domains Someone needs to stop Roy Flanders’ domain names from expiring

[equity78]

Hopefully Enom or someone else can step up but the domains of a domain investor who passed away are expiring and it needs to stop. Ron Jackson wrote about Roy Flanders back in December of 2016. sadly Roy passed away. I did not know the man personally but for those that did he seemed to be really a great guy. In 2012 he donated $250,000 to the Nantucket Cottage Hospital's Annual Fund. It was a … [Read more...]

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Right they don't have to be liquidated, my point was that the daughter, who I don't know, might not have the financial wherewithal to renew 3,400 domain names, and that Ari who is a trusted domain lawyer could help her to liquidate some names to meet renewals or look I am sure there might be some garbage that is worth dropping. GreatNames.com and echecking.com were not, so I believe if Ari had said you need to spend $20 and renew these two names, and here is why, she would have done that.

It sounds like you have noble enough intentions and I'm glad about that. Hopefully whoever is in control of the names can renew them if they want as a result, or not as the case may be.

Sounds like the guy wasn't short of money, what with him being able to donate such a huge sum to charity. Maybe $25k is a drop in the ocean to his family .

Does domainiq reveal a load of garbage or are there a lot of prime looking names in there?

 

[strong]

Very true, but what it looks like Maple is that Roy did have a plan, and it was with DomainGuardians which now looks defunct, just says go to Evergreen, Mike Robertson and Jen Sale started DomainGuardians, Evergreen is Adam Strong and Jen Sale now.

Where did you come up with this ? If Roy had a plan it was not with Domain Guardians.

 

[HotKey]

Vultures? It would be his daughter liquidating and benefiting from the sales, much better option than GoDaddy benefiting. And actually no he did not want to let them just expire, turns out he had set something up with DomainGuardians and Mike Robertson posted he is on the case now and contacting the daughter as well.

So, daughter would be liquidating.. and getting profits instead of GD. Ok. So to whom would these domains be liquidated to? Who determines that? Would it just be a lucky few getting access to these high-quality domains at rock-bottom prices?

The expiration process gives all a fair opportunity. I don't think it would be wise to mess with that.

I don't know the man either, but I'm sure we've all had our great moments doing something great for others, however there doesn't seem to be anything nefarious about passing away and letting the domains run the legitimate expiration course.

If there was a continuation method in place, such as a family member having access to accounts or another entity taking over, than of course that option must be explored, however barring that we can't just stop names from being expired, even if the man didn't want them to be.

 

[equity78]

Where did you come up with this ? If Roy had a plan it was not with Domain Guardians.

If you read the post you would see that's what Brian Wick said he had a conversation with him about, and apparently Mike Robertson was talking to the daughter a couple years back.

https://www.thedomains.com/2019/05/...rs-domain-names-from-expiring/#comment-230217

 

[equity78]

So, daughter would be liquidating.. and getting profits instead of GD. Ok. So to whom would these domains be liquidated to? Who determines that? Would it just be a lucky few getting access to these high-quality domains at rock-bottom prices?

The expiration process gives all a fair opportunity. I don't think it would be wise to mess with that.

I don't know the man either, but I'm sure we've all had our great moments doing something great for others, however there doesn't seem to be anything nefarious about passing away and letting the domains run the legitimate expiration course.

If there was a continuation method in place, such as a family member having access to accounts or another entity taking over, than of course that option must be explored, however barring that we can't just stop names from being expired, even if the man didn't want them to be.

All of these names are not expired, Ari and Rob Grant will try to work with Roy's daughter to get them renewed, if some have to be sold to pay for renewals that will be the daughter's choice.

 

[equity78]

So Adam Strong cleared everything up on TheDomains, Roy was not a client of Domain Guardians, so Brian Wick misunderstood. Thanks Adam.

https://www.thedomains.com/2019/05/...rs-domain-names-from-expiring/#comment-230255

 

[strong]

If you read the post you would see that's what Brian Wick said he had a conversation with him about, and apparently Mike Robertson was talking to the daughter a couple years back.

https://www.thedomains.com/2019/05/...rs-domain-names-from-expiring/#comment-230217

Yea I read a bunch of hearsay. Drop me a line next time

I hope I cleared up enough stuff on your blog. To add it here :

Mike hasn't been with DG since 2016.
"A couple of years back" means it would have been after his departure from Domain Guardians.

There are no services currently being offered by Domain Guardians.

Roy was not a contracted client of Domain Guardians ever.

I sincerely hope that Roy's daughter sorts this out. Jen and I (and I'm guessing even Mike) are available to help out if needed. It seems like everyone is willing to lend a hand here. I see that Ron Jackson believes that Ari, Ammar and Rob Grant are figuring it all out.

 

[equity78]

Yea I read a bunch of hearsay. Drop me a line next time

I hope I cleared up enough stuff on your blog. To add it here :

Mike hasn't been with DG since 2016.
"A couple of years back" means it would have been after his departure from Domain Guardians.

There are no services currently being offered by Domain Guardians.

Roy was not a contracted client of Domain Guardians ever.

I sincerely hope that Roy's daughter sorts this out. Jen and I (and I'm guessing even Mike) are available to help out if needed. It seems like everyone is willing to lend a hand here. I see that Ron Jackson believes that Ari, Ammar and Rob Grant are figuring it all out.

Yeah I posted here and thanked you on TheDomains. Brian Wick said they spoke all the time he was the one who mentioned DomainGuardians.

I contacted Ron Jackson at 6 am this morning by email he contacted Ari, Ammar and Rob.

 

[mr-x]

Some people have bad intentions, they're opportunists. That is all the perceived push back is....

It goes without saying that I wish for the best outcome for his family and to his portfolio.

It is more likely Roy's family / daughter didn't understand the value of his portfolio. His friends and other trying to help may be motivated by something besides empathy but what does that matter if the family gets the benefit.

 

[platey]

What??? He has a daughter, they will get the account under control, get names renewed and can talk to her how she can liquidate and have the money go to her instead of GoDaddy. Pretty sure he would have rather had his daughter get the proceeds from GreatNames.com and echecking.com yesterday.

There are about 6 other people working on this now as well.

Because of the situation causing the domains to expire etc

Someone like godaddy should contact the relevant registrar and pick up the tab for all renewals for the next 2 years which buys a years time to have a chat with whoever Roy left his portfolio to and explain the situation and let them know the value of the portfolio and if the cash is needed etc a registrar should offer a loan facility against the portfolio etc which would be taken back when the odd domain can be sold in a managed manner thus keeping the portfolio together as I'm sure it's original owner would have wanted etc

And I know that not everyone would do this but most would give the domain back in exchange for their money back if they knew the circumstances as to why the domain name expired etc and under normal circumstances the domain names would not have become available

There should be

Domain name insurance

With every domain name purchased

The domain name insurance would renew all domains and or offer a

Domain name management service that is overseen by a board of long term domain name investors brokers and registrars etc

Even now decades after the early days of domain names etc more

Domain name infrastructure needs to be added

Eg

Domain name insurance

Domain name portfolio management

Domain name pawnbrokers

More brokers that sell average domain names which will add liquidity to the domain name industry as a whole

But with big cheese domain name investors and the many legal bods in the domain name industry this situation should be sorted out very quickly for the sake of the late man's estate and his wishes

 

[MadAboutDomains]

The man died from a long illness. As a man that clearly knows about domains to the point that he even goes to domain conventions, what makes everyone think that he didn't make his own plans for the names before his passing and that he executed those plans?

 

[cooljub]

I still suggest if Registrars can create an option of next of kin email so when a domain is not renewed on time, an email can be sent to notify the person.

It would be nice, and might be the right thing to do, but of course would also mean the registrar would not get the proceeds themselves. I wonder if we'll see that happening against the tide of greed culture in the corporate world? I'd be surprised.

 

[frank-germany]

That is why you should pay epik to secure your domain for life, but then yet again, you should let someone else know your account password

and make sure that "for life" doesn't mean
"life of epik"
but life of "whom ?"
the guy is dead

 

[myfavorite]

Roy's daughter has recovered GreatNames.com $25,000 sale and eChecking.com $1,325 sale.

Good to hear that. Thanks

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Ron Jackson let me know that three of Roy's best friends in the business, Rob Grant, Ammar Kubba and Ari Goldberger are all working on this now.

Aiming for what outcome? They can't just stay in a man's account forever when he's sadly died.

 

[xynames]

The thing about domains is that they are not a turn key asset like gold or cash or even real estate, assuming they are good names in the first place, they become either a lump of coal or a diamond depending on whose hands they are left in.

 

[korganian]

Because of the situation causing the domains to expire etc

Someone like godaddy should contact the relevant registrar and pick up the tab for all renewals for the next 2 years which buys a years time to have a chat with whoever Roy left his portfolio to and explain the situation and let them know the value of the portfolio and if the cash is needed etc a registrar should offer a loan facility against the portfolio etc which would be taken back when the odd domain can be sold in a managed manner thus keeping the portfolio together as I'm sure it's original owner would have wanted etc

And I know that not everyone would do this but most would give the domain back in exchange for their money back if they knew the circumstances as to why the domain name expired etc and under normal circumstances the domain names would not have become available

There should be

Domain name insurance

With every domain name purchased

The domain name insurance would renew all domains and or offer a

Domain name management service that is overseen by a board of long term domain name investors brokers and registrars etc

Even now decades after the early days of domain names etc more

Domain name infrastructure needs to be added

Eg

Domain name insurance

Domain name portfolio management

Domain name pawnbrokers

More brokers that sell average domain names which will add liquidity to the domain name industry as a whole

But with big cheese domain name investors and the many legal bods in the domain name industry this situation should be sorted out very quickly for the sake of the late man's estate and his wishes

Just combine a will and life insurance and you will insure that there are instructions and funding to carry out those instructions.

 

[platey]

Just combine a will and life insurance and you will insure that there are instructions and funding to carry out those instructions.

Exactly but few have that in place and even fewer will be able to afford to put the funding in place

As the early domain name investors that were investing in domain names late 80'sand 90's etc will be getting on in years etc this situation will be more frequent but we will eventually see different examples of how of domain name investors leave digital assets to people that do not understand what they are and or there value etc

I would suppose people will leave domain names in trust of some sort or as a digital asset hedge fund

The same situation will also affect crypto currency investors that bought bitcoin early doors and 10p each and didn't sell at £15k each but sat on them and still own them etc