Ralph Nader is back ... one more time..

[Mike]

WASHINGTON - Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."

Source and Full Article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080224/ap_on_el_pr/nader_7
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He's 73! I'm not stepping on the "older" generation here, but he has tried before (2000 and 2004), has failed before, he's not getting any younger, yet he's planning to run again?!
Is it determination and the firm believe that he's having a viable chance this time or is he following some idea that only he and a few selected others believe in?!
Personally, i'm left to wonder why someone would enter this late in the game..

M.

 

[.X.]

I am liking it too

If another independent jumps in, I will like it even better

Every one knows he can not win, But he will bring McCain Votes, Especially in the big electoral states, like Florida

 

[Jeff]

Quack.

I wonder what McCain is promising him or how much McCain is paying him to run ... and attempt to serve again as a "spoiler" (as he did, and quite successfully, in 2000)? IMHO.

Everyone understands Nader's role in Gore "losing" the key votes in Florida, and then ultimately, the election in 2000 ... right?

He's a flake and an egomaniac, and I think he's "for hire" ... but with the guise of having some valid third-party or righteous agenda, humbly.
Just my two sense.
-Jeff

 

[.X.]

I wonder what McCain is promising him or how much McCain is paying him to run ... and attempt to serve again as a "spoiler" (as he did, and quite successfully, in 2000)? IMHO.

Everyone understands Nader's role in Gore losing the key votes in Florida, and then ultimately, the election in 2000 ... right?

He's an flake and an egomaniac, and I think he's "for hire" ... but with the guise of having some valid third-party or righteous agenda, humbly.
Just my two sense.
-Jeff

I understand completely, and could not be happier that Nader has entered the race, hehehehehehhehe

 

[Jeff]

^ Dang!

X, you mean! :p

-Jeff

 

[allabout42]

Every one knows he can not win, But he will bring McCain Votes, Especially in the big electoral states, like Florida

Do I see a deja vu from the 2000 election here...

 

[Jeff]

Do I see a deja vu from the 2000 election here...

The margins will be so wide this time around with Obama over McCain, that a repeat of 2000 is highly doubtful ... but Nader needs attention and to fill the role as even a potential "spoiler" is what he does, his raison d'etre IMHO. Also, I think he has spoken with McCain prior to the surprise announcement, as well! :imho:
-Jeff

 

[VYFX]

With all due respect Ralph Nader is an absolute moron. He is only making himself look like a fool and there is no way he will ever get enough votes to become President. Why does he waste his money? Why does his waste our time? Why does he waste HIS time? Why does he waste TV time and media expenses? Ugh.

 

[.X.]

X, you mean! :p

-Jeff

This could be the big "divide" and most likely exactly what McCain will need to win the election, Should another independent come in, That is a possibility as well, The big electoral states, will most likely go to McCain election day, Just as it did GWB in 2000.

Let me clear something up here real quick, I do not like a lot, That McCain stands for, I was very disappointed when Mitt Romney dropped from the race, Mitt had my vote, I do like what Rob Paul stands for, Unfortunately Paul wont be there to vote for.

If Al Gore were running, There would be a chance i would vote Gore.

I have to deal with the cards dealt, Obama, Clinton, McCain

With those three choices, I will be voting McCain.

Do I see a deja vu from the 2000 election here...

It is a great possibility, Add in another independent , and i would venture to say, Yes, deja vu

 

[homebuyer]

Nader Nation

I visited his website votenader.org and found only these issues posted. I've included my knee-jerk response after each hyphen:

1. Adopt single payer national health insurance - Is this how the social security monster started?

2. Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget - If he has specific knowledge of waste, he should have reported it.

3. No to nuclear power, solar energy first - I wonder how much energy we'll need to construct all of those new solar panels needed to replace the nuclear plant's erergy output? We'll probably buy them from China anyway.

4. Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare - - Which corporate crimes is he talking about?

5. Open up the Presidential debates - This is a good one. I'll take slot three.

6. Adopt a carbon pollution tax - More taxes.

7. Reverse U.S. policy in the Middle East - So, are we severing our ties with Israel?

7. Impeach Bush/Cheney - Issue's moot after the new guy takes office.

8. Repeal the Taft-Hartley anti-union law - Good luck with that.

9. Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax - More taxes.

10. Put an end to ballot access obstructionism - I say we tie our toilets to the ballot box. That way, we can vote while we are on the can. One flush for Republicans and two for Democrats. We'll give everybody a decent plunger to take care of any obstructionism that might arise.

11. Work to end corporate personhood - Who cares?

That said, I wonder if he knows there is a current immigration crisis in the good old U.S of Mexico, I mean U.S.A. In wonder if he is worried about terrorists. I wonder if he thinks that the income tax system is fair. I wonder if he has health insurance. I wonder if his house is in foreclosure. I wonder if he has ever driven through a US city at night with his doors unlocked. I wonder if thinks he can actually win.

 

[Jeff]

X, I appreciate your candor ... and had I been a Republican, I too would have supported Romney, IMHO. Think about his impact with the economy alone! :gl:
He was the party's best chance of winning the general election in November, in my view ... and the conservatives would have rallied around him if he could have secured the nomination. To a large extent, it was Huckabee that sealed Romney's fate this year ... as it was Nader's involvement in 2000 that cost Gore both Florida and the election. Like you, I don't like this stuff! :shakeshead:

IMHO, party's aside if that's possible ... Obama is the best candidate for the country at this point in time! :music: :imho:
-Jeff

 

[.X.]

There has been an immigration crisis, Since i was born, and i am 45, We are just now addressing the problem, that we knew was a problem decades ago, That goes for both parties, no one prior President went to lenths to address the issue and stop it.

Nader will do his usual, ride the tide of the election, right to the beach.

Democrats will cry foul. Nothing that hasn't happened in past elections.

Jeff, I would give my specific reasons, why i will not vote Obama, If it wouldn't start a huge flaming session in here-lol

They are valid reasons, and play a major impact on our countries future.

 

[Jeff]

There has been an immigration crisis, Since i was born, and i am 45, We are just now addressing the problem, that we knew was a problem decades ago, That goes for both parties, no one prior President went to lenths to address the issue and stop it.

Nader will do his usual, ride the tide of election, right to the beach.

Democrats will cry foul. Nothing that hasn't happened in past elections.

^ Yup.

Immigration is a HUGE topic ... and Romney very clearly pointed out the differences berween his policy and that of McCain's, IMHO. McCain is the senior Senator from ARIZONA, so you know he's not going to take a tough, truly conservative, stance on addressing this critical issue/crisis!

Jeff, I would give my specific reasons, why i will not vote Obama, If it wouldn't start a huge flaming session in here-lol

They are valid reasons, and play a major impact on our countries future.

Defense / National security? :gl:
-Jeff

 

[homebuyer]

IMHO, party's aside if that's possible ... Obama is the best candidate for the country at this point in time! :music: :imho:
-Jeff

Obama would be the best candidate for president of Mexico. His immigration polices will do several things. One, they will erode this country's borders, language and culture. Two, they will adversely affect the blacks in America by eventually causing up to 20 million illegals to be legally allowed to stand in the same employment line as the hard working black American. If black Americans are complaining so much about having tough times and needing a job, then just you wait until they have to compete with all those millions upon millions of formerly illegal aliens. Furthermore, Obama's immigration policies will cause the roughly 34 million American blacks in this country to take a back seat to the newly legalized 20 million foreigners.

 

[.X.]

Actually Obamas position on defense, I am for, I am not to far off with him on National Security as well.

Both Obama and Clinton, I agree with, on getting our troops home, making the smallest presence possible in Iraq. We need to protect our country and it's interest, But we do not need to be trying to make Countries have a democracy in the middle east, their religion does not allow for, and they have the right to live the way their culture deems, with out interference, Imo

The key issues i have problems with, with him as well as Clinton, Are specific to our own government. And our natural way of life, and daily living.

Obama would be the best candidate for president of Mexico. His immigration polices will do several things. One, they will erode this country's borders, language and culture. Two, they will adversely affect the blacks in America by eventually causing up to 20 million illegals to be legally allowed to stand in the same employment line as the hard working black American. If black Americans are complaining so much about having tough times and needing a job, then just you wait until they have to compete with all those millions upon millions of formerly illegal aliens. Furthermore, Obama's immigration policies will cause the roughly 34 million American blacks in this country to take a back seat to the newly legalized 20 million foreigners.

It would be fair to say that, White people would be standing in that same line, No?

I do agree with your post, Americans need to the first to receive any government funding, for housing or other wise, and with out prejudice

I am not White, Just so people know-lol, Not that it should make a difference of race, But it did in the last thread, So i thought i would present that, I am Cherokee American Indian

 

[Jeff]

Obama would be the best candidate for president of Mexico. His immigration polices will do several things. One, they will erode this country's borders, language and culture. Two, they will adversely affect the blacks in America by eventually causing up to 20 million illegals to be legally allowed to stand in the same employment line as the hard working black American. If black Americans are complaining so much about having tough times and needing a job, then just you wait until they have to compete with all those millions upon millions of formerly illegal aliens. Furthermore, Obama's immigration policies will cause the roughly 34 million American blacks in this country to take a back seat to the newly legalized 20 million foreigners.

McCain's immigration policy is different ... how? :blink:

The key issues i have problems with, with him as well as Clinton, Are specific to our own government. And our natural way of life, and daily living.

I respect that, IMHO. :music:
-Jeff

 

[homebuyer]

Same

McCain's immigration policy is different ... how? :blink:
I respect that, IMHO. :music:
-Jeff

I never said McCain's policies were any different. Frankly, I don't like any candidates immigration policy.

It would be fair to say that, White people would be standing in that same line, No?

I am not White, Just so people know-lol, Not that it should make a difference of race, But it did in the last thread, So i thought i would present that, I am Cherokee American Indian

Yes, white Americans would be standing in the same line. F.Y.I., my grandmother was Native American.

 

[.X.]

I feel if Nader does nothing else but divide the vote, That is a good thing, In this specific election, We have a lot to loose, Imo, We can not put our hands in a non qualified leader, It is like playing roulette with our future.

Clinton is qualified, Imo , I do not like her, but she could run this country.

So if Nader does nothing more than end up ousting Obama, he will doing a great job , Imo

If Obama Is Elected, Here Is What You Get, In My Opinion

 

[Jeff]

I never said McCain's policies were any different. Frankly, I don't like any candidates immigration policy.

Understood ... I think if I had to pick one candidate based solely upon his or her immigration policy (and its economic impact), it would have been Romney IMHO. :gl:

If Obama Is Elected, Here Is What You Get, In My Opinion

Thanks, X ... I'll check it out tom'w! :talk:
Have a great night,
-Jeff

 

[monaco]

With all due respect Ralph Nader is an absolute moron. He is only making himself look like a fool and there is no way he will ever get enough votes to become President. Why does he waste his money? Why does his waste our time? Why does he waste HIS time? Why does he waste TV time and media expenses? Ugh.

I ask myself the same thing about Clinton AND Obama.