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Rob Monster bought Namepros without paying a dime.

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  1. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP

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    Horrible idea, would actually have the opposite effect. Other registrars are not going to want to post in another registrar's forum. Whatever participation level there is now, would be less.

    But, we can take your idea and run with it. Post promotional links in places where they're not supposed to go, break some of those damn rules. Some examples we can do.

    Anytime somebody mentions Epik appraisal, hop in those threads and point out GoDaddy actually built their own appraisal system, they just don't white-label Estibot and call it Epik Appraisal.

    Or jump into all the Epik coupon threads where people wait around for whales so they can have a discount for a few hours and point out Dynadot has $5.99 .com 2 or 3 times a year, don't have to play games.

    So if the same was done to Epik, you guys would feel the same right? Let's have some more self promoting links, even tho it violates the rules, and gives mods more work to do, screw them.
     
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  2. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    You know all about that Lemonade:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/whats-going-on-with-epik-and-rob-monster.1128748

    Take a bow -- @MapleDots started this with the epic Epik NP thread of 2019.
     
  3. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Where have you been? This thread was not complete without @JB Lions!

    As for promo, when did that happen in this thread?

    I am actually mystified how "Teach a man to fish" or "Shoot the moon" got tagged as promotional. Some real hardliners must have lobbied for that outcome. Those threads were philanthropy.
     
  4. jmcc

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    If you think it is bad with registrars, forums with resellers/hosters seem to be like knifefights in a phone booth. One large forum actually banned discussion of hosting in its webmaster section. This thread is quite civilised by comparison. The larger registrars tend to ignore each other but the smaller registrars have to compete harder for business. Industry forums will generally be neutral ground but it would not be unthinkable for registrar employees to keep an eye on forums run by other registrars.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  5. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP

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    Well, Namepros staff thought it was promotional, hence them moving those threads and giving you infraction warnings. If you care about others, work on fixing that e-book you're pushing. Last time I looked, still a mess.

    Proper moderation, clear cut, across the board rules enforcement handles a lot of that. We had no issues with competing affiliate networks, affiliate managers, OPMs, affiliates, etc. all participating in the same forum.
     
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  6. matt_bodis

    matt_bodis Bodis.com Bodis Staff PRO ICA Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    If it's not promotional, then why not create a personal account and then post all you want about domain news, domain information, industry news, hosting news, domains wanted and whatever else you like.

    I have a personal account here on Namepros. And when it has nothing to do with Bodis - I simply post from my personal account. Then it's as clear as day that I'm not promoting our product or service via signature, mentioning it via post somehow related to the topic, etc.

    If I were the owner of Namepros (which I am not contrary to popular belief as I have sold it in 2013), then the rule would've been simple - if you want to discuss domain news and post about domains, etc, have a secondary personal account with no mention of your company name.

    I think that's quite a fair solution if you ask me that would keep everyone happy. You can still have your name in your profile, so people know who you are, but no mention of company name and/or promotions related to your company.

    I believe this would ultimately test what ones real agenda is and if your contributions are made solely for promotional reasons or are they made to better benefit the domaining community.

    Looking forward to hearing the arguments for and against such an idea.
     
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  7. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP

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    I made a suggestion before, that would bring even more money in for NP, paid forums. Worked well in affiliate marketing forums, wonder if it would work here. With a paid forum, can have at it, plus an extra benefit of being more organized. Have it all in one place.
     
  8. Ategy

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    I think the bottom line based on the response in this thread, is that most people actually don't mind if an employee/exec of a company starts or enters a conversation from the perspective of being an employee/exec of a company (AS LONG AS IT'S ON TOPIC).

    If anything, their point of view/perspective/thoughts won't change if they change accounts. I'd almost be against such people using multiple accounts for transparency's sake .. because when they post with the employee badge we have an indication there COULD BE bias .. and therefore we can assess for ourselves whether we think the post is genuine or biased.

    Plus the way some people follow @Rob Monster, having two accounts will only make things worse .. they'll still accuse him of everything they currently are .. but then on top of that there will be the extra accusations that he didn't post from the correct account (everybody will have a different definition of where to draw the line between accounts).

    Honestly, the big problem here is that there are two types of people here:
    I can understand both perspectives .. but I honestly feel the community is better served with the first perspective.

    The real issue is the lack of active participation from other industry executives. I think Rob looks a lot worse than the situation calls for because he's the only one doing what he's doing and so he stands out.
     
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  10. Cal2

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    That might work for most, but Rob's situation seems different from usual business owner types. It seems he's made Epik something more personal than just being a business for profit - more a means for achieving personalized things like his digital empowerment initiative. So I don't know if he could or even should separate the 2. I wouldn't want to see him do it.

    My take on it.
     
  11. oldtimer

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    Have you all ever thought of subleasing NamePros to some of the well known companies in the domain Industry lets say for 1k to 5k a month depending on how big of a section it is so each company can have their own area of the forum (not just a thread) that they can use to post different threads as they wish. Although those sections still have to follow NamePros guidelines and rules, but each company can post whatever info or promotions or specials they want as long as they put them in their own subleased section so that they wont be scattered all over the forum. (just an idea)
     
  12. matt_bodis

    matt_bodis Bodis.com Bodis Staff PRO ICA Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    It's actually a good idea. We'd be the first ones to pay (considering it's not some outrageous price point). And hopefully the money goes to further improve NP. The owner has done a great job with NP thus far. But I do think this whole promotional thing does need some thought by the owner. I've realized not only some users may get upset, but also NP advertisers which could hurt NP financially and NPs future.

    Currently top banner ads are Namesilo, Dynadot, Name.com, some GTLD, and Namescon. At least 3 of those 5 are direct competitors to Epik for instance. Question here is - would they really like to see Epik get free coverage? Will their CEOs come and start posting? Will it be good or bad for the community if the CEOs just start coming from every company and posting STUFF to get their name out there? Technically, they can hire people to just post relevant industry news/discussions with their name tagged all over it, will anyone know the difference? Where will be the cut off line? When will content become sub par quality and really start to get annoying?

    I mean, lots to think about here if you're the owner of NP.
     
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  13. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP

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    What I suggested above:

    Also last year, where they responded to the suggestion:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/sub-forums-free-or-paid-for-companies.1112239/
     
  14. jmcc

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    The danger is if the site becomes a blog or press release aggregator. That can kill discussion quickly and it is discussions that are Namepro's strength There are already some promotional sections for that type of content.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  15. oldtimer

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    The thing is once the members decided to walk in to a subleased section they can't complain about promotions and advertisings that are done within that area. To have 20 , 30, or even 50 subleased areas that are going to encourage more interactions between domainers and Industry reps will make NamePros a much more interesting place. IMO
     
  16. matt_bodis

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    I 100% agree. We'd love to be part of that and post all of our topics in there.

    Honestly, we've stopped posting partially on NP because our main thread got placed into Promotional where no one even checks or knows where it is. I can't even find it myself and I've been here for 10+ years!

    I've mentioned that to owner myself but don't remember the response. Was a while ago.
     
  17. oldtimer

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    How much do you think is reasonable to pay for a subleased section of your own. The reason that I am asking is because I thought you might have a better idea about this than most as the previous owner of NamePros.

    IMO
     
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  18. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    @Cal2 is right on here.

    The main topics for which I have started threads are generally:

    - New brand searches or new concepts that are not called Epik

    - Digital Empowerment

    - Teaching and coaching on how to succeed in domaining.

    - Industry News

    - The meaning of life

    I do comment in other people's threads mostly not as Epik but as industry observer and ombudsman who happens to know Epik's product line and tries to stay abreast of other players in the industry.

    I obviously did not intend to be active on NamePros. I was frankly dragged into it by @MapleDots and his infamous thread. However, here we are. I now have a bunch of followers here.

    My advice to anyone who wants to be successful at NamePros is to simply share what you know, make the pie bigger and help people resolve issues. If everyone does that, this place will be very awesome.
     
  19. wwwweb

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    If you start doing that you are probably going to get push back from users, remember without posters like you, there is nothing here, posters add the value of content. It has to be tastefully done on a short leash.
     
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  21. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    thanks a lot, Matt

    that sounds very reasonable to me
     
  22. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    there would be nothing wrong with you, @Rob Monster doing so
    and I'm sure nobody would complain.

    IF
    that would be really the case.


    What few of us find extremely annoying is,
    that you mingle links related to epik services

    and that you keep on mentioning epiks "advanced" features

    some of which claim to solve problems,
    actually nobody had before

    and it's hard to get rid of the feeling
    that those "philanthropic" posts were only created,
    in order to promote epik.com

    best
    Frank
     
  23. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    Yes, I run a business. In fact, I run several but all pretty much under the banner of Epik Holdings, Inc so that I can give it my undivided attention. That is all true.

    A business is an economic engine. It runs on cash. When people choose Epik, they feed our engine. We try to make that a win-win since most people are tactically-minded and short-term focused.

    In the case of Epik, cash funds Digital Empowerment. As was visible in 2019, we don't hold much cash back.

    However, what most people don't get, is that this is not about money. It is about power and about sovereignty.

    More here:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-fight-for-org-is-it-about-money-or-is-it-about-control.1167444/

    I am sincere when I say:

    1. I don't care who makes money
    2. I don't care who takes credit

    The stakes are far bigger.

    Unfortunately, far too many are too blinded or too distracted to understand what is truly at stake. I favor decentralization of power and authority. All of our initiatives are a collective effort to achieve that:

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/hi...ct-managers-and-executive-leadership.1162639/

    We are working diligently to lift up as many people as possible. The people who work at Epik will tell you that this is exactly how it is at Epik. There is no hidden agenda.
     
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  24. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP

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    Things just don't change.

    Started another thread, mentioning GAB yet again, that linked to the other .org thread, where the mods had to delete your self promotion:

    "We have bought some .ORG names lately through the Epik Holding Company. However, as Epik registrar, we are selling them at/below cost, e.g. $7.49 .ORG registrations and $8.88 .ORG transfers. The 3 letter .ORG domains are all taken. @Gube prepared one list already, which is the list of available 4 letter .ORG"

    But somebody quoted and replied to it, it's why I was able to post it.

    This:

    1. I don't care who makes money
    2. I don't care who takes credit

    Just doesn't seem true when you literally promote every chance you get, then at times when somebody brings something up, you've literally linked to the Alexa chart, wanting to take credit for that.

    "There is no hidden agenda."

    ...........

    "Yes, I run a business."

    And as we've gone over before, it's ok to want to make money.
     
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  25. xynames

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    I actually don't think that the Monster creates all of these threads with the intent or even the preexisting notion of promoting Epik. I think it's just that his mind is often racing and he just comes up with these ideas, Did we really go to the Moon, is the Earth flat, did this massacre really happen, and then he just posts about it. Of course along the way he doesn't miss an opportunity to promote his business but I don't think this is all calculated.

    Calculated or not though, many of the posts do end up looking promotional.
     

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