the forum of paying higher prices for domains/actively bidding on auctions. Instead of that the trend is for .tv domainers to drop most of their names and start talking about development as the cure. Supposedly these people are sheep and fools, yet they have lost alot of money, they were probably sheep when they invested in, not when they pulled out.

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That small domainer to domainer loss of confidence is baffling to many. Especially those who further up the food chain are getting the four and five figure offers and sales.

The people toward the top aren't going to tell you things are screwed, they have the most to lose. If they did have confidence though they'd be buying from those little guys.

 

[whitebark]

I like .tv though I no longer own any. I hate the premium pricing and won't buy one just because. Though I do see .tv the most besides .com and .ca being advertised here in North America - especially on television. I wouldn't be surprised if many end-users are interested right up to the point of learning their wanted domain will not only cost what the domainer wants for it - but a hefty renewal fee on top.

Happy New Year!

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

I just wanted to reiterate my thanks to those who post in the dot tv extension forum.

Some people constantly attempt to discourage my interest in the dot tv extension. Its funny because my interest in the extension extends back to a date before they hated the dot tv extension. In fact, those people who now denounce the extension once liked it very much to the extent of spending a lot of money on it.

While those people tell you that the premium pricing structure could be improved, there are many of us doing deals that involve premium dot names. Those deals are generating a decent amount of profit. You will not hear about the ones that generate significant money because the agreement that covers the transaction prevents all parties from disclosing its details, because not everyone wants to share what they sold a domain for with the public at large, or because of the unique type of agreement they negotiated, which may involve several payments over time in the form of an installment agreement where title to the domain may not transfer until all such payments are made.

In the event you are in the market for a premium dot tv name, use your head. Not all of us are advocating that you purchase any premium name that you can find. Only those that make good business sense for you.

 

[snoop]

Some people constantly attempt to discourage my interest in the dot tv extension. Its funny because my interest in the extension extends back to a date before they hated the dot tv extension.

I've disliked the extension since the year 2000, how long have you liked it for? What does it matter anyway how long you liked it for and how long naysayers have disliked it?

In fact, those people who now denounce the extension once liked it very much to the extent of spending a lot of money on it.

I think some are in that position which isn't surprising. Though I do wonder if you are getting back to your fantasy talk of a couple of months ago where you claim I had invested alot in .tv (despite me mocking it publically for the last 10 years).

While those people tell you that the premium pricing structure could be improved, there are many of us doing deals that involve premium dot names. Those deals are generating a decent amount of profit.

What matters is overall profit from a portfolio and the overall drop numbers tells a very different stroy about profitability from premium names.

You will not hear about the ones that generate significant money because the agreement that covers the transaction prevents all parties from disclosing its details, because not everyone wants to share what they sold a domain for with the public at large, or because of the unique type of agreement they negotiated, which may involve several payments over time in the form of an installment agreement where title to the domain may not transfer until all such payments are made.

It is the same old NDA arugument that alot of new tld cheerleaders bring up to explain almost no sales. This is no different to any other extension. The best proxy for sales is what does get reported, if almost nothing is reported you can bet the overall market isn't big and the fact is those who claim to be doing well from these names still will not pull out their checkbooks to any degree when it comes to auctions. Added to that sales like england.tv where alot is said about supposed big sales then the names strangely drops.

All the talk in the world will not hide the very obvious lack of sales.