Qotto.com -- Non-payer

[Ms Domainer]

I'm giving the non-payer of Qotto.com 24 hours notice before I splash his or her details on this thread and on my PayTheWoman.com.

I have also emailed this person.

I cut this person a huge break by dropping my price significantly when he or she queried.

The domain has been relisted at its original price.

So if you were the non-payer of Qotto.com, you are on notice.

 

[ulterios]

It is actually a feature a seller has control of, just like at Sedo I believe.

I didn't say it wasn't something that a seller has no control over. I just said it is common practice.

 

[Ms Domainer]

It is actually a feature a seller has control of, just like at Sedo I believe.

From Godaddy

What is Push to Auction?
Push to Auction is a feature at GoDaddy Auctions® that lets you convert a domain name listing from Offer/Counter-Offer to a 7-Day Public Auction.

When you receive an offer for a domain name, you can either accept it, decline it, provide a counter offer, or push the listing to auction. If you decide to push your Offer/Counter Offer listing to auction, the buyer's offer becomes the opening bid in the 7-Day Public Auction. Because we convert the offer to a bid, you cannot cancel the listing or add a reserve price after you Push to Auction.

Once you Push to Auction, other GoDaddy Auctions members can bid on the listing. To make tracking easier, the listing ID does not change.

If there are multiple offers for a listing when you Push to Auction, the highest bid becomes the opening bid, and we cancel all pending offers. We add the domain name to the Watching List for each member who made an offer, notified them of the change, and provide a link to the auction.

But if op didnt intentionally push it to auction, i owe her an apology.

When Ms Said emailed me a query about the domain, I disclosed that I would be pushing the domain to auction with her bid, should she decide to bid at all.

This information was given to her BEFORE she bid.

So when she placed her bid, I pushed the domain to auction, which is perfectly legal and acceptable.

Her bid then became binding.

No one else bid; it happens and I was fine with that. The marketplace spoke. I was obligated to sell, and she was obligated to buy.

It was only after two and a half weeks of non-payment that I asked to have the domain removed from the "sold" column. Go Daddy agreed as she never made payment or responded to their payment reminders.

You know the rest of the story.

 

[offersity]

When Ms Said emailed me a query about the domain, I disclosed that I would be pushing the domain to auction with her bid, should she decide to bid at all.

This information was given to her BEFORE she bid.

So when she placed her bid, I pushed the domain to auction, which is perfectly legal and acceptable.

Her bid then became binding.

No one else bid; it happens and I was fine with that. The marketplace spoke. I was obligated to sell, and she was obligated to buy.

It was only after two and a half weeks of non-payment that I asked to have the domain removed from the "sold" column. Go Daddy agreed as she never made payment or responded to their payment reminders.

You know the rest of the story.

Fair point, you disclosed everything early. Shes just not a serious buyer I guess. Better luck next time.

 

[Name Trader]

The non payer in question is Asma Said.

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

Thanks for this. I for one, 100% support your right to take this action when a buyer reneges on a legal contract to buy the domain. As in this case. All the naysayers here are just that, a distraction from the truth. This person walking away from their personal and legal commitment to buy this domain, should be called out.

I don't have any legitimate method of recording these incidences for me to check against when selling a domain. But if it comes to my attention she has done this before (which she has now), and I find out she is making offers on my domains, I won't give her the time of day. As @Mrs Domainer is fond of saying. It's our choice to deal with a numpty non-payers or not. It's just more often than not, we don't have this information.

Good post. IMHO.

 

[artstar]

I'm siding with the op on this one!

Its hard enough selling domains but having to deal with jerkoffs who are basically messing with ones product, time and the emotional ups and downs related to the bs that such amateur activity places upon ones person is inexcusable.

This supposed noob bidder is simply an a$#hol$ period IMO!!

Plus if a person says they changed their mind AFTER they placed the bid that should be no excuse for proceeding in the first place and I'd be posting this idiots name as well.

If this was a million dollar domain and such activity took place would outing the bidder be warranted then? Just saying...

 

[NameOmnia]

I am more and more appalled at the number of "pros" ( inverted commas mandatory in this case ) who seem to side with those who make this industry the sh*t hole many think it is.

If the domaining industry improves it improves for everyone why don't you people get it?
" Just get over it " but get over what? Get over wanting more honesty and professionalism around?
My list of "the people not to do business with" is growing by the day...The more I read on this forum, the more I see who the newcomers are the more it gets worrying.

 

[artstar]

Yes exactly!!! Get over it is the rally cry of the times for sure! Take it and like it is the credo it seems!! I'm so fed up with the lack of values, credibility, sense of right and wrong in all facets of life for sure! Well said photo!

 

[Grilled]

Don't get me wrong; I realize that I'm out the money, but the jerk is also going to lose his reputation.

First off, great domain! This thread is popular this week, which doubles as a marketing platform for your domain to be seen as for sale to thousands. There is no such this as bad publicity

You're winning. His information will be cached forever as doing unethical business. Calling him / her a jerk may feel good, but it's not necessary. It too will be cached forever; there is a reason why companies are required to fire those who aren't cautious of their wording in social media posts.

This supposed noob bidder is simply an a$#hol$ period IMO!!

Others, not affiliated with your brand, can say whatever they want about the jerk. You're the victim here. Justice will find a way to say what needs to be said.

Best of luck to you and your domain.

 

[Grilled]

The non payer in question is Asma Said.

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

In reference to my last post, I'm very surprised you gave Asma the courtesy of [dot] com and choosing not to reveal his full name. Doing so would cache his information forever, along with the comments about him being a jerk. You've shown a superior PR road I didn't see coming.

Do you mind sharing what led you to making this decision? I'd assume linking his name and full domain would be more effective in ruining his reputation. Using "quotes" to search specific information about said person/websites would link to their lasting credibility.

 

[nvdomains]

My experience (GD auctions): Someone came with an offer of $1500. I quoted $3000. She didn't reply. Without telling her, I pushed it to auction. She immediately came back with $2000 offer through GD person. I quoted $2500. She agreed and paid after I listed it as premium listing.

Pushing to auction is a common thing when the buyer stick to initial quote.

Good post @Mrs Domainer.

I used to feel bad in the initial days of my domaining life. Now, I am taking it easy as they became more common after I moved to DNS.

On a lighter note: If all offers I got in December were paid...it would be in six figures. We have to live with such idiots.

 

[Matrix1976]

On a lighter note: If all offers I got in December were paid...it would be in six figures. We have to live with such idiots.

Ignoring the billion dollar offers accompanied with messages from drunk halfwits...
I'm at about mid 5 fig in December from people who went mia after placing offers.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

The OP is 100% right, there is no point in discussing that at all. As many people noted already, it is a common thing to do when you get offer to push it to auction but the question is did the buyer know that they had to buy with their original offer if no other bids where received? This is where I always blame Godaddy, because they dont allow any sort of communication at all because this could have been afforded if the buyer was told this and explained to that if no other bids are received, you will be obliged to buy at your offer since basically, Godaddy rules state so. Or do they offer this now?

As for the buyer, she appears to be from the gulf region and might not know a lot of how domaining or even how Godaddy auctions work even though she is software developer.

As for the OP, nothing can be done about it anymore and you have done enough to warn other users about this buyer.

 

[Name Trader]

She was told it would be pushed to auction. It is not up to the seller to hand-feed her. It's up to her to take responsibility to find out what push to auction means at GoDaddy. IMHO.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

She was told it would be pushed to auction. It is not up to the seller to hand-feed her. It's up to her to take responsibility to find out what push to auction means at GoDaddy. IMHO.

Agreed. 100%.

 

[wot]

No doubt in my mind, name and shame!

Just too many of them and most get away with it as many sellers do nothing,won't be so many if they know their details will be all over the web- forever!

 

[DnEbook]

I have been the opposite, the last three names at Godaddy have been non-sales ( in the aftermarket) It does seem a bit hit and miss, good luck to the Op

 

[timestamp]

Would you name and shame for $5 domain deal? I don't think so.
It's all about the money. This screams desperation.

You got scammed > Name and shame!
Failed deal > Move on!

Who will buy this domain now? It's on the first page on search engine pointing to this thread. A head start for a new startup company.

 

[Ms Domainer]

In reference to my last post, I'm very surprised you gave Asma the courtesy of [dot] com and choosing not to reveal his full name. Doing so would cache his information forever, along with the comments about him being a jerk. You've shown a superior PR road I didn't see coming.

Do you mind sharing what led you to making this decision? I'd assume linking his name and full domain would be more effective in ruining his reputation. Using "quotes" to search specific information about said person/websites would link to their lasting credibility.

I made the decision to list the non-payer's email address as I did and simply added that Ms Said's info was accessible through Domain tools or any other whois.

My rationale: I got the feeling that she's young (albeit not underage), foolish, and clueless, but, perhaps, still open to learning from this mistake. Who knows? We have all been there... I still wanted her info accessible but perhaps not so "out there."

From what I did reveal, it wouldn't be that difficult for anyone to find her info.

To be truthful, until after the fact, I never thought of any marketing aspect, but there's no doubt that the domain is probably garnering some attention.

Believe me, I did mull this decision over. I don't LIKE having to do this at all, but it is not good for our industry to just "move on" and sweep this under the rug.

And, yes, "jerk" is a bit too strong; it's best to stick to the facts; she's just a someone who made a mistake.

I do apologize for that obvious lapse.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Would you name and shame for $5 domain deal? I don't think so.
It's all about the money. This screams desperation.

You got scammed > Name and shame!
Failed deal > Move on!

Who will buy this domain now? It's on the first page on search engine pointing to this thread. A head start for a new startup company.

I don't do $5.00 deals.



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[eurorealtor]

Well this is a domain name forum, OP is trying to point out a deadbeat buyer and some members, even VIP members makes it her fault, because she pushed the domain into the auction (by her right) instead of accepting the offer. I would do the same, most of us would do the same. I am pretty sure she will move on, but I appreciate she pointed out this common problem, we have got a lot of new members who like to know what is going behind the scene.