alert SCAM ALERT: Domain owner of VACK.com (QRCODES.COM, PREMIERMORTGAGES.COM, LWAM.com) is a SCAMMER. Don't deal with him

[rathish]

Long story short:

I saw the domain name VACK.com listed at 900$ starting bid here on Namepros, & I offered 500$ (NET) to the seller @Drunker through private message, he accepted my offer & asked me to PayPal him to his PayPal ID ([email protected]). I paid him 525$ (25$ extra to cover the PayPal fees) and asked him to push it to my Epik.com account & he went silent for 24 hours. After that, I checked Whois.com & the domain name VACK.COM was in pending transfer out status. So, I went ahead and alerted the Mods & raised a dispute on PayPal. Now the domain name has been moved to Spaceship by the seller & I got the below response from the seller to my PayPal mail ID

"
Dear Rathish

Unfortunately the domain was sold (at higher price) before your email

You will be refunded in due course

Unfortunately currently I am too short of money due to missed domain sales to end users (which is why i was selling in 1st place) so am unable to repay right now.
But you will be refunded in full in due course

I had to do it as otherwise I watch my good domains expire & get deleted while I watch helpless.
Cash flow problems

I am also homeless, sleeping rough – to save money to renew domains instead of wasting on rent.

Also I will no longer be posting on Namepros

Sometimes the truth is ugly

Hope you understand why it happened


Sincerely
"


And on the PayPal dispute page, once I attached his email's screenshot, he placed a comment below

"Anyone can fake an email message"

"This dispute is regarding a digital/virtual transaction Any scammer can later claim they didn't receive it Or even fake email messages Or they can alter details to look like they didn't receive it"

But the thing is that he made a mistake by sending me the above mail from his registered PayPal email (Maybe he is a new person to scam biz), & I offered PayPal representatives to give my mail ID and password for them to log in to my Gmail & verify the above mail


So, this person is a scammer, & Avoid doing business with this person at any cost. He also owns other domains like QRCODES.COM, PREMIERMORTGAGES.COM, and LWAM.COM & he may try to sell and scam other buyers like he had done to me.

"AVOID DOING BUSINESS WITH HIM AT ANY COST, YOU WILL NOT GET THE DOMAIN NAME AND HE WILL TAKE YOUR FUNDS"

This case is still pending dispute on PayPal. I will keep the thread updated with the status

(NOTE: I HAD ATTACHED THE FULL NAMEPROS CONVERSATION PAGE & HIS MAIL TO ME WITH THIS THREAD)

 

[rathish]

@Alfa Mod Team @Echo Mod Team, kindly look at this issue

 

[Gabriel360]

Sorry about your experience.

Next time, use a marketplace. Atom offers an option to do a transaction for 4.5% of the transaction amount. That'll be about $523 total for a $500 transaction like this one.

Always use an escrow service. That reduces the need for trust and the potential for fraud.

In any online transaction, I always use a payment system where the other party does not need to trust me and I do not need to trust them to conduct a transaction.

I agreed with someone here to acquire a domain name for $1,500. They went silent when I asked them to initiate the transaction through Atom.

Again, sorry about your experience. In the future, use an escrow service for all your transactions even if you think they are small. You may be trustworthy and honest but not everyone on the internet is trustworthy and honest. Protect your money/assets.

 

[alcy]

afternic link.. 5p..good
sedo...3p.. untried
unstoppable..3p..untried
dyna link...5p.. good

probably more but u dont need more

 

[URL Stream]

afternic link.. 5p..good
sedo...3p.. untried
unstoppable..3p..untried
dyna link...5p.. good

probably more but u dont need more

Escrow.com

 

[alcy]

Escrow.com

I tried listing lowest
cause paying more than 5p with 5 companies doing 5p or less is opposite of smart

what does escrow charge? I forgot

 

[URL Stream]

@alcy

 

[alcy]

@alcy

Show attachment 275768

nice
sounds not bad
only used em once
20k gd offer sale
as always gd ripped me good
I got 16k from it

but I had no choice.. no lead email

i guess if u add lead it's way cheaper

 

[Echo Mod Team]

Update:
The Members account has been restricted for security reasons until a refund has been confirmed.

please let us know once you have received the refund.

For internal use ONLY: https://www.namepros.com/warnings/114470/
For internal use ONLY: https://www.namepros.com/conversations/messages/6248798/
For internal use ONLY: https://www.namepros.com/conversations/vack-com-domain-purchase-something-fishy.3403498/

 

[Daniel Owens]

@rathish Hope this gets sorted out. Mind if I ask how many days you've been battling this?
The DMs images look like 5 days; however, the sketchy part is saying he won't refund you and also that he transfered-out and sold to someone else.

 

[rathish]

@rathish Hope this gets sorted out. Mind if I ask how many days you've been battling this?
The DMs images look like 5 days; however, the sketchy part is saying he won't refund you and also that he transfered-out and sold to someone else.

Hi, I trusted this person until yesterday, & when I saw the domain was pending transfer out yesterday, I informed the Mods here & raised a dispute on PayPal yesterday. Today morning I received this mail from the person saying he can't provide the refund now (he said he will pay me in due course), and also he added that he sold this domain to someone else before my mail (And I am sure that's a lie)

 

[johnn]

Lesson learned. Next time don't buy anything from a Drunker.

 

[draco]

Unless he forges some proof that you received the domain, PayPal should cover you. If he does that, contact the Registrar and let them know he's forging documents. I don't think PayPal will consider his saying you did receive it as proof of anything.

I actually just won a PayPal dispute for a domain not received. Bought it on eBay. eBay doesn't cover digital goods, so they sent me to PayPal. The Seller never responded, so it was easy for them to decide.

 

[alcy]

Unless he forges some proof that you received the domain, PayPal should cover you. If he does that, contact the Registrar and let them know he's forging documents. I don't think PayPal will consider his saying you didn't receive it as proof of anything.

I actually just won a PayPal dispute for a domain not received. Bought it on eBay. eBay doesn't cover digital goods, so they sent me to PayPal. The Seller never responded, so it was easy for them to decide.

do u know if buyer can do chargeback if he picks the family and friends send option??? to pay for domain

 

[Daniel Owens]

do u know if buyer can do chargeback if he picks the family and friends send option??? to pay for domain

Generally, you cannot chargeback a PayPal Friends and Family payment23. This payment method is designed for transactions between trusted individuals, where money is being sent as a gift or reimbursement, not for purchasing goods or services
You might be able to contact the bank though and they might do something. there is no PayPal Buyer Protection on personal payment (friends and family) a dispute for non receipt of an item or a dispute for an item significantly not as described cannot be opened. However, It is possible to open a claim for an unauthorized transaction (doing that is sketchy if you paid to say you didn't authorize it might even be illegal).

 

[Daniel Owens]

do u know if buyer can do chargeback if he picks the family and friends send option??? to pay for domain

Why did this happen to you?

 

[alcy]

Why did this happen to you?

no
but asking buyer to pay this way could solve all domainer direct paypal payments everyone speaks of

no??

 

[Daniel Owens]

no
but asking buyer to pay this way could solve all domainer direct paypal payments everyone speaks of

no??

It's a matter of choice.

 

[Businessdrill]

I was crypto scammed for $300 last year and I raised paypal dispute the seller claimed it was a gift and won the dispute, after few days
I sent email to paypal CEO and within 24 hours my money came back to my paypal

 

[rathish]

@Alfa Mod Team @Echo Mod Team, still this person didn’t refund my money