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NUMB3RS: What’s the deal with 4-Digit Domains (NNNN)?

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People often ask me for my opinion on numerical domains, and in particular 4-digit dot coms (1234.com) and 4-digit dot nets (1234.net). Since number domains do not trade as frequently as letter domains, there is often uncertainty about their market value. Western webmasters/domain resellers rarely encounter websites developed on numerical domains, and question how easy such domain names are to monetize. Do these names get traffic? Can they make you money in the short term or long term or both? Here is my story, and hopefully it will answer some questions on what is happening now and where this segment of the domain market might be headed.

I have become a collector/investor of numerical domains. It started over a year ago when I noticed that a handful of 4-digit dot com domains (a.k.a NNNN.com domains) were selling for high prices in auctions for expired names. It was puzzling why some of these NNNN.com domains were available to register for the basic reg fee while others were commanding prices over $100. I asked around, but most people did not have any answers. In fact, a large majority thought these types of domains had very little value - reg fee at best. That is when I began to do my research. I began to track what prices these names were selling for in the open market, who was doing the buying, and how many NNNN.com domains remained unregistered. Based on the upward trend of such names, I concluded that it was worthwhile to register as many of these as possible for $8 and lower. It wasn’t long before all 10,000 possible NNNN.com combinations were registered. My attention then shifted to the expired name marketplace. At first it was possible to catch these names as they dropped using inexpensive services like Enom’s Club Drop. As NNNN.com domains deleted, most of them could be secured for $10 (+ registration fee). This lasted for a few weeks before the competition picked up and the names began heading to auctions. It was at this time that prices rose into the $30-$60 range, with some of them selling for over $100. A few high profile public auctions took place last year with the names going for $300+ each.

At this point I began to dig deeper into these types of names. There were many questions and very few answers. Early research showed that number combinations beginning with the numeral 0 (e.g., 0136.com, 0591.com) were the least desired, followed by numbers that contained the numeral 4. Apparently, “4" has negative meanings in various non-Western cultures. For example, in Ancient Hebrew and Chaldean philosophies, the number 4 is associated with mortality and death. Also, the Chinese people try to avoid the number 4 because it sounds the same as death in Cantonese. The numbers most in demand by domain owners were those with repeating numbers, those representing special historical dates, and those with numbers 3, 6, and 8. Again, this preference for certain numbers over others seems to be rooted in ancient numerology - where cultures believe that the universe is based on mathematical principles. As a result, numbers have great significance in people’s daily lives. In China lucky phone numbers such as 133-3333-3333 or 8888-8888 were reported as sold for more than $200,000 each. There are many other possible meanings for numbers. They represent dates, product numbers, physical addresses, phone abbreviations (think SMS) and they even substitute for words in mobile business services (see http://worddial.com).

Today, demand for NNNN.com domains is still strong. Just this morning, 8582.com sold for $180 at Enom. But what is really making the story of number domains interesting is the recent surge in interest of 4 digit dot net domains (a.k.a NNNN.net domains). Just a month or two ago, you could find many of these available to register. The demand was low and so were the prices. That has changed in a hurry. Now all NNNN.net domains are registered. As they expire, they are being caught by dropcatchers and auctioned off to the highest bidder. More auction results from today:

4623.NET $60
1383.NET $60
9915.NET $60
7818.NET $55
4080.NET $100

Yesterday I ran a check to see how many 4 digit domains were available in the .INFO and .ORG extensions. Since I knew all .COM and .NET versions were taken, I thought it might be interesting to see how popular they were in other TLDs. Here is what I found:

Number of Domains available to Register (as of 7/3/05)
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	      [b].COM	.NET	.INFO	.ORG[/b]
0000 - 0999	0	0	27	538
1000 - 1999	0	0	0	0
2000 - 2999	0	0	0	0
3000 - 3999	0	0	6	2
4000 - 4999	0	0	736	0
5000 - 5999	0	0	582	2
6000 - 6999	0	0	480	0
7000 - 7999	0	0	426	565
8000 - 8999	0	0	594	821
[u]9000 - 9999	0	0	448	861[/u]
TOTALS   	0	0	3299	2789


The results seem to indicate that someone is systematically acquiring these domains, one decile at a time. Some quick scans of the whois database revealed that this might indeed be happening. Does anyone remember Duke’s article entitled The Great Three-Letter .Info/.Biz Buyout: Elequa Alters the New Extension Landscape ? History might be repeating itself. Elequa publicly discussed numerical domains earlier this year in a February 23rd interview on DomainMasters radio. In the interview, Elequa talked about many topics, but in particular he gave some unique insight into why pure number domains have significance to the Arabic speaking world. If you would like to hear that interview, you can find it archived at Monikers website: Domain Masters: Online Radio Talk Show Archives.

So here we are today. We find that NNNN.nets are picking up steam in the marketplace. We know that NNNN.coms are still hot, and some of them are hitting new highs (last week 0753.com sold for $3,433 and 0572.com sold $2,450). We see that NNNN.infos and NNNN.orgs are being slowly absorbed into strong hands. To me, there is little to indicate that the value of these domains will go anywhere but up. They are scarce - only 10,000 four-digit combinations exist per each extension. They are often preferred by cultures who do not use the Western alphabet. As an owner of 4 digit domains, I notice that some names receive very high numbers of foreign type-in traffic. Experts predict millions and millions of new internet users will emerge from non-Western areas in the next several years. The long term potential for these names looks promising, from an investment point of view. But what about the short term? If domain owners want to hold on to their digit domains, can they make money from them?

When I first started to acquire these domains, I did not believe they would be easy to monetize. I tried parking them at various places like Sedo and DomainHop. Eventually, I moved them around to other PPC programs like DomainSponsor and Fabulous. It became clear that most of these programs were not well-suited for these domains. Most of them do not pay for Asian traffic. One program even contacted me directly to know that the type of traffic I was sending through my numerical domains was not the type they were looking to send their advertisers. They asked me to remove the domains. Next, I decided to give Google Adsense a try. I developed a few nice, simple pages and displayed some ads - and sure enough I got a few clicks. But total earnings were not much more than I got through parking with PPC companies. But since I now owned hundreds and hundreds of these domains, developing & hosting & tracking pages in this manner seemed not worth my time and effort. I was about to give up until I found GoldKey. Miraculously, GoldKey offers a solution for numerical domain owners. Some of my pure number domains that made nothing at other programs, were suddenly making several dollars per day (each). For those of you that own number domains that are not making you much money, consider giving these guys a try. Goldkey has an affiliate program, so if you are interested PM me. I can show you screenshots comparing the results for the same domains at various PPC programs as well as provide you my referral code. ;)

To be honest, not all of my digit domains receive traffic and generate click revenue. The majority of them are profitable, but some of them get no visitors at all. Rarely in the domain business is anything guaranteed - and making money off these domains is no different. To summarize: 4 digit domains are being accumulated in the major TLDs. All the .COM and .NET versions have been registered and as demand continues to be stronger than the supply, these names are consistently rising in price. You can make steady income parking these domains, as you wait for the next tidal wave of internet users to come online. As mobile and internet technology advances, who knows what new applications & systems will be developed that may increase the value of these domains. If you’re looking for an investment with a nice potential return - and limited downside, you could do worse than picking up some NNNN domains. As a reseller, you can decide to trade if these if you desire, but I doubt you will be able to flip these overnight for sizable profits. IMHO, the best course of action is to acquire them and be patient, picking up income along the way. You might be able to offset registration renewals with the parking revenue you earn.

Good luck.
 
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nnnn seem to be a good investment ,i only have 6462 and wish i had more

i would avoid names like twenty9 ...... i dont think mix and match is a good idea for these names
 
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SnapNames:
2288(.)net $1,756

regards,
tonecas
 
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SnapNames:
2288(.)net $1,756
A great NNNN.net domain & sale! Thanks for sharing.

Here are the latest 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.1475) as reported by www.4.cn:

8198.net $50.15 (340 RMB) 2010-07-14
0988.net $113.57 (770 RMB) 2010-07-13
9389.net $35.40 (240 RMB) 2010-07-12
3376.net $60.47 (410 RMB) 2010-07-06
2577.net $70.80 (480 RMB) 2010-06-30
8815.net $64.90 (440 RMB) 2010-06-29

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I have been wondering if any NPers have tried using 4.cn to sell their numeric domains. If anyone has used their platform, let us know how it worked out for you.

Here are the latest 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.147205) as reported by www.4.cn:

4450.net $35.33 (240 RMB) 2010-08-12
5938.net $35.33 (240 RMB) 2010-08-10
0094.net $58.88 (400 RMB) 2010-08-09
0751.net $559.38 (3,800 RMB) 2010-08-04
3166.net $91.27 (620 RMB) 2010-08-01
8204.net $38.27 (260 RMB) 2010-07-26
5115.net $91.27 (620 RMB) 2010-07-23
8275.NET $35.33 (240 RMB) 2010-07-20

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I'm not familiar with 4.cn - do you think 4-number .info year domains (such as 1958.info or 1993.info) would do well there? Thanks.
 
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I'm not familiar with 4.cn - do you think 4-number .info year domains (such as 1958.info or 1993.info) would do well there? Thanks.
My guess is probably not. There are several .INFO domains listed there but I see only one that is numeric (10000.info).
 
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Actually, I found four NNNN.info's listed at 4.cn: 0412, 0812, 0813, 5135. It says 0812 and 0813 have received bids; no way to tell how high, I guess.
 
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Actually, I found four NNNN.info's listed at 4.cn: 0412, 0812, 0813, 5135. It says 0812 and 0813 have received bids; no way to tell how high, I guess.

Oh you're right, I see them now.

I think the 4.cn system is like Sedo, where potential buyers can make offers. The minimum offer is set by the seller in their control panel, unless they choose to sell at a fixed price. When an offer is received, the seller can choose to send the name to auction. So what 4.cn is calling a "bid" is just an offer. Which could be a lowball, or it could be substantial. Like you said, no way to know for sure from our end.

I'm going to play around a list some NNNN names there and see what kind of response (offers) I get. Seems that there is nothing to lose in listing there.

The only concern I have is whether or not to try to park using their nameservers. If I park the domains at 4.cn, I will not receive any revenue -- but Chinese visitors will actually be able to see the landing page and that might result in more offers and potential sales.
 
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4.cn is fine but the sales listed above suck. Quality NNN .com's will get high bids, however.
 
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4.cn is fine but the sales listed above suck. Quality NNN .com's will get high bids, however.
Apples and oranges. The purpose of this thread is to track four digit domains, and in particular the .NET variety -- which will obviously pale in comparison to NNN.com sales.

There are very few reported NNNN.net domain sales despite the fact that all combinations have been taken for several years.

I remember when I started collecting NNNN.com domains for reg fee +/- $10 back in 2004 & 2005. Many were quick to point out how valueless those domains were but it didn't take long before they were selling for $XXX and sometimes $X,XXX in a liquid market.
 
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Ah ok, then let me add a NNNN .com "orange" that I sold for $1,700 a couple of months ago. It was a quality number.
 
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Ah ok, then let me add a NNNN .com "orange" that I sold for $1,700 a couple of months ago. It was a quality number.
Very nice!

We need more oranges and apples, and less lemons.
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Here are the latest 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.147411) as reported by www.4.cn:

9669.net $117.93 (¥800 RMB) 2010-09-09
8338.net $120.88 (¥820 RMB) 2010-09-02
4819.net $35.38 (¥240 RMB) 2010-08-31
9099.net $103.19 (¥700 RMB) 2010-08-20

As I posted before, I have listed many NNNN.net names with 4.cn to see what kind of interest they would generate.

In just a few weeks time, I have received over 30 offers for NNNN.net names. The median buyer offer is ¥500.00 RMB ($73.71 USD). I have not accepted any offers, but I have attempted to send a few to auction. Unlike Sedo, 4.cn requires that both the seller AND the buyer agree to a public auction. Potential buyers have not accepted my requests to start a 7-day public auction.

Also unlike Sedo, the seller is required to have funds held by 4.cn before the auction is started. The amount is ¥200.00 RMB (a little less than $30 USD). Since 4.cn allows paypal deposits, I have made a small deposit to facilitate sending a domain to auction. But I have not deposited enough money to enable multiple auctions - which has reduced my ability to actually get one of these offers to become a public 7-day auction.

In any case, it sure seems like a much better option for NNNN.net domain owners to try to sell on 4.cn then the usual reseller venues.

All IMHO.
 
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Thanks for the detailed feedback; the selling prices are horribly low though.
 
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Thanks for the detailed feedback; the selling prices are horribly low though.
They are low compared to overall sales, but compared to NNNN.net sales on forums they are much higher.

My last round of NNNN.net purchases on the forum was for an average sale price of $18 per name. I find it very interesting that U.S. resellers are trading these for less than a third of the price that the Chinese marketplace is paying.
 
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Here are some updated 4-digit .NET sales (RMB converted to USD using a ratio of 0.150477) as reported by 4.cn:

1365.net $63.16 (¥420 RMB) 2010-10-19
5213.net $36.09 (¥240 RMB) 2010-10-19
5037.net $36.09 (¥240 RMB) 2010-10-12
9880.net $75.19 (¥500 RMB) 2010-10-06
9321.net $142.57 (¥948 RMB) 2010-09-27
6131.net $51.28 (¥341 RMB) 2010-09-25
8292.net $39.10 (¥260 RMB) 2010-09-26

Re: my own 4.cn experiment - I am still receiving a lot of offers for NNNN.net names, yet nobody will accept my request for public auction. :td:
 
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After many offers, counter bids, auction requests, etc. -- I finally sold my first NNNN.net via www.4.cn today.

¥950 RMB ($142 USD) for 7345.net not including 4.cn's 8% brokerage fee. Not bad for a name I bought here at NP 3 months ago for $18.

The complete deal was finished within 30 minutes of accepting the offer. The buyer paid very fast and 4.cn was quick to verify funds received. I pushed the domain to the buyer's registrar account and the funds were released to my 4.cn account. I requested a payout via paypal which I hope will be completed by 4.cn by the end of the day.
 
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Paxton,
Have you figured out how to buy on 4.cn ie get money into your account other than sell a domain?
 
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Paxton,
Have you figured out how to buy on 4.cn ie get money into your account other than sell a domain?
Yes, they accept paypal. I used paypal to get my initial 200 RMB in there so that I could send domains to auction.

I was also paid via paypal for my recent sale.
 
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Sold another NNNN.net via www.4.cn - 3789.net

¥890 RMB ($134 USD) not including the 8% brokerage fee.

The transaction was completed the same day and my paypal request was processed in a few hours. I'm rather pleased with 4.cn and their system.
 
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I was curious if numbers spelled out had any value. I have SixteenHundred.com (although I wiah it was 1900.com)? Your thoughts.
Just a heads up that thirty5.com recently sold at auction @ Sedo for 380 Euros ($522 USD).
 
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$134 ? Sounds like weekend dinner money is earned.


Sold another NNNN.net via www.4.cn - 3789.net

¥890 RMB ($134 USD) not including the 8% brokerage fee.

The transaction was completed the same day and my paypal request was processed in a few hours. I'm rather pleased with 4.cn and their system.
 
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$134 ? Sounds like weekend dinner money is earned.
Theo, that dinner was consumed about a year ago.

11-10-2010, 11:36 PM :hehe:
 
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Oops :D I guess that pu pu platter is cold by now :D
 
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Are all NNNN.infos taken? How much are they worth on average?
 
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