Scam Alert - Beware of Sriram Gopalan

[Verysassyc]

Hello!!!

I've had a frustrating week...

Last week I sold my domain name on Sedo insurance.casino for $$$$ to Sriram Gopalan. He immediately wanted a receipt with my signature. (Red flags are going up.) I waited and waited and no payment...then I decided to do a name look up and I found my domain for sale on Dan.com with Sriram Gopalan listed as the owner.
I contacted Sedo and they said that his cc was rejected due to security reasons. They would try a wire transfer and then cancel the escrow.

I CONTACTED DAN.COM (See below)
Sriram Gopalan is selling insurance.casino on your site.

He bought the domain from me on Sedo over a week ago... but has yet to pay for it...so he should not be selling a domain name he does not own.
Their reply:

Thank you for notifying us.

Please grant a print screen of the domain residing in your registrars account and I will make sure to remove the domain for you.


What kind of security does DAN.COM use??? I guess anyone can sell a domain without verification??? Why am I on the hook to provide them with proof of ownership??? HEY DAN.COM - SHOULDN'T SRIRAM GOPALAM BE PROVING HIS OWNERSHIP OF THE DOMAIN???

PS Everyone...it is STILL UP FOR SALE!!!!

 

[equity78]

@DAN.COM

 

[tonyk2000]

...I am sorry I have emotions...I'll try harder next time...

Take it easy Incorrect listings do happen. This is life.
But, still -
innocent until proven guilty
- a good rule. So I'd also tag @Sedo , even though they do not visit the forum frequently.

 

[Verysassyc]

It happens to me, i just send the proof of my ownership to DAN and problem solved within 24h

Omg...I didn't ask for anyone to try to solve this for me...I am just letting you know what happened.

 

[Chacha Wixard]

I am also not Ok with Dan.com's lack of verification.
Thank you!!!!

I agree with that. Here what should be done on technical side. If Epik @Rob Monster has done that, I will give 2 thumbs up! I do not think in NP we need this since most domains that is on sale/auction on NP are on liquid prices.

- On putting domain up in DAN/Afternic/Epik/GoDaddy/etc (marketplace website) if the domain is not from the same registrar (internally they can check ownership), owner has to "proof" it.

- Proofing can be just simple adding record in DNS, or file in web server. Of course adding TXT record does not really proof the user is the owner. It can be admin access. Marketplace website needs to check it. This can be done by script/program. This is how Google does ownership proof on Google Webmaster website.

- Marketplace website will need to monitor it 247 by checking if the record (above) still in place. If the record has gone, they need to drop it from sale. If the domain is expiring, on day one, they need to drop it from sale. I see this is hard to do, or Marketplave website is lazy to do it.

- From registrar stand point, when ownership has changed, they need to try to wipe these records. If there is a TXT pointing to GoDaddy, DAN, Afternic, they need to warn the new owner. Keep it, or remove them all.

 

[Verysassyc]

When someone here tags someone with @ it's so they come into the thread and answer the questions of the person who started the thread. If not they may not see it and not comment. Reza is @DAN.COM so he can come in and address your comments here.

I got it ...Thank you!!! I saw your quote and I misunderstood your intentions.

 

[Mary Muse]

Not sure what part of you being a woman is irrelevant you didn't understand. You're just trying to throw everyone under the bus lol

Later

 

[SirDrago]

You need to modify the thread title and not lump DAN with your supposed deadbeat buyer. DAN did nothing wrong and you are clearly taking it out on them.

Perhaps instead of barking orders you could assist the situation by suggesting a better resolve.

@Verysassyc
I sent you a (PM) private message.

 

[Internet.Domains]

@Verysassyc should not have to supply the burden of proof to @dan. She is not listing on DAN. The burden of proof should go to the party listing on DAN.

Let's not complicate something so simple.

 

[SirDrago]

Yes. I agree. But what if you just catched a dropped domain and need to remove from marketplace? You will need to proof your ownership right?

No.
The previous owner is still responsible for commissions if the domain sells but can't deliver the domain.
I have several domains that are listed by previous owners. If they sell the domain it's still mine and I couldn't care less about the previous owners lack of responsibility.
I don't need to prove SH*T.

 

[tonyk2000]

It's not that simple. To list the domain the dan.com user already made a claim of ownership now the OP is making a claim of ownership. So since the OPs claim is more recent why shouldn't she be the one with the burden of proof?

What if the 2nd claim is from somebody who is not DAN customer, and is not looking to sell the domain on DAN? Why would the real owner send an ID or screenshot or anything to somebody they have no business relationships with? Yeah, sometimes it may be easier. In this particular case especially. Making a screenshot and attaching it to email is just ~`30 seconds. But it should not be considered as an obligation. DAN might well request ownership proof from their current customer (who listed the domain) instead...

 

[Chacha Wixard]

ONLY if you're trying to sell it at the same venue.
If not don't lose any sleep over it.

Well here the problem. My registrar is ALSO put that domain on sale. Weird right? I did not know it came from Afternic. Domain was on Dyna as my registrar. I was afraid that somone accidentally checkout my domain. So I contacted Dyna and they said the sale from Afternic. So I had to contact Afternic and removing there with proof if owenership.

 

[SirDrago]

Then let her prove its sitting in her account. That simple.

She stated she listed it on sedo but the non paying buyer listed it on Dan.... Why the hell does she "The owner" have to prove anything at all?

 

[Mary Muse]

Biggest point you're missing....

Brokers sell domains that they do not own for others via their DAN account.

You do not need to be the registered owner to list.

I have domains listed in my portfolio that I do not own, at the request of the owners.

Why?

I get exposure to my portfolio that they wouldn't.

 

[Shamiul]

We can feel you. But I think you should at least remove the Dan Staff's photo. If you don't, that innocent guy will soon be indexed on Google with these tags, which isn't good for him.

 

[PriyankaS]

Btw is it me only? Who likes dan way of hassle free listing. Compare to sedo and afternic's lethargic system of confirmation which can be really tiring.

 

[SirDrago]

Domains like gadget.supplies available to handregister so This could also be because Sriram may have owned and listed these names years before and he just didn't removed his names from dan which happens and can happen with lot of us.

The person who listed the domain name is still responsible for fees if that domain sells on that platform. Read the TOS.

Btw is it me only? Who likes dan way of hassle free listing. Compare to sedo and afternic's lethargic system of confirmation which can be really tiring.

Hassle "Free" is not always a good thing.
Here's a little secret but don't tell anyone...
You can go to these "Brandable" market platforms and search for the most expensive domains listed and two minutes later hand reg them for $6 because their listed by fake owners.
Shhhhh that's our secret.

 

[karmaco]

You don't need to provide Dan with ANYTHING.
If the above domain name is sitting nice and cozy in your account you can tell Dan to go F themselves.
You have it listed at sedo which requires owners verification. Since no money was deposited in your bank the domain remains in your account.
So Dan and the fake owner can go fly a kite.
You are NOT responsible for providing proof of ownership to a venue you had/ have no association with.

You most certainly are required to show proof if you expect them to pry a name from someone else’s DAN account. Anybody can claim a domain is now theirs. Apparently it did belong to this guy 4 years ago. So yes current proof of ownership is required. If anybody can have any domain removed from DAN just by huffing and puffing that would be a real issue. People could get other people’s names removed out of spite.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

Mid 2018 I hand regged a domain and tried to list on Dan and found out someone else added it in their account. I informed them and they fixed quickly and moved the name to my account. It is very easy to fix.

 

[NickB]

Am I the only who finds this thread a joke and completely out of order?

The OP has slandered a company and a person without a shred of proof and this is acceptable?

This guy was the previous owner and failed to remove a listing, very annoying but not illegal.

He then failed to make a payment, very unprofessional, annoying and not cool

BUT calling him a scammer without proof is crossing a line and the OP needs to apologise and get this thread or her slanderous posts removed.....

 

[NickB]

Yes, Dan confirmed the listing is old. The previous owner seems to need the domain a lot since he was willing to pay 4400 for it. I believe @Mod Team Alfa @Mod Team Echo @Mod Team Bravo @Mod Team Foxtrot should fix this thread, the title and some of the contents.

Might have had a bid on another platform? Or a direct offer? Or just really like the name.....also considering the process with Sedo has not even been completed yet, who is to say the buyer will not pay via wire transfer?

Some people do not check their cc balances as regular as they should and are not the quickest of payers....

whatever the case may be hopefully the mods sort this thread out.....

 

[NickB]

"gaslighting" & "emotional woman"

Your phrases that you have used when people say something you don't agree with.......

You have accused someone of being a scammer without a shred of evidence......

Saying people have called you an "emotional woman" is a downright lie and accusing people of gaslighting when they disagree with you is also unacceptable .

Just stop with the baseless accusations

 

[tonyk2000]

Try to list a domain you don't own at Sedo.com, and let me know if you are successful.

By the way, a good implementation would mean that the rules are the same for all sellers. Even for big sellers. Afaik Sedo allows _some_ sellers to add domains without dns verification (I've seen hugedomains adding my domain to their sedo account a few times in a raw, even after I added it to my sedo acct. with appropriate dns record).
So, DAN should think of a better implementation:
- one rule for all
- apply it for existing domains as well, rechecking the things periodically

 

[Sutruk]

There are some scenarios where a TXT verification won't be sufficient. For example, DNS settings move when you transfer a domain. Having the verification txt record (knowingly or unknowingly) of another seller active for a recently purchased domain, will still cause issues.

In this case, the new owner would have it very easy to change the TXT DNS records.
You cannot say this method is not sufficient, because it works in 99% of the cases.
I understand that for you is more easy to let people upload 1000 domains without verification, because it's a lot faster for the sellers.
But, this method is not professional in any way, having the TXT DNS record verification method available.
By doing this you let growing your domain listings very fast, but also you know that some buyers can pay for a domain not owned by your seller, and this won't give a good image to your company neither.
This is just what I think. Of course you will do what you think it's better for your business.

 

[equity78]

Try to list a domain you don't own at Sedo.com, and let me know if you have success.
Sedo.com, and even Godaddy.com, are using TXT DNS record validation to validate domain ownership (Godaddy for domains not registered with them). And they have been doing this kind of verification already from some time ago.

I have had success, it was actually a typo a name I did not own, it sat there for a couple days and then it was accepted. The first and only time in 23 years of domaining I bought a typo at Name.com and then it sold, the correct spelling. It absolutely was accepted without me doing anything and the real owner did not have the name parked at Sedo.

 

[alcy]

maybe a case of previous owner of this domain trying to buy it back from you for some reason? i say this cause his dan listing is pretty old one... certainly older than the time he bought it on sedo from you.

hope you get paid. but imo its just not the case of someone listing on dan after they bought (without paying) from you. so really, all this imo should be more about your sedo sale... and getting paid there... rather than an old dan listing. gl. cheers