.tv May 1st deadline coming quickly...

[dcmike77]

I, like many folks here, bought a few (or a lot) of premium names on May 1st when Enom released a slew of premium names never before available. I remember reading some members that bought 30+ names with the expectations that .tvs would be a whole lot farther along in the eyes of investors and in the resell market.

While .tvs have taken a big leap forward in exposure and value, premiums seem to have had the opposite effect and TAINTED the .tv extention if anything. They're harder to sell, create confusion for buyers, and overall drag down non-premiums as well.

That said, the renewal period is coming on May 1st. My question: will you be renewing?? If so why and why not. In my case, I may be dropping 50-75% of mine. Money down the drain, but would much rather invest in non-premiums only at this point. Good riddance!


-Mike

 

[snoop]

Snoop 1000 - 5000 is three zeros.

Thanks, perhap you can elaborate a bit more on the kind of ROI you have got overall from the premiums?

 

[MillersCrossing]

Thanks, perhap you can elaborate a bit more on the kind of ROI you have got overall from the premiums?

When you tell me how much your house is worth, how much you have in your bank account, any stocks, 401k and anything on the side.....i will disclose to you on a public forum exactly what my business is...

what i can tell you is this, i have made far far better returns from premiums than non premiums to date.......

 

[snoop]

When you tell me how much your house is worth, how much you have in your bank account, any stocks, 401k and anything on the side.....i will disclose to you on a public forum exactly what my business is...

what i can tell you is this, i have made far far better returns from premiums than non premiums to date.......

Millers, your own earnings is an issue that you are bringing up. Earlier in this thread I was talking a generally about this extension then you started talking about your own earnings. You've said you've made a 5 figure amount yet some of your earlier comments seem contradictory to what you are saying now which is why I was under the impression previously you were saying you'd made a loss, comments such as,

"your assuming that what I put up for sale today must always make a profit today - why?"

"Similarly who has made the golden rule that a one year time span is the absolute max before you have to declare whther you made a profit or a loss on your premium???"

"95% of my premos I bought with the imntention of renewing to atleast 2010, it was never a one year strategy - I think there is one I may let drop if I cant sell it, the rest I am happy to renewor bought outright for three years in 2006...."

What is the point of dodging around an issue that you yourself have brought up? Why is it so hard to clrafiy the comments you've already made? Why not just say if we are talking real profits here or just revenue?

 

[MillersCrossing]

ok snoop lets keep it real simple......all my premos were bought with the intention of keeping them - IF I HAD TO - to 2010 at which point i see .tv maturity

Some i have bought for development either on my own or in partnership, some for speculation......

i have done very well on the speculation side of premos - i have not had to wait to 2010 to make some very tidy profits - although unfortunately a major portion wwent to pay off my ex wifes spending sprees........i sold alot in 2007

if you are still unclear as to what amounts to a very simple statement, please do not ask me to explain anymore - i just might have a nervous breakdown

 

[snoop]

"i have done very well on the speculation side of premos - i have not had to wait to 2010 to make some very tidy profits"

So from that I take it you mean your total revenue from the .tv premiums is greater than total renewal fees paid (ie we are talking about overall profitability here, not individual sales), if so this is obviously a very good outcome and thanks for clarifying.

 

[smashfactory]

- let the chickens come home to roost!!

chickens??
roost??

 

[DomainAgency.com]

Snoop,

You keep generalizing all .tv premium names together. There is a very profitable niche when it comes to .TV in the video related and geo markets. Names that are conducive to what TV means worldwide. Many people bought bad premiums and in those cases I agree they will drop, but many did not. Many end users are building businesses on these names which will in turn create more .TV awareness. I know you are aware of the huge media companies worldwide that are adopting and using .TV for online content.

To end users 1,2 or even 5K per year is chump change for the distinct and credible generic branding that they can get with prime .TV domains. That is the point. Only in limited cases is it wise to buy and hold premiums as a pure "domainer". It can be done, but you need to be very careful and only pick a few select type of names.

To clarify. I have made several sales of premiums in the last 2 years as well as turned down several offers for premium city names that would have made me a mid xxxx profit. I've also made several sales of non premiums as well in the low to mid xxxx range. None of my sales were reported becasue the buyers were being very aggressive in this particular niche of the .TV market. So to generalize about the .tv space the way you do is inaccurate.

I can say this as far as making money flipping premiums:

I sold one 3K premium in the geo space for 5.7K 5 months after buying it. Equity can confirm this sale and knows what I'm talking about (he was not involved but knows about it).

I sold 2 1K premiums (both 2 letter .tv's) I had a total of 2k invested in them and sold them in two separate deals for 9K total last year (one for 5k one for 4K)

I turned down a mid xxxx offer for PalmSprings.tv a name a $500 premium picked up last May and a low xxxx offer for SantaMonica.tv *also a 500 premium)

Plus numerous other non premium sales that went unreported.

My point is this, and this has been said before:

For key generic .tv domains in the right space, you can make money, even with premiums.

For key generic domains with the right platform and business you can make money and many many companies are flooding into this space.

.TV at the premium level is primarily a developers extension. The remaining premiums I own with the exception of 2, are all being used for development and were bought for that purpose (they are all city names, one is over 1K per year, some at $500 a year and a few at $300 per year) Plus many that are non premium and reg fee.

The key is .TV has a much narrower focus then .com but it can be very effective and is continuing to grow and gain recognition by the consumer base. I have gotten great feedback from major businesses in some of the cites I'm developing through MCB.TV

Snoop, you bring valid points to the table but IMO you fail to ever want to give .TV its due in the places it makes sense. It is the TLD of choice next to .com when it comes to online media. That is a fact. Major companies will be putting millions behind its branding.

Does that mean all .TV names will be worth a lot of money? Certainly not, but it does mean if you use the TLD wisely and develop accordingly you will get amazing branding and credibility and that will only increase as more and more big companies brand .TV.

Snoop you are stuck in one mentality and that is okay, but the secret to unlocking .TV's riches is buying the right names and developing them, or buying the names that make sense for investment and holding and flipping them. .TV presents a huge opportunity for people and many outside the domaining community are realizing this. Some true "Domainers" who are smart will cash in on this in the coming years, but many others will be hurt by buying a lot of crap and holding big premiums with no development plans, but to lump all of them in with the ones who are successful is a mistake IMO. I feel unlike you Snoop I am presenting a balanced picture of the situation. It is not black or white as you seem to make it but there are many shades of gray in this space.

 

[MillersCrossing]

chickens??
roost??

Just a line from barack obamas level headed preacher!!

 

[rodash]

The whole point of the premiums and it is something that has been said over and over by the powers that be and reminded to us by Equity all the time is that premiums are not for the domainers, they were not created for domainers, they were created for developers. And for developers it is an awesome opportunity to create something really great and memorable that they would not have had in another extension.

Just to move away from the Millers VS Snoop discussion, I think this comment by Richard is worth responding to.

I personally don't think that premium TVs hold as much sway with developers as one might think. If you are a developer who's clever enough then it doesn't matter what name you start with (eg facebook, YouTube). In fact, the more obscure the name, the more it seems to go down well . Also, if you are a developer with deep pockets, again it doesn't matter what name it is because you can pay for traffic and build your site's profile that way. Conversely, if you are someone who knows little about developing sites and building traffic, then a premium dot TV name isn't going to help you much ... a premium dot com name might, but a premium TV won't.

I don't think cash-rich developers are going to rush out to buy premium TV domains over the next five to 10 years. Small players might, but they won't be paying the big dollars currently being asked. I wouldn't be sitting on TV premiums expecting dot com like returns in 10 years from now.

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[hullswingerscom]

i have just renew oxford.tv for two years after having a good offer for the name.
james am with you and your Cambridge these are names to hold...

 

[MillersCrossing]

i have just renew oxford.tv for two years after having a good offer for the name.
james am with you and your Cambridge these are names to hold...

Well done Sir!!