Phishing for domains? WRONG! Is it just me whats your thoughts?

[scooby47]

I have read about this issue here and elsewhere on other forums.
Some " domainers" it has been "said" Phish / fish? (sic) and they cast the net to see what domains are out there.. they post "wanted " requests with " keyword" or " keyword + keyword" + desired extn with a target price that gets you on the hook .. so you reply ..

When I say reply .. I assume that you adhere to what they are looking for .. ie ) keyword(s) + extension with your desired price that meets their target budget .. maybe you even take the time to send a " friendly email " to say I have this domain name, I think it meets your criteria because of xyz to validate your offer of the domain to them .. you may even be stupid enough to say if was to retain this domain I "regged" / acquired it with plans to develop it xyz way with .. xyz content / affiliate programmes/ targeted keywords/ sub domains to the sector .. heck you even say that .. I would have done this myself but time permitting yadda yadda yadda and your even silly enough to say this is script to dev it here.. that you can use etc ..

and what do you know ..

No reply back . SO .. you wait ...

Jeeze you even find yourself logging in to check the messages at the relevant forum / sedo some other message exchange etc .. your hopeful ..you think its a good fit to the requirements ... NO .. your sure its a great match for what they are looking for ..

Mmm ..nothing back so far .. mmm ..nothing back yet ? Damn !! but you say to yourself .. its not a crappy domain .. it meets what they asked for surely??

a "thanks but no thanks" (a 2 second reply for the poster) back is polite to the sender ??? maybe that is just me ??

ie )
thanks but no thanks not what I am looking for at this time

good domain .. but too expensive for me I value it at ( whatever ) or I want to pay xx, xxx, x,xxx for this sort of name can we negotiate ??

errh.. sorry but READ the posted domain ad request and stop spamming !!! or I will have no choice report YOU if you spam me crappy domains irrelevant domains again !! ( Harsh but TRUE)

So.. I am having a Rant.. sorry all ! apologies ..

But my point is ...and heres where it gets annoying ...

So they do not REPLY back to you at all (you check and see they have read it/ been online since- YOUR SAD YOU HAVE CHECKED !) but all the while they keep the active request thread/ email dialogue / forum post/ sedo rep etc updated etc

and hey ho .. WHAT DO YOU KNOW they have researched your .com whatever desired domain " keyword - (I seek xyz request domain ) and regged another identical domain in someother .extension!!! instead !!

back to my original point .. is it just me ? or does this totally hack you off too ?

Even if you have not been unlucky enough to fall foul of the .whatever same domain but different extension reg within a a day or two of posting a reply back to the seeker / enquirer .. 14 times in a year so far for me !!!

Surely .. it is "courtesy" to offer up a thanks but no THANKS! its not what I am looking for this time reply??

Sorry all but it drives me mad ..

If your reading this.. So you want to buy? ????? most of us here are buyers too !

You post a request / you send an offer request to the POSTER! for the posting ..please have the courtesy to send a quick reply. ( it goes with the territory!)

and.. if YOUR a " domainer "

Phishing for domains... to make a quick buck

thats NOT how it works here at NP or anywhere else .. you will get find out in time.. SO play fair ..

and if you have buying requirements and post a request .. send a reply back ! thats the name of the game.

That owner that you hack off today , this week , this month , this year.. may just have the next " must have domain" that you seek in your portfolio .. and if your anything like me .. you will NEVER deal with that user again ..

A good reputation is hard won and easily lost ..

(that can be especially for newbies!)

RANT over ..

Scooby

 

[-REECE-]

Phishing is the wrong word to use for what you're describing...

I understand what you mean, but see it from a buyer's side -- If I put a "4 letter domain wanted thread" and get flooded with 100 offers, it's very time consuming to reply to everyone back, especially when most of the people aren't following the rules outlined in the post or are utterly clueless as to what their domain is worth -- either of those will merit an automatic no response from me.

Respect works both way and if a seller can't take the time to read a buyer's post, many of us buyers aren't going to waste our time sending them a reply. Namepros is a domain name forum, not an enduser forum -- when someone on here quotes me 100 times it's fair resale value, I can't help but think they either think I'm stupid or just want to waste my time.

As a seller, I'll generally say something in my post along the lines of "If I don't get back to you in 48 hours, I'm not interested" -- polite way to handle the situation.

 

[scooby47]

Absolutely a fair comment reply !


thank you and I do see the " potential acquirers" perspective

"Respect works both way and if a seller can't take the time to read a buyer's post, many of us buyers aren't going to waste our time sending them a reply. Namepros is a domain name forum, not an enduser forum -- when someone on here quotes me 100 times it's fair resale value, I can't help but think they either think I'm stupid or just want to waste my time.

As a seller, I'll generally say something in my post along the lines of "If I don't get back to you in 48 hours, I'm not interested" -- polite way to handle the situation. "

At least the individual who sends the reply ... back to to posting / dialogue knows where they may stand.

NO REPLY from your submission to them ?? ... but a reg occurs of that domain that that you sent them in another identical " keyword" / keywords " extn in a couple a of days ?? ie ) samenamesubmitted but you see that xyz extn regged ?? by the way you may have owned this 1+ ,2 +, 5 yr +, 10 yr +

I fully understand the I seek XYZ domain request poster's point of view - however I do feel as much as it it a pain to reply you should spend that few seconds to do so .. the newbies / noobies will learn with a harsh reply and the " hopefully/ should know better " domainers" will stop sending rubbish

Thanks for reading this RANT and taking the time to reply ...






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[simplyg123]

i recently received an email stating that there was a request for the domain extensions i don't own. My domain is skilledgraphics.com, this person stated he had a request for the same domain but .org, .info, .net etc...

He was basically stating that he was being fair, and decided to ask me if i wanted to purchase them first. Before he registered the requested domains.

He pointed out, that just because i have the ".com" domain, doesn't mean someone else cant use the others.

We basically argued back and forth because i kept turning him down and told him i didn't care. As long as they don't claim to be my company. And i told him if it ever came down to that i would then seek legal action.

He continued to argue, that i should act now, and save myself from the legal woes. He continued to try and bait me. I eventually just told him to go ahead and register the domains to the person requesting it. And i stopped responding to him.

It was an obvious attempt to get me to purchase domains by lying to me and telling me there were requests for my business name. If you check now, skilledgraphics.com is STILL the only registered domain

Be careful of these sneaky attempts. Those initiating them are persistent with there actions.

Actual email transcripts below

Phisher
Dear Sir/Madam,
We are Hong Kong Network Service Company Limited which is the domain name register center in Asia. We received a formal application from a company who is applying to register “skilledgraphics” as their domain name and Internet keyword on November 13, 2008. Because this involves your company name or trade mark so we inform you in no time. we would like to confirm if this company is your partner, subsection or some one you authorized, if it is not, pls inform us if these domain names and internet keyword are important to you and it is necessary to protect them by registering them first or not, thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to your reply.

Kind Regards,

Tony Liu

My Response
I appreciate you contacting me on this matter. We are a small home based business and we do not have any child companies or partners. Whoever is trying to register skilledgraphics is not affiliated with our company. Skilled Graphics is a registered trademark and we would appreciate it if you denied their request.

Thanks

Dennis Bosher - Owner
http://www.skilledgraphics.com

Phisher
Dear Dennis,

We perfectly understand this is your company name or trademark, and that was exactly why you’ve got these emails from us. Domains are different from trademark or company name, as they can be registered worldwide. Now for your review, we describe you all domains and internet keyword being applied:

Domain names as below:
www.skilledgraphics.net
www.skilledgraphics.info
www.skilledgraphics.cn
www.skilledgraphics.net.cn
www.skilledgraphics.hk
www.skilledgraphics.asia
Internet keyword as below:
skilledgraphics
As you did not authorize any one to use it, and because the domains are open registered worldwide,we would suggest you to register the domains ahead to prevent the misuse, if you consider these domains or some of them were important to you, and would like to protect them by registering them ahead, we would send you an application form. If these won't bring any loss or bad effect to your company on the internet, we will agree with their request of registration. Please make a quick decision and inform us, thanks for your support and cooperation.

Enclosed with the introduction to internet keyword.

Best Regards,

Tony Liu

My Response

Thank you for informing me. Our name is a registered trademark and if we have to seek legal actions in the future than we will. But as of now. We do not see this as a threat. Thank you for your concern.

Phisher

Dear Dennis,

In just email, I had said clearly because we are just a domain register center, and we usually deal with our clients' requests through the on-line operation and help them finish the registration if the domains are available. If you think these domains or some of them are important to you and it necessary to protect them, we could send you an application form to start the whole operation, if not, we will agree with their request of registration.
Of course you can suit this issue by engage in a lawsuit, but it's an exact unreasonable method, because you have to register them after you asked return your domain names, and it's uncertain that you can success in this suit, because there are many such cases happened, such as the global browsing company Google, which had paid for one million USD to purchasing the domain names have been registered by others,
This is all that I said, I hope you could give your final desicion after considering well. Thank you. Looking forwards to you.

Best Regards,

Tony Liu

My Response

Thank you for your concern Tony, feel free to register the names to whoever requests them, and if they later become an issue I will deal with it then. I really don’t care about the domains, but if they call their business Skilled Graphics, or try and impersonate my business, I will enter a law suit, as it will then become a legal matter.

Thanks again.