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Once an expired domain goes back to registry, how many days before it is available for registration

Labeled as question in General Domain Discussion, started by Primary Names, Feb 7, 2017

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  1. Primary Names

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    I have my eye on a domain at GD. Its in a closeout-sale BIN stage right now. The name is pretty irrelevant to anyone else except me. It is for my personal use, so I think it is not wise to spend around $25 on the auctionfee + renewal right now but rather wait for it to become available for general public registration and then register it. If I lose it, not a big deal. If I get it, it will save me a few hours of research for a new name.

    I read in the GD Doc that such expired domains are returned to the registry on the 43rd day. So my question is - Will the domain become avaiable on the 43rd day itself for registration or it will get stuck in some other kind of loop in the registry ?
     
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  2. domeen

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    My god. $25 is too much? go fast and buy it. I mean you save $17 if you let it go to delete and maybe not get it.
     
  3. Primary Names

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    @domeen, Yes that is pretty much it. I would rather invest additional $17 on picking some other domain. As I said the domain is not that important to me. If it was I would have bought it in a blink. The main thing I am interested to know is - how much time does the registry takes to make the domain open for registration. Is there a standard time frame or there is no such fixed rule ? BTW, it is a .com domian.
     
  4. usernamex

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    Sounds like it's still in Auction phase, if it was actually GD BIN Closeout, the price would only be $11 or less and would decrease daily until it got to $5. All the while, the current owner can renew and you lose out anyway, or it can be bought by someone else. If I were you, I would just wait until it hits $5 and grab it then, and make sure you have a working coupon code for renewal.

    You can use the Bulk Domain Drop Date checker here
    http://www.bulkseotools.com/bulk-domain-drop-date-checker.php
    and share just the date results without the name and that will help tell the exact date

    Like this one is going for $5 right now (hurry LOL)
    https://sg.auctions.godaddy.com/trp...formationclevvfgtddghtrddrtgddfdsdsdfsfsf.com

    So you would have to wait until 23 March 2017 until it the actual drop. After the GD Grace Redemption Period, there is a mandatory Registry RGP Redemption Grace Period of 30 days followed by Pending Delete 5 days.

    ETA OK I misread, you said $25 total not $25 plus renewal, still find a coupon code and buy it at $5 is my advice : smile :
     
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  5. Kuffy

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    it used to be 65 days or so. 30 days in expiry when it can be renewed at no penalty, 30 days in redemption grace when it can be redeemed for a fee, and 5 days in pending delete. I don't think it goes back to the registry until pending delete. However, registrars seem to put names up for auction when they go into expiry. I don't believe that a name bought during expiry can have a confirmed transfer until the end of the nominal redemption period.

    However, I've been out of the market for a few years, and the rules may have changed.
     
  6. Kate

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    Snap it now.
    Then it will be yours in about one week.
    Added bonus is that the domain will retain its original create date.
    Anything that is half-decent is snapped at the drops anyway. It's best to secure the name before it drops. You shouldn't expect that nobody else will see the name in the droplists.
     
  7. Primary Names

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    @usernamex Excellent insights there. Thanks
    @Kuffy - I too believe the same but I was hoping for a recent status.
    @Kate - Great advice. Thanks.

    Just a few follow-up questions for anyone reading this thread to answer -

    Scenario - Let us assume that no one bid during the GD redemption period ( lets call this GRP ) of 43 days. In that case GD says in its docs that the domain-name goes back to the registry. So, lets assume that the name went back to the registry. Now that the registry extends another 30 days of redemption + 5 days for pending delete so lets call this "registry-redemption-period" or RRP. Finally the questions.

    Can the original owner (with some extra fee) still reclaim this domain during the RRP ?

    Does the domain-name still remain with GD during the RRP ?

    If the above is true then is it correct to assume that the name probably goes back to the registry only after 43 GRP + 35 RRP = 78 days ?
     
  8. Paul Nicks

    Paul Nicks VIP Member GoDaddy Staff PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    This is the best visual explanation of the life cycle I've seen: https://archive.icann.org/en/registrars/gtld-lifecycle.jpg

    After the 45 day auto-renew grace period (which is when we run our expiry auctions) there is a 30 day redemption grace period where ONLY the original registrant can redeem the name for a fee. If the name passes the RGP then there is a 5 day pending delete window where the registry prepares to release the name back to the general public. The exact timing of the release after the pending delete period is a bit difficult to explain, but the drop catching companies seem to all have a pretty good handle on it.

    My advice mirrors many others on this thread, if you want the name, buy it when it hits the $5 closeout stage. If you are a discount domain club member, then you get the renewal for $8.29, so the total price is just $13.29
     
  9. usernamex

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    OK @codenoob the challenge is no one can tell you for certain - even GD - despite what is written and what support might answer, it has appeared to be inconsistent by a couple days in watching past names and dates. Even the experts are not certain - you will learn much here:
    http://www.domainsherpa.com/chris-ambler-domain-name-expiration/

    If you really want to let it go past the $5 GD Closeout, you should be checking the ICANN status codes with a non-cached whois. Personally, I get a ballpark idea of the drop date, then I check once every four days to make certain it hasn't yet hit the five day Pending Delete - once it does it takes a court order or act of god for the original owner to get it back. And I use Desktop Catcher and API access : smile :
     
  10. usernamex

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    @Paul Nicks - hey awesome! There seems to be some inconsistency in the GD 43 - 45 day window *OR* maybe it has changed over time so we are repeating bad info from the past.

    Can you confirm the number of days GoDaddy applies for auto-renew grace period?
     
  11. Kuffy

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    Auto-renewal ( or expiry ) period seems to vary between registrars and TLDs. In general it seems to be between 0 and 40+ days, but I suspect this depends on a number of factors. One of which seems to be the potential value of the name, and the level of interest. The average seems to be around 30 days though.
     
  12. Paul Nicks

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    Each registrar is charged a full renewal by the registry on the day the domain expires. The registry then grants the registrar 45 days in which they can ask for a refund for that renewal, if the registrar waits until the full 45 days are up they are pretty much stuck with the name. So, each registrar has different rules around how long during that 45 day window they keep the name renewed, which I know causes some confusion.

    For GoDaddy, starting on day 26 post-expiry we try to find a new owner for the name via our GD Auctions system (after many attempts to get the original registrant to renew it). Our auctions + closeout period lasts 15 days (day 41 post expiry) so we typically award the domain to the auction winner on day 42. On day 43 we take the domains we didn't find a new home for and request a refund from the registry.

    We process through tens of thousands of domains each day, so there are inevitably slowdowns or delays in our processing that sometimes pushes the refunds back to day 44. These potential delays are why we timed it out to day 43 originally, so we'd have a little cushion prior to getting stuck with the domains on day 45.
     
  13. cdboard

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    nice summary.
     
  14. Cdomains

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    Are you nuts man.

    If you really want it, buy it now.

    Do not wait.

    It is such a small amount of money.

    Why risk losing a name you want if it is so cheap.

    GRAB IT NOW!!

    Or wait until it hits $5 if you really think nobody will grab it before it hits $5.
     
  15. ChelseaDott

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    Some good information here.
     
  16. Robert91

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    really informative !!
     

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