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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
Code:
	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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Adding the list of available .info's

-Allan :gl:
 
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thanks for the list.. reps for u ;)
 
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It's been a long while, but I'm kickstarting this topic back up (thanks, RJ!). 4-Digit Domains (NNNN) have come a long way in a few short years. Most of the growth has been with the NNNN.com domains, which had been trading for $500-700 minimum earlier this year -- but seems to have dropped a notch with the slumping economy (recent sales in the $450+ range).

The names that have been very hard to track & follow are the NNNN.net domains. It seems that there just are not too many sales (reported at least) and that owners are content to hold. If the 10% rule holds true, that .NET domains are worth approx. 10% of their .COM counterparts, then the reseller price floor for NNNN.net domains should be around $45-50. However the market seems to be a little bit behind.

To get a better idea for myself and the rest of numeric domain investors, I will use this thread to track just NNNN.net domains. If you come across any NNNN.net sales, please post them here!

After doing some research, this is all I could find so far for 2008:

3766.net $30 bazaar.AfterNic.com Feb-08

2914.net $35 NamePros, May-08

1835.net $35 NamePros, May-08

6619.net $32 NamePros, May-08

2563.net $30 DNF, June-08

8945.net $35 NamePros, Sept-08

0711.net $365 Sedo Auction, Sept-08

1888.net $1,000 Sedo Auction, Sept-08

8191.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-08

5999.net $170 Sedo Auction, Dec-08

2400.net $120 Sedo Numeric Auction, Dec-08
 
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NNNN.org is also approaching buyout now with around 90% taken I believe.
 
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Great to see this thread re-opened.

There's a ton of activity taking place around the world - from new hardware and devices to improved browsers, lower cost/better value wireless data plans, mobile advertising, more and more quality mobile web sites and increased awareness, acceptance and use of numeric domains.

I have been a bit remiss on my numeric domains blog but am now back in the saddle. If you haven't had a chance, I invite you to visit via the link in my sig.

Cheers,
 
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Nice blog you have there Scott :)

I just blogged yesterday myself about cell phones and subscribers nearing 4B. Definitely see a very bright future for short numeric domains :)

onspec said:
Great to see this thread re-opened.

There's a ton of activity taking place around the world - from new hardware and devices to improved browsers, lower cost/better value wireless data plans, mobile advertising, more and more quality mobile web sites and increased awareness, acceptance and use of numeric domains.

I have been a bit remiss on my numeric domains blog but am now back in the saddle. If you haven't had a chance, I invite you to visit via the link in my sig.

Cheers,
 
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Thx Reece. Will check yours out as well.

Cheers,
 
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The first reported NNNN.net sale of 2009 should be 1453.net, which is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $100.

Auction Link
 
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An oldie but goody :) Glad to see this reopened!

There does seem to be a quasi-healthy reseller market for 4# .net's and 4# .org's - especially for buyers from outside of North America. With that being said, I'm still in a "hold" period for any name that isn't a reseller-quality name.

Thanks for the updates, paxton et al :tu:

-Allan :gl:
 
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paxton said:
The first reported NNNN.net sale of 2009 should be 1453.net, which is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $100.

Auction Link

1453.net

Winning Bid: 260 USD
Reserve met!
Auction ended: Jan/16/09

:tu:
 
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mirul said:
1453.net

Winning Bid: 260 USD
Reserve met!
Auction ended: Jan/16/09

:tu:
Unfortunately, Sedo cancelled the sale due to security concerns involving the winning bidder.

There have been many fraudulent Sedo buyers recently who issue chargebacks after completing Sedo's escrow. As a result, Sedo has been cancelling a lot of transactions and even suspending Sedo seller's accounts if a high number of sold/auctioned domains are involved.

According to a member of Sedo's security division, the scammers are targeting commodity type names (like 3 character, numerics, LLLL, etc).

Also, 2200.org is currently in auction at Sedo with an opening bid of $60: Auction Link
 
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360.org was reportedly sold for $25,500 at DNJournal. Nice to see other extensions getting into the mix.
 
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paxton said:
Unfortunately, Sedo cancelled the sale due to security concerns involving the winning bidder...
The buyer contacted me via email (I was the seller at Sedo's auction) and we completed the purchase. The buyer is also a NP member and he honored the auction price. So the first NNNN.net sale of 2009 held up after all.

:)
 
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I've got the tiny little numbers below:

9823.org

1003.INFO
5545.INFO
7701.INFO
8828.INFO
8988.INFO

even I don't know whether the .info worth anything.
 
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hi,

about the use of numeric sites, try this (or better, don't try it. at least use the latest FireFox and/or use google translation tool): www.5425.com

here is what you get:
"
This web site at www.5425.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
"

the owner can be unaware that his site has been compromised. if not, what a pity to use sucha a nice NNNN.com like that :|



i've been scaning NNNN.org (by the way, does anyone now a quick and less "agressive" way of testing the availability of domains without using WHOIS queries? i keep the query rate very low so as not to affect the servers but it take days to scan a 4C domain space).

After almost 4 years and this gTLD keeps having NNNN.org available to reg fee :|

i guess this is the difference between NNN domains with 10K combinations and NNNN with 100K..

at the moment, still around 1.2K specially in the range above 7000.

by the way, does anyone have a teory for this? "everyone" seems to say that 0, 4 and 6 are bad numbers but what i have seen is that most of the notably sales include them.

i understand the argument about the use on mobile phones but in that matter, how about the number 1? it's useless... in this case i guess that the apetite fot this number is related to zip and area codes around the world in wich countries seem to attribute the low numbers to their principal cities/regions...


regards,
tonecas
 
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Some more NNNN.net sales for 2009:

1516.net $278 Sedo, June-09

1535.net $100 Sedo Auction, May-09

5947.net $60 Sedo Auction, May-09

1777.net $90 Sedo Auction, April-09

8866.net $1,201 NameJet, February-09
 
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It's been a long while since I reported NNNN sales. For the most part, it's because NNNN.com domains have taken off to the point where everyone knows when, where, & for how much these 4-digit .COM names trade. And with NNNN.net domains, there has been very little to report on...

... Until now! It's been puzzling to me as a numeric collector/investor why the 4-digit .NET names do not trade inline with the .COMs. The .NETs have been at $25-35 for along while, and even as the .COMs have gone from $200, to $450, to $X,XXX for each sale -- the NNNN.net domains haven't moved much, or consistently, for years. I have seen only a handful of reseller sales on the forums for NNNN.net names, usually trading around $30 (or lower). There just hasn't been enough visible buying/selling going on up until this point.

Maybe I have had my head buried under a rock, but it was just this week that I discovered 4.cn. This auction site seems to be very active with numeric name sales. Here are their posted results for the last month for 4-digit .NETs (I converted RMB to USD using a ratio of 0.1464)

2698.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-22
1578.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-22
1456.net $99.53 (680 RMB) 2010-04-21
1839.net $58.55 (400 RMB) 2010-04-19
3387.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-18
5665.net $153.69 (1,050 RMB) 2010-04-15
2313.net $95.14 (650 RMB) 2010-04-12
3220.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-04-12
3605.net $52.69 (360 RMB) 2010-04-12
2158.net $87.82 (600 RMB) 2010-04-11
2186.net $108.31 (740 RMB) 2010-04-09
6336.net $168.33 (1,150 RMB) 2010-04-09
8578.net $55.62 (380 RMB) 2010-04-08
2655.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-08
1637.net $76.11 (520 RMB) 2010-04-07
1788.net $212.24 (1,450 RMB) 2010-04-05
1880.net $137.59 (940 RMB) 2010-04-05
9488.net $46.84 (320 RMB) 2010-03-28

It appears that this Chinese marketplace is a lot more active/liquid, and that it is welcome to everyone. There might be some good flipping opportunities.

Has anyone else been watching (or using) 4.cn?

-Pax
 
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Here are some more recently posted results for 4-digit .NETs (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1464) courtesy of 4.cn

3177.net $76.12 (520 RMB) 2010-06-16
5955.net $128.96 (881 RMB) 2010-06-04
9229.net $212.25 (1,450 RMB) 2010-05-24
4999.net $256.17 (1,750 RMB) 2010-05-24
4666.net $117.10 (800 RMB) 2010-05-20

Some good names with good prices.

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Hmm maybe it is time to part with mine, 7997.net. I've held on to it for over four years now ... any views on what it's worth?

Might try listing on 4.cn by the look of things!
 
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chimaera,

Both 7 and 9 are very good numbers, and that is a great repeating pattern. Based on recent sales data, I would suspect you would get low XXX at 4.cn. Personally, I would hold on a little longer. I think NNNN.net domains have been lagging far behind their .com coutnerparts for a long while now. Their value should continue to rise.

Speaking of sales data, here are two more reported 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1471) courtesy of www.4.cn:

8383.net $257.50 (1,750 RMB) 2010-06-21
6131.net $41.20 (280 RMB) 2010-06-21

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I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value. I have SixteenHundred.com (although I wiah it was 1900.com)? Your thoughts.
 
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I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value.
I believe they have value. Every so often, I run a scan on the following domain combinations

twentyone.com, twentytwo.com, ... twentynine.com
twenty1.com, twenty2.com, ... twenty9.com
twentyfirst.com, twentysecond.com, ... twentyninth.com

(repeat for thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, ninety)

All 216 names are always taken, and if by chance one is available - I would grab it.

That being said, I try to stick within this range. Because there are an infinite number of spelled domains. Obviously, some "spelled" numbers domains are going to be a lot better than others based on length, commonality, etc. If anyone has any reported sales info for these kind of domains, I'd like to see it.
 
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