status-duplicate Rob Monster bought Namepros without paying a dime.

[johnn]

Many of you like Rob Monster because the information that he posted. But many did not realize that he SPAMS the forums whenever he has a chance.
- Spamming/Promoting his company everywhere
- He also hired a team here and tell them to spam the forums also.
Too much is too much and this needed to be stopped.
- OP asked about Godaddy who is privacy. He inserted an Epik link
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...rom-godaddy-to-namesilo.1166442/#post-7531080
And many more:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/what-will-happen-to-our-domains-when-we-die.1167187/#post-7530982

He even inserted a link from Webhostingtalk.com which considers Namepros competitor.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is...like-in-the-digital-age.1167212/#post-7530874

I don't hate the guy. It's just spamming too much or he may have some mental problems?

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NamePros moderator response:

• https://www.namepros.com/posts/7532889

 

[jmcc]

This isn’t a casino. Rules apply..

It was far worse in the 1990s and before the grace periods. Being completely cynical, the rules in the domain name business are more like guidelines than regulations.

Regards...jmcc

 

[sharfab]

Thats my point exactly they can afford that, someone like me, can't...

Rob also mentioned earlier that he will not get his Verisign rebate money till February. That's a long time waiting...

 

[Keith]

It was far worse in the 1990s and before the grace periods. Being completely cynical, the rules in the domain name business are more like guidelines than regulations.

Regards...jmcc

We can’t rely on “far worse” to guide us.

You, I, and other trustworthy people can define the rules moving forward. You in?!

 

[Kai W.]

Why didn't I get harassed by the @Rob Monster spam? Did ROB ignore me? Oh no i need to be valued too

 

[jmcc]

We can’t rely on “far worse” to guide us.

You, I, and other trustworthy people can define the rules moving forward. You in?!

Attend the ICANN meetings and join the ICANN groups like ALAC (That's the group that's meant to stand up for the interests of individual Internet users.) . There is a mix of people in those ICANN groups. Some are purists and don't like domaining. Others are realists. And then there are some who seem to like joining groups.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Keith]

Attend the ICANN meetings and join the ICANN groups like ALAC (That's the group that's meant to stand up for individual Internet users.) .

Regards...jmcc

You can’t be serious.

 

[Wali Dahot]

oh wow, what a start of working week this for namepros staff, Lot to clear in just one single thread

 

[jmcc]

You can’t be serious.

ICANN is the organisation that makes the rules about gTLDs. Otherwise, railing against the rules being wrong won't change them.

Regards...jmcc

 

[sharfab]

oh wow, what a start of working week this for namepros staff, Lot to clear in just one single thread @Mod Team Echo @Mod Team Alfa @Mod Team Bravo @Mod Team Foxtrot

I'm curious to know what is there that has to be cleared up? You have a member who is addressing claims and assertions about his business from other Name Pros members...

 

[Chris Hydrick]

we (Epik) have a few clients that have an extended grace renewal time. The domain owner in this case has a longer grace renewal period therefore that is why that 16 day delivery did not apply here.

So some customers lose their domain to backorders at day 16, while others (a few clients) don't lose their domains at day 16?

This seems like the very definition of special privilege.

Yet, Rob said it was covered in their ToS? I'm curious to see what language their ToS says to allow this.

I think it's disgusting that epik is auctioning domains off at day 16 for some customers. Absolutely disgusting.

For MobileWallet, it looks like WHOIS was last updated on August 14th, after expiring on July 19th, Thus (if the update date is reflective of the renewal date), about a 25 day turnaround time to be renewed.

Allowing a registrant at least 25 days to renew their domain does show a registrar putting their registrant first, but as @Rob Monster pointed out, imagine how that customer would have felt if the domain was sent to your account via backorder at day 16. Thus, my utter confusion to how a CEO wanting to put their registrants first would ever allow a domain to leave their customers account at day 16 by default for all customers.

After learning this, I'm curious to find what other area's epik will try to &$^# me.

#TransparencyMyAss #BlessingsToThoseWhoKissThyAssOfEpik #DoTheseHashTagsHaveAnyEffectOn #MyRequestToHaveAGreaterGraceDeletePeriod #IShouldntHaveToAskNotToBeScrewedByDefault #YouMayNotScrewMeButYouMightScrewMyFriend #AndThatsNotCool

 

[Wali Dahot]

I'm curious to know what is there that has to be cleaned up? You have a member who is addressing claims and assertions about his business from other Name Pros members...

Well Rob has been respectful and civilised but I cant say same for some other posters here!

 

[Keith]

So some customers lose their domain to backorders at day 16, while others (a few clients) don't lose their domains at day 16?

These seems like the very definition of special privilege.

Yet, Rob said it was covered in their ToS? I'm curious to see what language their ToS says to allow this.

I think it's disgusting that epik is auctioning domains off at day 16 for some customers. Absolutely disgusting.

For MobileWallet, it looks like WHOIS was last updated on August 14th, after expiring on July 19th, Thus (if the update date is reflective of the renewal date), about a 25 day turnaround time to be renewed.

Allowing a registrant at least 25 days to renew their domain does show a registrar putting their registrant first, but as @Rob Monster pointed out, imagine how that customer would have felt if the domain was sent to your via backorder at day 16.

Thus, my utter confusion to how a CEO wanting to put their registrants first would ever allow a domain to leave their customers account at day 16 by default for all customers.

After learning this, I'm curious to find what other area's epik will try to &$^# me.

#TransparencyMyAss #BlessingsToThoseWhoKissThyAssOfEpik #DoTheseHashTagsHaveAnyEffectOn #MyRequestToHaveAGreaterGraceDeletePeriod #IShouldntHaveToAskNotToBeScrewedByDefault #YouMayNotScrewMeButYouMightScrewMyFriend #AndThatsNotCool #blessedisnotwhomeverkissesthykingsass

My exclusive $199 BO was in effect beyond the 16th day. When the domain didn’t change accounts, questions arose.

It’s maybe a legal case but I wouldn’t know.

 

[Rob Monster]

Please do! I have it from Jessica.

On day 16 the domain didn’t hit my account. You chalked it up to special privilege.
essica (Epik)

Aug 17, 12:21 PDT

Keith,

Thank you for supplying some history here.
While the rep you spoke to supplied valid information for 99% such cases, we (Epik) have a few clients that have an extended grace renewal time. The domain owner in this case has a longer grace renewal period therefore that is why that 16 day delivery did not apply here.
Sorry for the miscommunication there.

Special Privilege!

It is not special. It is open to everyone. That's what I have explained here and elsewhere. Just ask for it. Usually it ends up being a consultative discussion about:

- Domain quality
- Monetization
- Domain pricing
- Strategizing on helping with closing deals
- Domain loans
- Expiry policy

I think a free strategic review is better than adding a band aid of an extra 15 days of grace period on top of a broken economic engine. We'll still give folks that but usually in combination with strategic review.

Most folks don't even know half of the tools we have in our toolbox. I am guessing you were one of them, and we have added a LOT in the last year.

 

[HotKey]

^ see, with stuff like that, one could almost raise the argument NamePros bought Epik, without paying a dime..

I mean, what all the hooey about??

 

[Keith]

I actually reviewed your support ticket #26441. With your permission, I will post the entire transcript, removing your name and email address. Please approve and we'll get this settled.

Here's a deal:

Get 100 likes on this comment, and we'll change the default grace period for everyone to 30 days. How about that


It is not special. It is open to everyone. That's what I have explained here and elsewhere. Just ask for it. Usually it ends up being a consultative discussion about:

- Domain quality
- Monetization
- Domain pricing
- Strategizing on helping with closing deals
- Domain loans
- Expiry policy

I think a free strategic review is better than adding a band aid of an extra 15 days of grace period on time of a broken economic engine. We'll still give folks that but usually in combination with strategic review.

Most folks don't even know half of the tools we have in our toolbox. I am guessing you were one of them, and we have added a LOT in the last year.

Where’s the transcript?

 

[franka46]

@johnn
With all due respect to your anonymous avatar....

This looks like a cheap parlor trick to get a top-ranking thread. Too bad it only accrues dislikes. There is some entirely organic feedback for you.

Seriously, do you guys have a secret club for discussing this nonsense and take shifts to report posts? Go easy on those Mods. They are doing their best. They know the deal.

Here is what happened the last time a few folks got together to try to browbeat me:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/whats-going-on-with-epik-and-rob-monster.1128748/

The new arrivals might not know the backstory about why the oldtimers get so butt-hurt about my occasional posts. My posting took a bit of a break actually. Perhaps you missed that.

The bigger question is this: are we having fun making the pie bigger?

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I normally dont get involved in these treads but the same as the one that Rob mentions ,I think these posters are ''plants' I was going to reply with "How much did you get paid ,to post this crap?"
Rob also questioned once why other registrars dont post like he does ,well they dont have to ,they have ''mules' do post this shiite for them and hope some will stck .

 

[Rob Monster]

My exclusive $199 BO was in effect beyond the 16th day. When the domain didn’t change accounts, questions arose.

It’s maybe a legal case but I wouldn’t know.

Up until 2018, our backorder reports gave an estimated drop dates that was calculated by registry, e.g. for .COM it was expiration plus 16 days.

After your incident, we changed it so that the expiration date is calculated based on the registrant's specific grace period.

Either way, it is still an estimate.

And either way, if the domain had been delivered and the registrant came back up until 75 of expiry, it is entirely possible that we would have reversed the transaction upon request.

Why 75 days? Well, for .COM there is a theoretical 45 day registrar grace period and then another 30 days of redemption period. So, when buying expiry stream domains, keep that in mind.

This is precisely way I prefer to introduce a Domain Liquidation platform where the registrants get paid for the expiry stream. That completely eliminates the clawback scenario as there is fair consideration.

Can anyone remember a time when a registrar lost anything in court? Serious question.

 

[7363824]

Up until 2018, our backorder reports gave an estimated drop dates that was calculated by registry, e.g. for .COM it was expiration plus 16 days.

After your incident, we changed it so that the expiration date is calculated based on the registrant's specific grace period.

Either way, it is still an estimate.

And either way, if the domain had been delivered and the registrant came back up until 75 of expiry, it is entirely possible that we would have reversed the transaction upon request.

Why 75 days? Well, for .COM there is a theoretical 45 day registrar grace period and then another 30 days of redemption period. So, when buying expiry stream domains, keep that in mind.

This is precisely way I prefer to introduce a Domain Liquidation platform where the registrants get paid for the expiry stream. That completely eliminates the clawback scenario as there is fair consideration.

Can anyone remember a time when a registrar lost anything in court? Serious question.

I'm sure a few lost their dignity...oh wait they couldn't since they never had it. Anyway it seems some forget the grace period per ICANN rules is upto 45 days , can be less but that's entirely the registrars' call.

I for one appreciate that if needed I could ask for more time on the grace period. A welcome change to rigid inflexible policies of other registrars.

 

[Josh R]

Let me know if I've got this right...

Epik's policy is a 15 day grace period for renewal.

Epik backorders then take effect on day 16.

Keith backordered a domain.

On day 16 of the domains expiration, he rightfully expected his backorder to take effect.

Epik then said that some customers are exempt from this company policy and refunded Keiths backorder.

.... Make your own decision, but I can see why Keith is upset. The domain in question is completely irrelevant.

Btw - Why do tons of familiar members have "Epik Staff" badges? Are there any requirements that need to be made or can I get staff badges for all my followers as well? - I know Rob is contracting work from various people at the moment but "staff" seems a bit much.

 

[Rob Monster]

Where’s the transcript?

See attached.

 

[Zilla]

I really suspect Rob hire the Johnn create this thread, at begining, people is try to talk the topic, but with more post and attenion from the members, this thread become a winning post of Epik, people is talking Epik business...

anyway, I may consider move to Epik after all those reading related with Epik and Rob, if the price/service is good enough...it do become a promo thread of Epik, u see...but nothing wrong....Rob as CEO of Epik , this is part of his job and he is doing well...（I still remember last time he buy whoq here....and I think Epik is really invest technology in this industry...which is quite cool）

btw, I noticed there was a thread blame him related gab and some shooting vedio related, I have no time read that full story, no judge, can someone give me a simple answer, does Rob a racist or not, does he support/like terrorism？ just want ensure my money dose not goto wrong place...I just love peace, respect and diversity....

 

[xynames]

It does seem like Rob sometimes has a problem with having a discussion without pushing his own products and services.

There have been many threads that started as supposed discussions that ended up being moved to promotional for obvious reasons.

Brad

This about summarizes it, partisanship aside.

 

[Rob Monster]

Let me know if I've got this right...

Epik's policy is a 15 day grace period for renewal.

Epik backorders then take effect on day 16.

Keith backordered a domain.

On day 16 when of the domains expiration, he rightfully expected his backorder to take effect.

Epik then said that some customers are exempt from this company policy and refunded Keiths backorder.

.... Make your own decision, but I can see why Keith is upset. The domain in question is completely irrelevant.

Btw - Why do tons of familiar members have "Epik Staff" badges? Are there any requirements that need to be made or can I get staff badges for all my followers as well? - I know Rob is contracting work from various people at the moment but "staff" seems a bit much.

We have hired a lot of folks and are continuing to hire. These are generally full-time staff with Epik email addresses, and who are part of a planned hiring program across regions and products:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/hi...ct-managers-and-executive-leadership.1162639/

We are talking to a lot of folks, notably in emerging markets. Most of these folks already have some knowledge about the company before we talk about a specific role.

However, we have a lot of Epik staff who are badged. That is just transparency. The most active fans are mostly just happy clients. I am not directing them, in case you are wondering.

I am not sure what your axe is to grind is Josh, but happy to discuss your concerns anytime. You already have my digits, including Telegram.

 

[7363824]

Let me know if I've got this right...

Epik's policy is a 15 day grace period for renewal.

Epik backorders then take effect on day 16.

Keith backordered a domain.

On day 16 of the domains expiration, he rightfully expected his backorder to take effect.

Epik then said that some customers are exempt from this company policy and refunded Keiths backorder.

.... Make your own decision, but I can see why Keith is upset. The domain in question is completely irrelevant.

Btw - Why do tons of familiar members have "Epik Staff" badges? Are there any requirements that need to be made or can I get staff badges for all my followers as well? - I know Rob is contracting work from various people at the moment but "staff" seems a bit much.

I for one would rather see a registrar extend the grace period for the current registrant and refund the backorder rather than give it to the guy that backordered just to take his $200. Grace periods are a good thing, if Epik wants to increase it upon request good on them, though I'd prefer it was just longer to begin with I'm not the one who has to pay the registry for the renewal during the grace period.

 

[Josh R]

We have hired a lot of folks and are continuing to hire. These are generally full-time staff with Epik email addresses, and who are part of a planned hiring program across regions and products:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/hi...ct-managers-and-executive-leadership.1162639/

We are talking to a lot of folks, notably in emerging markets. Most of these folks already have some knowledge about the company before we talk about a specific role.

However, we have a lot of Epik staff who are badged. That is just transparency. The most active fans are mostly just happy clients. I am not directing them, in case you are wondering.

I am not sure what your axe is to grind is Josh, but happy to discuss your concerns anytime. You already have my digits, including Telegram.

No issues. Just wondering how I keep seeing Epik Staff badges everywhere and whether these are actual employees.

In regards to this backorder issue, I think you have to see Keith's side of things. The domain name is irrelevant.