.tv Open letter to the Staff

[twomoon]

First of all sorry for my English.

I want to start from the statement that i love Namepros. I became a domainer because of Namepros.
I became a .tv'er because of .tv Subforum, created by equity78.
After March, 18 there were grate changes in .tv, many former members came back here. For one
month in .tv subforum there were more people than in normal Discussion forum. Old members returned back.
It was just great.

We all love .tv subforum, but there is one person, who don't even invest in .tv, don't care
about .tv, BUT has it's one opinion about everything. Mostly that opinion is worth big ZERO! as
I understood this person is don't HAVE any .tv's, and simply has much free time.

You can tell me, what influence thisc ONE person can have on discussion? Just one person... I
will tell you what influence - the majority of Experienced .tv'ers can't tolerate the NONSENSE
and went away. They are creating alternative places to talk without any stupid (zero valued)
posts.

My intention is to ask the Staff: what do you want - to have - a DEAD .tv subforum with a few
Non-sayers or would you like to have a real subforum with 20-30 Experienced .tv'ers, who will
share their experience with newcomers and other members?

I see that .tv subforum is going to nowhere. If not today, in 2-3 weeks it will be empty - because of
one person and moderation policy! (posts of people who is not agree with this ONE person are deleted)

if you want it - go ahead. If not - Please listen to the voice of the .tv crowd!

Thanks, Nick

 

[Skinny]

I think this is a slippery slope isn't it.

If you don't like this person X's opinion and you want NP to "censor" the forum and then someone else come's along and strongly disagrees with you then you will want that person banned as well, etc.

This is an open forum and if I've read all the rules as long as you aren't hateful, racist, slandering, etc or obviously crossing the line then those opinions should stay up there.

What's the point of an open forum and posts will be censored for content and opinions?

Edit:

And what about the .mobi forum. I believe there are a lot of .mobi haters out there. Should we delete their posts or ban them too. What about .us, .com, IDN, etc, etc.

If you think this person's posts have crossed the line then you should take it up with the mods here & he might get a warning or ban IF he deserves it based on the NP rules.

Skinny

 

[twomoon]

I think this is a slippery slope isn't it.

If you don't like this person X's opinion and you want NP to "censor" the forum and then someone else come's along and strongly disagrees with you then you will want that person banned as well, etc.

This is an open forum and if I've read all the rules as long as you aren't hateful, racist, slandering, etc or obviously crossing the line then those opinions should stay up there.

What's the point of an open forum and posts will be censored for content and opinions?

Skinny

Hi Skinny!
Welcome to dot tv! Who are you? Do you know about the problem?
Sorry but I don't care about .mobi. We are in .tv subforum
The BIG problem is that REAL .tv'ers are went away because of ONE NOT .tv'er. Is it OK?
Thanks, Nick

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Wonderful post Nick.

Last time something similar happened I fought against those who left to create other places to discuss .tv - this time I can totally see their point and feel much happier discussing all .tv issues without being asked what my development plans are, being given a smiley face, or any of the multitude of 'polite' 'on-topic' trolling.

I want the Tv section of namepros to survive and thrive - but if it doesn't because if uncontrolled trolling then who actually cares - other places will most certainly get my attention, and that of many others.

The customer is ALWAYS right - if the customer gets a slap in the face - they go elsewhere - if they feel at home - they stay.

EVERYTHING is up to us - and ALLTHINGS are important.

 

[Skinny]

Hi Skinny!
Welcome to dot tv! Who are you? Do you know about the problem?
Thanks, Nick

Hi Nick,

The last time I checked I'm a member of NamePros and am able to reply to any forum created. This isn't a private thread is it?

Sorry but I don't care about .mobi. We are in .tv subforum

Yes I realize that but people in the .mobi forum have haters too. In that respect it is similar to the .TV subforum.

The BIG problem is that REAL .tv'ers are went away because of ONE NOT .tv'er. Is it OK?

Everybody makes their own decision rather to leave NP or not. If you can't handle the opinion of someone and you want to leave that's fine no one is stopping you.

I would hope that REAL .TVers aren't going to be put off by one person's opinion.

Would you rather prefer a domain forum where everyone agrees on everything because MODs are banning people left and right for having their own opinion?

Should I be banned because I disagree with you?

Should you be banned if you disagree with me? I certainly would hope not.

Skinny

 

[hawkeye]

Twomoon, you may as well shout it in the Arctic Tundra. It's all about 'eyeballs', and noone can do it better than 'the sanctioned one'! :bah:

...My intention is to ask the Staff: what do you want - to have - a DEAD .tv subforum with a few
Non-sayers or would you like to have a real subforum with 20-30 Experienced .tv'ers, who will
share their experience with newcomers and other members?

I see that .tv subforum is going to nowhere. If not today, in 2-3 weeks it will be empty - because of
one person and moderation policy! (posts of people who is not agree with this ONE person are deleted)

if you want it - go ahead. If not - Please listen to the voice of the .tv crowd!...

"Survey says" - 'See history of .mobi forum!'

Deaf ears to all complaints. Of course that just spawned another forum and an exodus of np members. And we all know that 'history will/does repeat itself'!

Note: don't be surprised to see this whole thread 'disappear'!! :ghost:

 

[twomoon]

Skinny: sorry for telling you "who are you"
Sure you can post everything you want, but you really don't know what is the problem about. I don't know what was in .mobi section, but if ONE person who don't invest in dot tv and have probably some privileges can DESTROY SOMETHING BUILT BY .TV'ers - I think it's not OK.

Hawkeye - don't now about Tundra, but know about Siberia
I'm not complaining, just want to see reasons

 

[Skinny]

Skinny: sorry for telling you "who are you"

No hard feelings.

you really don't know what is the problem about.

You are right. I don't know the problem and I'm not going to pretend that I do. Look, I'd probably be pissed too if I was in your shoes.

But what if you own NP and run it? and you ban or delete this guy's post. Well the .TV subforum probably would do better right?

But then somebody come in and starts trolling the .TV subforum and so you ban him too. And then someone doesn't like someone else who disagree's with them about .TV because he has a different view all the time so you ban him, etc.

Then NP would be censoring or banning people or deleting their post because people didn't agree with them -NOT because they used bad language, used hate, racism, personal attacks, etc.

IF they do this and show a record of doing this then people will be afraid (eventually) to voice any opinion that is counter to what someone else puts forth because they will be banned.

Do you want to be part of that "forum"?

Skinny

 

[MillersCrossing]

Would you rather prefer a domain forum where everyone agrees on everything because MODs are banning people left and right for having their own opinion? Should I be banned because I disagree with you?Should you be banned if you disagree with me? I certainly would hope not.Skinny

I 100% agree with everything Skinny has to say.

Noone should be banned for having an opinion either pro or anti .tv.

BUT GOADING AND BAITING IS A WHOLE OTHER WORLD.

This is no longer a disagreement about .tv. He has made it perfectly clear where he stands on that.

But to continuously play the same tape the whole time is not to give an opinion - lets be honest here and put the bullshit to one side....it is the fact that he constantly degrades both the ext (which i really have no problem with) and the person who is making a pro.tv comment.(which I do)

I have been pro and against.Tv. Thats the nature of this very volitile but very lucrative (at least for me and quite alot of other people too)ext.

So lets call a spade a spade and stop pretending that this all about maintaining a forum where everyone has the right to an opinion...its about one person who has carte blanche power to do what he says and pleases.

Now, where i do agree, is that this forum is not a democracy. Its privately owned and run. If you dont like it here - there is the door. And many people are looking to kick in that door nob......

I think its a shame really. You guys at NP have been more than gracious to me and I am still very grateful....but that does not mean I or anyone else should put up with the baiting and the goading and the abuse and the repetitiveness and the smilies and the reg fee appraisals and the "back on topic" comments when he is the principle diverter of OP subject matter comments...ive run out of oxygen....

 

[GoneWalkabout]

The last time I checked I'm a member of NamePros and am able to reply to any forum created. This isn't a private thread is it?

The pertinent question here could be/is: "ARE you actually able to reply?" - did you really check - and what are your development plans ideas/beliefs/experiences either for/against our wonderful NP becoming said 'PRIVATE THREAD'.

Yes I realize that but people in the .mobi forum have haters too. In that respect it is similar to the .TV subforum.

What evidence do you have of this phenomena? Was .mobi hated, or was it ACTUALLY loved by long standing 30,000 plus posted members? In what means, either physical or metaphorical is it in any way similar to ongoing sideways/ten years long standing/failed .TV area? IYHO?

Everybody makes their own decision rather to leave NP or not. If you can't handle the opinion of someone and you want to leave that's fine no one is stopping you.

Is that 'Everybody' a figment of your imagination? I would suggest the facts suggest that most people who ACTUALLY leave Namepros are banned rather than leave. Could you supply facts/information without anecdotal or second-hand information to back up these erroneous claims? What is your personal view on this. Do you have devlopment plans for this view.

Could .web do it better? IYHO

I would hope that REAL .TVers aren't going to be put off by one person's opinion.

What is a 'REAL' .TVer. Surely it is one that posts most rather posts factual? Or is it one who believes that a failed/sideways extension can overcome it's imnherent problems/difficulties and overcom the 'teeny' island sinking calamity that is surely to be its fate? IYHO?

Would you rather prefer a domain forum where everyone agrees on everything because MODs are banning people left and right for having their own opinion?

Is this what you are advocating. do you have ANY evidence that this is actually happening her at our beloved NP. If it is left and right, is this a suggestin that those in the middle are being given exceptional/confused signals as to their own survivability? I fail to understand Please clarify why left and rieght but not, dare I say it - centre/center?

Just my two sense!

Should I be banned because I disagree with you?

No, but if you don;t get the idea of the pointless harrassment to this area by now, by my 'almost impression' you never will.


Yes, you are right. Everyone has the right to say 'something' - but should people really be given the right to constantly say 'nothing' and destroy almost every thread they encounter?



Sorry to pick your words SKinny - you are probably a great guy - but when people, en masse, start using other forums you know we've got a problem.

 

[MillersCrossing]

Probably another thread headed for nevernever land.

 

[twomoon]

For me the most important thing, the thing I CAN'T understand is: WHY people who CREATE this subforum with their posts, experience etc. should go away because of ONE person who contribute BIG NOTHING!
I'm not talking about criticism BASED on something. I'm talking about SENSELESS posts.

 

[hawkeye]

For me the most important thing, the thing I CAN'T understand is: WHY people who CREATE this subforum with their posts, experience etc. should go away because of ONE person who contribute BIG NOTHING!
I'm not talking about criticism BASED on something. I'm talking about SENSELESS posts.

It's just a 'mystery' here Twomoon. But one with a lot of history. One can look at the .info threads of 7 yrs ago, and the same nonsensical blabbering, flaming and goading was being perpetrated by no other than.... The Budgie himself. The 'sanctioned one' is entrenched here, no matter what disruption it brings to the 'expendable' many that complain.

 

[RogueWriter]

Mods have clearly shown in the past that the quality of a post is irrelevant, as long as the post itself does not overtly insult or demean anyone. They choose to view excessive redundancy and negativism from one individual as a perfectly acceptable category of posting.

 

[exsedo]

Just something to think about, Why do people reply to the posts and enter into discussion with this poster ?

If you can answer that question to yourself honestly, half of your problem is solved :imho:

 

[DU]

When there's a better place you go to that better place.
The history you leave behind is the history you leave behind.

Move on. Move forward.

Don't look back.

I'll see you there.

 

[RogueWriter]

Just something to think about, Why do people reply to the posts and enter into discussion with this poster ?

If you can answer that question to yourself honestly, half of your problem is solved :imho:

Eh, read my sig, lol. The problem is, people actually quote him in their threads, so I end up seeing his comments half the time anyway.

 

[namewaiter]

Noone should be banned for having an opinion either pro or anti .tv.

BUT GOADING AND BAITING IS A WHOLE OTHER WORLD.

exactly!

 

[Skinny]

Okay like I said I really don't know the whole situation, but by scanning the threads in the .tv subforum its fairly evident whom you view as the bad poster, then as exsedo said (you beat me to it)

Why do people reply to the posts and enter into discussion with this poster ?

Do not engage. If the opinion isn't real but made to get a response then don't respond and keep the thread on topic instead of diverting to why .tv sucks or not.

i.e if the OP asks a question about a .TV domain and said poster says ".TV sucks it's worthless" etc. but Poster 3, 4, 5, 6 etc. all engage the OP and try to help him or her there is only 1 post that hijacked the thread.

But if you engage and their are multiple replies then you've lost the battle. So do not engage. Period.

Skinny

 

[freedom30]

Maybe now that we have identified the frustrations of many here(of whom I respect)we can "circle the wagons" so to speak and expound upon the many positive categories that now are available to the .tv extension(no longer limited to "niche/vanity" as it once may have been identified as).

It is said that one apple can spoil the bushel but the person being targeted here IS NOT spoiling the .tv extension. He is giving his opinion, redundant though it may be, and it is actually incumbant upon each and every one of us to either agree or disagree with said opinion. No more and no less.

I have had my comments censored without just cause and have even been punished in an inane manner but at some point had to let it slide. The business at hand here is the .tv extension.

I hate to be a party pooper but if we can't take the antics of a disruptive party and counter them with cold and hard facts regarding the sucesses of this extension it states a lot more about us than the person we are seemingly offended by.

Sure, I'd like a tad less condescension from our friendly antagonist but that is his nature. I equalize that by what I would like to consider a more solid foundation of facts.

be that as it may, I have learned from all of you guys and hopefully I will be able to do the same for you.

take my word for it...the .tv extension will be here long after all of us, pro or con, are gone.

So, thank, TwoMoon for all you contribute and let's get on the business of making the extension profitable for all who invest in it.

.TV - I Like It!​