Statement By Dan on Epik!!

[Ostrados]

This statement was just released by Dan:

We’ve ignored many of their actions in the past, because we’re laser focused on executing our ambitious product roadmap. However, last Friday, Epik has taken their attacks of our brand to the next level by sending a fabricated story about us to over 100,000 contacts in a mass email. As of today, we still haven’t received an apology or explanation from them. Their primary goal with this email was to hurt our brand and to gain new customers and this attempt was pre-planned and announced by them in June 2020* (See exhibit #2).

Full statement:
https://blog.undeveloped.com/statement-about-recent-events-b7c875cc6314

Have anyone received that email from Epik attacking Dan? I wonder what is the fabricated story Dan taking about?

 

[Brands.International]

I was one of the 46 that received your “marketing” email and if you guys consider the content of that email to be marketing, I really suggest you hire some outside help.

Send out a campaign that talks about how good your platform is and why I should use your landers, don’t spend 3 paragraphs disparaging a competitor.

A registrar should be a neutral platform that instils a sense of security in its customers – I wouldn’t say Epik is doing either of those things right now (and it makes you guys look more like a used car lot than a tech company).

This is one of the few industries where the best competition is collaboration. We all have domains with multiple registrars and we all sell on multiple platforms. Keep things friendly and you’ll see success. Bothered by what another company is doing? Do it better and let your product speak for itself. I feel like DAN really excels at these two points.

Also, this “greater good” nonsense is ridiculous. If Epik was concerned about the greater good of the domain industry, it wouldn’t spend its time trying to take down innovator within in.

Figure it out, guys.

Words of wisdom

 

[frank-germany]

Last Saturday I moved to Sedo one of my domains from Dan (it was parked there a few months in Make Offer mode without any bids)... And it was sold on Monday's morning at BIN, German buyer.
Luck or not - it is hard to say... but definitely for consideration.

yeah , indeed
that shows how great sedo is

and dan is inferior.


get a brain!

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

The best times for Sedo are already in the past...
But their credibility is still the highest among others... at least in Europe.

 

[Michael Norris]

I've had domains listed in the past on Sedo for about a year and 1/2.... only ever made one sale there tho, and I only made it there because I received inbound inquiry through email and just happened to have the domain listed there already.

After that I had given up on Sedo and I had tried them again later on, but still with no results.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If your portfolio is mainly 2word .COMs - use Afternic/GoDaddy...
Sedo doesn't help in this niche.

 

[domainer111]

In life, there are occurring events -- but then their is the reaction to the original occurring event.

See you in six months!

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

At least corona will be the same in another six months...
I don't expect any aftermarket growth... Nowadays regfee domains are primary choice for most endusers.

 

[Michael Norris]

Aftermarket growth I think will keep coming... the market just made companies that had nothing to do with the technology sector go forward with technological advancements, and the ones who haven't will still need a domain name. It is frightening watching some of these current real business domain names expiring.... but really to me this market seems like no other.

If I could compare to a market it would be the lottery.

New regs are nice and all but if you're looking to build liquidity in that business / name then .com is the way to go and newly registering a million dollar name under .com extension (or any extention) isn't easy.

They will learn their mistakes, one by one, and will come to the aftermarket one way or another.

 

[jmcc]

All I understand is that DAN is 10 times bigger than epik.

It seems that DAN is also active in the ccTLDs. The daily stats from Domaintools tend to focus on gTLD transactions. DAN is not a registrar and Epik is a registrar. That means that they are fundamentally different businesses in that DAN is a sales/auction platform and Epik is selling domain name registration services but also has an element of domain name sales. There is a hidden depth to sales sites in that domain names may be listed for sale but not hosted on the nameservers for the sales site. This is also a major difference between a sales site and a registrar. The registrar has already made money from the sale of domain names as a registrar. Sales site either charge a fee for listing or, more commonly, take a percentage of the eventual sale.

And DAN is not yet a public registrar, about to become one in q4 2020.

That should be interesting.

Until then, epik's in trouble.

Until then, DAN is a sales/auction site and Epik is a registrar with a sales element. Unless the domain names on Epik that are on sale can be separated from the ordinary registrations, it is not a simple numerical comparison between DAN and Epik.

Regards...jmcc

 

[ecomslice]

Im with both Dan and Epik, I find they both have shined great things, and I personally have experienced both their faults listed in this dispute. as a customer I don't like feeling restricted, even things like no bulk auth codes, its cohersion and entrapment. its not fair trade and freedom or equality. and that IP ban is just pathetic.

That being said, after all these child games ( which I'm guilty of sometimes also )
It almost makes me consider resorting to my other two options, Godaddy or suicide.
Dan and Epik , smarten up.

 

[Ostrados]

@Rob Monster @DAN.COM

I am total neutral about this dispute and I see that you both messed up so bad.

First thing first, the biggest mistake from both of you is that you moved your dispute from private to public! you should discuss such disputes privately and work them out. There is nothing that cannot be solved by professional constructive discussion.

Dan should cooperate with competitors rather than acting defensively! Blocking of SAV.com domains and now blocking Epik staff IPs is disturbing! and is very alien to this industry, I have never seen any other company in the domains industry doing that. Also you must listen to criticism with open minds, and actually you should be thankful for community feedback and criticism because if you do listen and act according you will be stronger and more successful. This is the only way to compete in modern business, any business that does not adopt and does not change according to community feedback will eventually fail.

Epik on the hand acted very unprofessionally (the least thing that can be said about it), you do not promote your service by attacking your competitor directly with something like "Danger of Dan.com" that is absurd!! I also have never seen any company doing that!! You may indirectly criticize competitors BUT you should not name your competitor directly in a professional marketing email! and you should not bring a private dispute into a public marketing message. Focus more on your own business and stop distracting yourself with disputes, politics, conspiracy theories and other useless unfruitful stuff.

You should both apologize to each other, delete all public posts and shake hands.
I honestly wish that you work this out between you because we need both of you to succeed. You brought many bright innovations to this industry and I see that your success will be in the benefit of all of us.

 

[bookname]

@Rob Monster @DAN.COM

I am total neutral about this dispute and I see that you both messed up so bad.

First thing first, the biggest mistake from both of you is that you moved your dispute from private to public! you should discuss such disputes privately and work them out. There is nothing that cannot be solved by professional constructive discussion.

Dan should cooperate with competitors rather than acting defensively! Blocking of SAV.com domains and now blocking Epik staff IPs is disturbing! and is very alien to this industry, I have never seen any other company in the domains industry doing that. Also you must listen to criticism with open minds, and actually you should be thankful for community feedback and criticism because if you do listen and act according you will be stronger and more successful. This is the only way to compete in modern business, any business that does not adopt and does not change according to community feedback will eventually fail.

Epik on the hand acted very unprofessionally (the least thing that can be said about it), you do not promote your service by attacking your competitor directly with something like "Danger of Dan.com" that is absurd!! I also have never seen any company doing that!! You may indirectly criticize competitors BUT you should not name your competitor directly in a professional marketing email! and you should not bring a private dispute into a public marketing message. Focus more on your own business and stop distracting yourself with disputes, politics, conspiracy theories and other useless unfruitful stuff.

You should both apologize to each other, delete all public posts and shake hands.
I honestly wish that you work this out between you because we need both of you to succeed. You brought many bright innovations to this industry and I see that your success will be in the benefit of all of us.

Nice Speech from The secretary-general of the United Nations Domain

 

[Kingslayer]

The best times for Sedo are already in the past...
But their credibility is still the highest among others... at least in Europe.

Sedo whilst I’ve never personally sold a domain with them, top the weekly domain sales charts more than any other marketplace, so I’m not sure why you think the best times are behind them when they showing no signs of slowing down.

Re:- This thread, I’ve not read it all, but it seems like every month we have a controversial thread on Epik, everything from Racism/Covid/bad mouthing competitors (and other things), Epik are right in the middle of it, having threads with ‘Epik’ in the titles linked to these subjects, that is ‘most popular this week’ on NamePros.

I do think Epik thrive of this controversy though and see it as promotion, but that’s not the way I see it, negativity is never good and controversy is never good, it just makes a company look 2nd rate and someone you can never fully trust and I think that’s why I still don’t have an account with them yet.

Epik needs to be less controversial and get rid of this ‘negativity’ if they ever want to be as big as GoDaddy/Sedo, just my thoughts.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I compare my own results on Sedo... past and since 2015 (especially since July'2019)...
2 different pictures.

 

[boker]

It seems that DAN is also active in the ccTLDs. The daily stats from Domaintools tend to focus on gTLD transactions. DAN is not a registrar and Epik is a registrar. That means that they are fundamentally different businesses in that DAN is a sales/auction platform and Epik is selling domain name registration services but also has an element of domain name sales. There is a hidden depth to sales sites in that domain names may be listed for sale but not hosted on the nameservers for the sales site. This is also a major difference between a sales site and a registrar. The registrar has already made money from the sale of domain names as a registrar. Sales site either charge a fee for listing or, more commonly, take a percentage of the eventual sale.

That should be interesting.

Until then, DAN is a sales/auction site and Epik is a registrar with a sales element. Unless the domain names on Epik that are on sale can be separated from the ordinary registrations, it is not a simple numerical comparison between DAN and Epik.

Regards...jmcc

I don't think that somebody can count on the few cents made after paying the ICANN and verisign fees. They count to make more money if the customer will make an aftermarket sale or build a website. In the meantime, you can compare domains hosted: Dan: 1.430.000 domains, Epik 310.000 domains; domains for sale, Dan, 7.000.000, Epik 648.000.

 

[Bonsu]

That's too easy Rob. He claims it's part of his personal issues with Dan yet he takes his grudge to bother your customers. It's not something done just on the weekend, it's an ongoing grudge by one of your staff members.

The claims are pathetic really. Just because some of your ips have been blocked doesn't mean this will have any impact on your sellers. I have yet to see any proof of mass blocking of ips. And if it really is a problem for you, as your personal ips are blocked , you are all tech savvy enough to use a vpn. Problem solved.

As for the supposed API issue. If there really is one, and there has been a data breach, Dan would be required to report that by law. If they don't and your employee has evidence, there are proper channels to report this to.

I cannot stress enough that bothering your customers with personal issues you have with another company and stooping to this level is absolutely not ok. No matter what the arguments are.



So do they actually refuse to transfer SAV registered names? I have a hard time believing that. I can understand they don't want to work with them but you don't have to work with a company to get a domain out.

Dan does not accept a push from SAV

 

[jmcc]

I don't think that somebody can count on the few cents made after paying the ICANN and verisign fees. They count to make more money if the customer will make an aftermarket sale or build a website.

Yep. Domain names have always been an entry point for the registrars to upsell the customer to hosting or other services.

Regards...jmcc

 

[boker]

Yep. Domain names have always been an entry point for the registrars to upsell the customer to hosting or other services.

Regards...jmcc

I think that if @DAN.COM will build a registrar on minimum prices, a few cents on top of fees, to cover expenses, they could hit the jackpot, with a prelisting agreement that they will handle everything in a fraction of the time. It could be like an afternic fast transfer with much better customer service for buyers and no headache for sellers, with payouts in a few hours( they can handle the push, they have the auth codes) and 25% of afternic fees.

 

[dirk]

I think that if @DAN.COM will build a registrar on minimum prices, a few cents on top of fees, to cover expenses, they could hit the jackpot, with a prelisting agreement that they will handle everything in a fraction of the time. It could be like an afternic fast transfer with much better customer service for buyers and no headache for sellers, with payouts in a few hours( they can handle the push, they have the auth codes) and 25% of afternic fees.

They've said earlier on they will be offering domains at cost. For a registrar their size that would be a gamechanger. And yes, domain delivery within minutes. Can't wait.

 

[oldtimer]

On the subject of fair competition and fair trade,

Who is making all these fake bids at some of the sales platforms (and also auctions) and why is it that some platforms are having more than their fair share of these fake bids.

This is the biggest thing that has plagued the domain Industry, whether these fake bids are by random (which I doubt it) or are being done purposely as a part of a conspiracy to undermine the competition (or in the case of auctions to drive up the prices) it needs to be looked at more closely.

IMO