Nice Try GoDaddy's!

[onlyme]

I came here to do some research and to compare note.

I found this post:

"I 100% agree with Ms Domainer, if it reaches Pending Delete, it will drop on the 6th day after it enters Pending Delete Status. The Registrar can no longer recover the domain, and it's a free for all, for anyone to grab, including the OP." - https://www.namepros.com/threads/after-redemption.729619/#post-4183029

But I have found that in the last few weeks, GoDaddy is changing the status of domain names from PendingDelete to redemptionPeriod.

And the domain name is not dropping!

And GoDaddy keeps control of the domain name.

I thought that after PendingDelete, the domain name MUST drop!

Is this something new?

 

[Name Trader]

What does the whois say. Has it kept the original registration date or is it a new registration? If it's a new registration, then the domain dropped and was picked up by somebody at GoDaddy. If it retained the original registration date, it probably wasn't in pending delete status, and the original registrant renewed.

It's impossible for anyone, including GoDaddy, to go from Pending Delete to Registered without passing through Deletion, first.

 

[onlyme]

Yes, I understand what you say is how it is supposed to works.

But somethings changed in a number of domain names that I tracking.

I am only seeing this with GoDaddy.

See here:

Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, LLC
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 440
Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
Name Server: NS27.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS28.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: redemptionPeriod http://www.icann.org/epp#redemptionPeriod
Updated Date: 12-jan-2015
Creation Date: 02-dec-2007
Expiration Date: 02-dec-2014

I would expects with a 12/2/2014 expiration date that it would have gone to pending delete earlier this month.

Which it did.

But after pendingdelete, I see that Wild West Domains (GoDaddy) just decided to hold on to it by taking it back to redemptionperiod.

It is a valuable domain name so I hope this is not a trend.

Problem though because I see lots of domain names like this now...

 

[timestamp]

My domain entered PendingDelete within first 60 days after expiration (somewhere between 30 and 60 I think), after 60 days it went back to RedemptionPeriod.
Real PendingDelete is 75 days after expiration. Maybe this was just a glitch.

 

[Name Trader]

Where are you doing your whois lookup? You should do it at the actual Registrar. Every .com/.net domain is automatically renewed with the Registry, paid by the Registrar, and refunded on Day 45 if it is not renewed. The Registry Expiry Date will always be 1year ahead of the Registrar Expiry Date for those 45 days or until the domain is actually renewed by the Registrant, whichever comes first. Do your lookup at WildWest Domains and look for the Registrar Expiry Date.

 

[NameOmnia]

In my understanding what happens is that GD renews domains and keeps putting them for auction until they are sold otherwise they drop them.
More than one time I bought GD closeout domains paid for the famous " auction package " plus the domain and when I checked the whois I found out I didn't have a whole year of registration..
This is where my hypothesis come from, but I can be wrong.

 

[greggb]

A great example is drone411.com, which would be an absolutely horrible domain name to own, because no one wants the 411 on drones. People just want to fly their drones. But let's say that hypothetically someone wanted to own this domain name. Let's add to this hypothetical by saying they heard from a small bird that it had passed its expiration date, and they did a GoDaddy whois and go this info:
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Creation Date: 15-NOV-2012
Updated Date: 26-DEC-2014
Expiration Date: 15-NOV-2014

Nameserver: NS17.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Nameserver: NS18.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Registry Status: redemptionPeriod

Incidentally, GoDaddy reports "No match for "drone411.com" in the registrar database." But yet the GoDaddy whois has all this info about it.

"Hello Left-Hand, my name is Right-Hand. I don't think we've met," went the conversation between GoDaddy's hands.

Now as of today we're well over 42 days past expiration. 42 days you ask? Is that how long it rained after Noah got in the ark he made, against the better judgement of his peers? No, that was 40 days. 42 days is how long GoDaddy waits, approximately, before cancelling a domain name. Why? Because GoDaddy has Danica Patrick, and she's still kind of hot.

"Approximately" is the key word. Nice work, GoDaddy lawyers. Approximately 42 days can mean right around 42 days, or 420 days, or until the end of time, or the very next nanosecond.

As of 2015-01-25 00:28:34 GoDaddy says:
For expired .com, .net, .org, .info, .biz, .us, .ws, .name, .cc, .mobi, .me, or .tv domain name registrations, we hold your domain name for approximately 42 days before canceling it.
https://support.godaddy.com/help/article/609/can-i-renew-my-domain-name-after-it-expires

Over here they talk about 43 days being a key day:
https://support.godaddy.com/help/article/6700/what-happens-after-domain-names-expire

Somewhere else they mention 42 days in a way indicating that it's really just a suggested guideline. I can't find that link now. But obviously, it's just a number they're throwing out. If you ask me, someone in the GoDaddy PR department came up with 42 by dropping a zero, if you follow me. And God-bless them for that.

On that note, "godaddy420.com" is available. I dare you to buy it and see if you get sued for trademark infringement.

 

[Kate]

Probably the most likely cause is that you've been looking at cached/outdated whois.

 

[campout]

I watched CEOISM.com go through expiration in GoDaddy a couple weeks ago. It went through the Buy It Now down to $5. I don't believe anyone bought it.

Now I just checked and it is back in a 90-day auction with a minimum bid of $250:
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=154516677

"Status" is RedemptionPeriod:
https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.as...=ceoism.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&isc=Gofdca38&rd=1

 

[onlyme]

I watched CEOISM.com go through expiration in GoDaddy a couple weeks ago. It went through the Buy It Now down to $5. I don't believe anyone bought it.

Now I just checked and it is back in a 90-day auction with a minimum bid of $250:
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=154516677

"Status" is RedemptionPeriod:
https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.as...=ceoism.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&isc=Gofdca38&rd=1

Yes, this must be what is happening.

You are seeing the same thing.

Godaddy are putting the domain name up for auction after pendingdelete.

I doubt that GoDaddy is paying to renew the domain name which seems like an unfair advantage.

If they want to rolls the domain name into their auction process, they should pays!

 

[onlyme]

Probably the most likely cause is that you've been looking at cached/outdated whois.

Definitely not.

No one can register the domain name, long after it should have dropped.

Ends up in GoDaddy auction until they decide to drop the domain name.

Must be very profitable for GoDaddy!

 

[onlyme]

Where are you doing your whois lookup? You should do it at the actual Registrar. Every .com/.net domain is automatically renewed with the Registry, paid by the Registrar, and refunded on Day 45 if it is not renewed. The Registry Expiry Date will always be 1year ahead of the Registrar Expiry Date for those 45 days or until the domain is actually renewed by the Registrant, whichever comes first. Do your lookup at WildWest Domains and look for the Registrar Expiry Date.

Yes, lookups at registrar.

Ooops to my earlier message.

So you are saying it is some kindof loophole where registrar can pay for domain name for 45 days and then refund if no one buys??? I did not know this. Is this really true?

 

[campout]

Even if there is a 45 day period, that still doesn't square with them putting these names up for 90 day auctions.

 

[Name Trader]

@onlyme - Its not a loophole. Every Registrar has to pay the Registry the renewal fee for .com/.net domains when they expire. If it is not renewed by the Registrant after 45 days they will be refunded. This is why it is important to look up the domain only at the Registrar's whois server. This is the only place which will show the Registrar's expiry date. Everywhere else will show the Registry expiry date.

As an example, look up LemonKit.com at SamsWhois.com (which shows both Registrar & Registry whois info). This domain is not at GoDaddy but demonstrates exactly what I am saying.

 

[onlyme]

Thank you for explaining. But it still does not make sense.

Your example is not yet 45 days.

In the example that I provided which shows the GoDaddy problem, the domain name expired > 45 days:

Expiration Date: 02-dec-2014

And it has been well over 45 days.

When it should have dropped, the status was changed back to RedemptionPeriod! No other changes.

I have never seen domains go from RedemptionPeriod to PendingDelete and then back to RedemptionPeriod. Without dropping!

This started about a week ago.

Please tell me what I am missings.

It has been 45 days.

Just today, I see two more not dropping after 45 days and keeping the same expiration date. So this is definitely a trend with GoDaddys breaking the domain system.

 

[Name Trader]

What you are saying is not possible, imho. It would be clearer for me if you could provide some examples by PM. Next time take some screen shots.

Also. Domains don't drop at 45 days. They are returned to the Registry at 45 days. At which time the Registry reverts the Registry Expiry Date back to the actual expiry date, because they refunded the renewal fee to the Registrar. Before 45 days the Registrar and Registry expiry dates are out of sink by 1 year at the Registry. This is true for all Registrars, not just GoDaddy.

.Coms drop at 81 days.

 

[onlyme]

Exactly.
Not possible, but it is happening.
I will PM you the domain name.

 

[onlyme]

Here is the GoDaddy drop schedule: https://support.godaddy.com/help/article/6700/what-happens-after-domain-names-expire

I do not see 81 days, but it is definitely longer than I expected with the auction process.

The page says, "The domain name might not be available for renewal after day 42."

But they do not explain this, so this is the confusion point.

 

[Name Trader]

I have experienced something like you say a couple of times this week, when I picked up a couple of Closeout Auctions at GoDaddy. I wondered why I got my other domains I picked up, but one of them, when I checked the whois, was no longer available on GoDaddy's servers, meaning they had returned it to the Registry, so couldn't put it in my account. I zapped off an email to GoDaddy, and the domains were quickly recovered from the Registry and put in my account, with immediate effect. This has happened twice in a week so far. But they never went back to Redemption Period Status, afaik.

 

[Name Trader]

There are 3 more dates to expired domains which GoDaddy miss out

45 Days - The domain is returned to the Registry
75 Days - Goes into Pending Delete by the Registry
81 Days - Domain is dropped by the Registry

As I said by PM. You have to stop using the word drop when referring to the domain being returned to the Registry. I also think you should use my SamsWhois.com instead of what you are using now. You will see the changes to the Registrar and Registry whois records I have been explaining to you.

I didn't see anything wrong with the whois of the domain you sent me. It has been returned to the Registry by WildWest Domains. But it won't drop until Day 81. But it can still be recovered by the original registrant by paying GoDaddy's Redemption Fee ($80 I think) up to Day 75.