Qotto.com -- Non-payer

[Ms Domainer]

I'm giving the non-payer of Qotto.com 24 hours notice before I splash his or her details on this thread and on my PayTheWoman.com.

I have also emailed this person.

I cut this person a huge break by dropping my price significantly when he or she queried.

The domain has been relisted at its original price.

So if you were the non-payer of Qotto.com, you are on notice.

 

[jideofor]

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree; the fact is, he was legally bound to pay.

That's the way Go Daddy and the other auction sites work. I'm surprised that you don't know this.

If someone makes an offer, Go Daddy gives you four options:

1. Accept the offer outright. Both parties are obligated to follow through.

2. Counteroffer. The buyer is no longer obligated to buy at his original offer, but if he counters, he is obligated for the new offer. But he can choose to not to counteroffer and simply reject the the counteroffer. The original offer then disappears.

3. Send to auction with the offer converted to the first bid. In that case, the bidder is obligated for that first bid, and the seller is obligated to sell at that price if no one else bids. (This is, in fact, what happened). I don't send a domain to auction unless I am willing to sell at that opening price.

4. Reject the offer. In that case, no one is obligated for anything.​

I happen to believe that actions and non-actions have consequences.

Everybody whines about non-payers, yet no one wants to name and shame.

What's up with that?

Stories...

Did you also consider that their resolved to refuse going with the deal could have emanated from pushing it to auction?

You didn't want their offer initially so please quit the trying to force the domain down their throat. It's your fault and you should have known your domain is a brandable, a made up word and chances of getting sales is very slim.

Stop trying to blame them and blame yourself, that way you can help prevent such from happening in the future.

Also remember, Godaddy can't force that money out of their pocket even if their rules were written by 10 Commandment of the bible. Nothing changes.

Sorry, if I appear hash... I am a realist and don't massage sentiments.

 

[Dave_Z]

To those who asked why Ms. Domainer posted this thread, I believe she made her point at the start:

So if you were the non-payer of Qotto.com, you are on notice.

Does this essentially mean she can't "move on" without doing something? After all, she can just post (which she did) while attending to other matters---just like any of us can.

Anywho, all of us can then "move on" from this thread afterwards. Unless any of us wants to say something here just because, maybe.

Happy New Year to y'all.

 

[Ms Domainer]

To the anonymous coward who posted on my website:

A big double and triple raspberry to you.

Did you really think I would accept your stupid comment?

 

[Ms Domainer]

To those who asked why Ms. Domainer posted this thread, I believe she made her point at the start:


Does this essentially mean she can't "move on" without doing something? After all, she can just post (which she did) while attending to other matters---just like any of us can.

Anywho, all of us can then "move on" from this thread afterwards. Unless any of us wants to say something here just because, maybe.

Happy New Year to y'all.

Thank you, Dan_Z.

Anyone is welcome to block this thread from one's own account. While you're at it, you can block me too.

I'm certainly cool with that.

But the truth is, if someone does not fulfill a legal contract, then he/she gets what he/she deserves.

It's called Karma.

And until this industry does what it takes to help eliminate bad players, then scammers and non-payers will continue to run rampant in this industry. This numpty a-hole cost me both time (a lot) and money (not much).

A ripoff artist does not deserve to enjoy a good name.

 

[Ms Domainer]

The non payer in question is Asma Said.

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

 

[domain hacks]

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

Actually, if you just looked at her site you would notice it is SHE not HE....just saying. You talk a lot but your fact checking is subpar.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Actually, if you just looked at her site you would notice it is SHE not HE....just saying. You talk a lot but your fact checking is subpar.

I don't go on dodgy websites.

It really doesn't matter what her sex is; it's what she does or doesn't do.

So move along.

 

[domain hacks]

I don't go on dodgy websites.

It really doesn't matter what her sex is; it's what she does or doesn't do.

So move along.

I helped you to discover the sex of this "scammer". Simple "Thanks" will suffice

 

[Ms Domainer]

I helped you to discover the sex of this "scammer". Simple "Thanks" will suffice

Just move along.

Your help was not needed.

 

[tha-she]

To the ones here trying to cover someone who didn't follow throe with a commitment they made:

Almost everything Ms Domainer said in this thread is 100% valid and fair, If you agree to buy OR SELL a domain of any kind anywhere on any site, it is yours and only your job to follow throe with the deal.

I had to sell at huge loses before, and many other honest people i know did so aswell, sometimes auctions or other stuff does not go as planned, and if there is any possible way you can PAY or BUY or whatever you committed yourself to doing by listing a domain or making an offer on one, you should do it.
(Unless of course both agree on whatever else)

And if you dont, you are a dishonest crook, and you can Turn or Spin Or Throw that wherever or however you want, but its 100% fact

(Atleast in the world we live in currently)

Thanks @Ms Domainer for the post, i like reading about people im not dealing with if i notice them anywhere.

 

[TRY]

She asked what she can do to fix it? You were obviously inconvenienced, in some businesses they keep the deposit. In this case ask her for an inconvenience fee?

 

[Ms Domainer]

She asked what she can do to fix it? You were obviously inconvenienced, in some businesses they keep the deposit. In this case ask her for an inconvenience fee?

Inconvenienced?

I say "ripped off."

But it's okay.

In the sense that I realize that I'm never going to be paid for this sale, I have, in the opinion of some members here, "moved on."

 

[offersity]

If my interest in a domain name is so so and then a seller pulls a move like op did with the auction, I wouldnt be suprised if I totally lost interest and moved on, simple as that.

Op wouldnt have made this thread had she got more bids.

All the legal mumbo jumbo, im fine with that, just dont use it for convenience.

 

[ulterios]

If my interest in a domain name is so so and then a seller pulls a move like op did with the auction, I wouldnt be suprised if I totally lost interest and moved on, simple as that.

Op wouldnt have made this thread had she got more bids.

All the legal mumbo jumbo, im fine with that, just dont use it for convenience.

The OP didn't pull a move, this is common practice on GoDaddy auctions and how things are done there. GoDaddy auctions is a little different than many other domain marketplaces. What the OP did happens extremely often there and this was not something unusual.

 

[offersity]

The OP didn't pull a move, this is common practice on GoDaddy auctions and how things are done there. GoDaddy auctions is a little different than many other domain marketplaces. What the OP did happens extremely often there and this was not something unusual.

It is actually a feature a seller has control of, just like at Sedo I believe.

From Godaddy

What is Push to Auction?
Push to Auction is a feature at GoDaddy Auctions® that lets you convert a domain name listing from Offer/Counter-Offer to a 7-Day Public Auction.

When you receive an offer for a domain name, you can either accept it, decline it, provide a counter offer, or push the listing to auction. If you decide to push your Offer/Counter Offer listing to auction, the buyer's offer becomes the opening bid in the 7-Day Public Auction. Because we convert the offer to a bid, you cannot cancel the listing or add a reserve price after you Push to Auction.

Once you Push to Auction, other GoDaddy Auctions members can bid on the listing. To make tracking easier, the listing ID does not change.

If there are multiple offers for a listing when you Push to Auction, the highest bid becomes the opening bid, and we cancel all pending offers. We add the domain name to the Watching List for each member who made an offer, notified them of the change, and provide a link to the auction.

But if op didnt intentionally push it to auction, i owe her an apology.

 

[ulterios]

It is actually a feature a seller has control of, just like at Sedo I believe.

I didn't say it wasn't something that a seller has no control over. I just said it is common practice.

 

[Ms Domainer]

It is actually a feature a seller has control of, just like at Sedo I believe.

From Godaddy

What is Push to Auction?
Push to Auction is a feature at GoDaddy Auctions® that lets you convert a domain name listing from Offer/Counter-Offer to a 7-Day Public Auction.

When you receive an offer for a domain name, you can either accept it, decline it, provide a counter offer, or push the listing to auction. If you decide to push your Offer/Counter Offer listing to auction, the buyer's offer becomes the opening bid in the 7-Day Public Auction. Because we convert the offer to a bid, you cannot cancel the listing or add a reserve price after you Push to Auction.

Once you Push to Auction, other GoDaddy Auctions members can bid on the listing. To make tracking easier, the listing ID does not change.

If there are multiple offers for a listing when you Push to Auction, the highest bid becomes the opening bid, and we cancel all pending offers. We add the domain name to the Watching List for each member who made an offer, notified them of the change, and provide a link to the auction.

But if op didnt intentionally push it to auction, i owe her an apology.

When Ms Said emailed me a query about the domain, I disclosed that I would be pushing the domain to auction with her bid, should she decide to bid at all.

This information was given to her BEFORE she bid.

So when she placed her bid, I pushed the domain to auction, which is perfectly legal and acceptable.

Her bid then became binding.

No one else bid; it happens and I was fine with that. The marketplace spoke. I was obligated to sell, and she was obligated to buy.

It was only after two and a half weeks of non-payment that I asked to have the domain removed from the "sold" column. Go Daddy agreed as she never made payment or responded to their payment reminders.

You know the rest of the story.

 

[offersity]

When Ms Said emailed me a query about the domain, I disclosed that I would be pushing the domain to auction with her bid, should she decide to bid at all.

This information was given to her BEFORE she bid.

So when she placed her bid, I pushed the domain to auction, which is perfectly legal and acceptable.

Her bid then became binding.

No one else bid; it happens and I was fine with that. The marketplace spoke. I was obligated to sell, and she was obligated to buy.

It was only after two and a half weeks of non-payment that I asked to have the domain removed from the "sold" column. Go Daddy agreed as she never made payment or responded to their payment reminders.

You know the rest of the story.

Fair point, you disclosed everything early. Shes just not a serious buyer I guess. Better luck next time.

 

[Name Trader]

The non payer in question is Asma Said.

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

Thanks for this. I for one, 100% support your right to take this action when a buyer reneges on a legal contract to buy the domain. As in this case. All the naysayers here are just that, a distraction from the truth. This person walking away from their personal and legal commitment to buy this domain, should be called out.

I don't have any legitimate method of recording these incidences for me to check against when selling a domain. But if it comes to my attention she has done this before (which she has now), and I find out she is making offers on my domains, I won't give her the time of day. As @Mrs Domainer is fond of saying. It's our choice to deal with a numpty non-payers or not. It's just more often than not, we don't have this information.

Good post. IMHO.

 

[artstar]

I'm siding with the op on this one!

Its hard enough selling domains but having to deal with jerkoffs who are basically messing with ones product, time and the emotional ups and downs related to the bs that such amateur activity places upon ones person is inexcusable.

This supposed noob bidder is simply an a$#hol$ period IMO!!

Plus if a person says they changed their mind AFTER they placed the bid that should be no excuse for proceeding in the first place and I'd be posting this idiots name as well.

If this was a million dollar domain and such activity took place would outing the bidder be warranted then? Just saying...

 

[NameOmnia]

I am more and more appalled at the number of "pros" ( inverted commas mandatory in this case ) who seem to side with those who make this industry the sh*t hole many think it is.

If the domaining industry improves it improves for everyone why don't you people get it?
" Just get over it " but get over what? Get over wanting more honesty and professionalism around?
My list of "the people not to do business with" is growing by the day...The more I read on this forum, the more I see who the newcomers are the more it gets worrying.

 

[artstar]

Yes exactly!!! Get over it is the rally cry of the times for sure! Take it and like it is the credo it seems!! I'm so fed up with the lack of values, credibility, sense of right and wrong in all facets of life for sure! Well said photo!

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Don't get me wrong; I realize that I'm out the money, but the jerk is also going to lose his reputation.

First off, great domain! This thread is popular this week, which doubles as a marketing platform for your domain to be seen as for sale to thousands. There is no such this as bad publicity

You're winning. His information will be cached forever as doing unethical business. Calling him / her a jerk may feel good, but it's not necessary. It too will be cached forever; there is a reason why companies are required to fire those who aren't cautious of their wording in social media posts.

This supposed noob bidder is simply an a$#hol$ period IMO!!

Others, not affiliated with your brand, can say whatever they want about the jerk. You're the victim here. Justice will find a way to say what needs to be said.

Best of luck to you and your domain.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

The non payer in question is Asma Said.

His website: AsmaSaid [dot] com.

His contact details can be found on Domaintools whois or any other Whois.

He seems to think that making a commitment to follow through on his contracts is meaningless.

He apologizes, but it's just empty words.

Do business with this person at your financial peril.

In reference to my last post, I'm very surprised you gave Asma the courtesy of [dot] com and choosing not to reveal his full name. Doing so would cache his information forever, along with the comments about him being a jerk. You've shown a superior PR road I didn't see coming.

Do you mind sharing what led you to making this decision? I'd assume linking his name and full domain would be more effective in ruining his reputation. Using "quotes" to search specific information about said person/websites would link to their lasting credibility.

 

[nvdomains]

My experience (GD auctions): Someone came with an offer of $1500. I quoted $3000. She didn't reply. Without telling her, I pushed it to auction. She immediately came back with $2000 offer through GD person. I quoted $2500. She agreed and paid after I listed it as premium listing.

Pushing to auction is a common thing when the buyer stick to initial quote.

Good post @Mrs Domainer.

I used to feel bad in the initial days of my domaining life. Now, I am taking it easy as they became more common after I moved to DNS.

On a lighter note: If all offers I got in December were paid...it would be in six figures. We have to live with such idiots.