Qotto.com -- Non-payer

[Ms Domainer]

I'm giving the non-payer of Qotto.com 24 hours notice before I splash his or her details on this thread and on my PayTheWoman.com.

I have also emailed this person.

I cut this person a huge break by dropping my price significantly when he or she queried.

The domain has been relisted at its original price.

So if you were the non-payer of Qotto.com, you are on notice.

 

[-EM-]

I'm sure this thing happens a lot. It happened to me at 4.cn and other platforms., in both cases, pushing to auction and counter offer. I don't blame the supposed buyer here. There are people who don't want to spend time in auctions or negotiations, they just come make an offer, if you accept you have a deal if not you don't have any deal.
Pushing the domain to auction is a clear reason the first offer was lower than expected. Be positive, you got the opportunity to push the domain to auction for free and got an info that your domain won't sale for a higher price at that moment of time.
And it is not fair to make public names or private information.

 

[Ms Domainer]

I'm sure this thing happens a lot. It happened to me at 4.cn and other platforms., in both cases, pushing to auction and counter offer. I don't blame the supposed buyer here. There are people who don't want to spend time in auctions or negotiations, they just come make an offer, if you accept you have a deal if not you don't have any deal.
Pushing the domain to auction is a clear reason the first offer was lower than expected. Be positive, you got the opportunity to push the domain to auction for free and got an info that your domain won't sale for a higher price at that moment of time.
And it is not fair to make public names or private information.

The buyer was TOLD IN ADVANCE that the domain would be pushed to auction, and she was okay with that.

I believe I mentioned this earlier.

I respectfully disagree with this statement: "...is not fair to make public names or private information."

I say it's fair game when it comes to time wasters who don't fulfill their legal obligations.

 

[-EM-]

I missed that post. Still a very long time passed from the offer to the end of the auction. Also as the supposed beer said, it is new to domaining, probably the idea of pushing the domain to auction wasn't clear enough.
I do stand in that statement to do not make public private information. The time was wasted in both ends...

 

[Ms Domainer]

FYI,

I waited almost three weeks (during which time: crickets) before I reported her to Go Daddy and asked that the domain be removed from the "Sold" platform.

Evidently, she was non-responsive to Go Daddy's emails.

 

[domain hacks]

So much drama around your failed sale. Imagine we all open threads when our deal does not end the way we wanted it. You spend so much time bumping this thread, who knows, maybe you will find a buyer for your domain this way?

Go on, bump it one more time....

 

[Dave_Z]

Go on, bump it one more time....

You realize you bumped up the thread, yes? But no worries because I did, too, hehe.

 

[kandyan]

Every business has Cancellation/Return/Refund/ policies.. " In my View " Domaining is no different..
Customers have every right to spend the money the way they wanted.... that's how the business world operates..

 

[eurorealtor]

Customers have every right to spend the money the way they wanted.... that's how the business world operates..

Customer shall read the rules before enter an offer. Domain auction is not a flea market

 

[-EM-]

The customer was involved in the auction indirectly

 

[Tytus]

The guy made an offer through Go Daddy, and I pushed the domain to auction, and his offer became the first bid.

His was the only bid, which means he was the winner of the auction.

He was contractually obligated to pay for the domain.

Should have sold it outright when he asked. Your mistake for trying to gouge more money for the domain. Can't give a buyer time to decide. Also the reply from the user seems genuine and they even attempted to make things right. You seem to be trying to create a massive mess out of nothing. Why not take the higher road and walk away?

 

[buywebsites.biz]

As a buyer, the "push to auction" bit has always left a bad taste in my mouth. I've had it happen to me after "agreeing" on a domain's price on Sedo, and also at Godaddy during the offer-counteroffer process. I was blindsided so props to the OP for at least communicating what was about to happen. In general though the marketplace platforms should do better at setting expectation that an offer could be a binding opening bid for an auction. Legally there's a case to be made that an offer is an offer, and a "push to auction" is a separate transaction solely initiated by the seller unless the buyer has explicitly agreed to it.

It's up to her to take responsibility to find out what push to auction means at GoDaddy.

Buried somewhere in their TOS. A person will never know unless they go through the process. It's just another rite of passage that you learn as a domainer, which is why I have some sympathy b/c we were all "just another enduser" at some point in the past.

 

[kandyan]

Customer shall read the rules before enter an offer. Domain auction is not a flea market

Agree 100%

BUT .. don't you think the customer also has rights.. like in most other businesses to Cancel/Return or Request Refunds.. Unless of course it's a clearance item , which in this case is not..

 

[bravlanda10]

godaddy should just ban everyone who doesn't pay after they win an auction and make sure the same person cannot bid again even with another account

 

[-EM-]

godaddy should just ban everyone who doesn't pay after they win an auction and make sure the same person cannot bid again even with another account

They ban that user from tdnam, so yes, they do it

 

[Jen-Sin]

How many of us here would be happy to walk away with the money and knowing the buyer is less keen with the name?

Many of us see ourselves as professionals who help/advise individuals and startups regarding online branding.

Sellers will naturally be upset over non-payers. No offense to OP, however such shame and blame might only continue to perpetuate the bad impression of domainers as opportunistic cyber squatters.

 

[james haw]

As a buyer, the "push to auction" bit has always left a bad taste in my mouth.

But their bid is still the same, so if no more bids in auction they get the domain for the price they originally bid. If someone else bids higher then their bid is cancelled and they can decide to bid again, or not.

When buying from Godaddy, Sedo, etc, bidders should know how it works before placing a bid, and this includes knowing that your "bid" can be used to push the domain to auction.

That said, I do agree that perhaps separate listings would be better, with "Make offer no auction" so people can just make an offer without it turning into something else.

None of this has much bearing on Ms Domainer's debate though, as she made it clear to the bidder what was going to happen and they accepted that. So the bidder simply welched on an agreement/understanding. It doesn't sound like a "mistake" to me given the scenario and discussions which took place. Mistakes are clicking "Bid" on the wrong name or something, not bidding, then discussing, and also agreeing to something.

 

[-EM-]

But their bid is still the same, so if no more bids in auction they get the domain for the price they originally bid. If someone else bids higher then their bid is cancelled and they can decide to bid again, or not.

It is not the same. In fact it is very different situation.

 

[james haw]

It is not the same. In fact it is very different situation.

That said, I do agree that perhaps separate listings would be better, with "Make offer no auction" so people can just make an offer without it turning into something else.

 

[-EM-]

Good thing you agree by disagreeing yourself.

 

[james haw]

Good thing you agree by disagreeing yourself.

That's right because everything in life is black and white with only one possible meaning or another