NEW!!! There will always be a valid record of your domain ownership.

[Red Rock]

Hey everyone,
I just got this in my email today.
I cannot believe this rule did not exist before today.
But I am very happy that it does NOW!

05:58:06 -0700


Dear Red Rock,

We know you value your privacy. So we wanted to let you know we've made a required change to our privacy policy.

The change is in compliance with an effort by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the global organization that governs domain registrars.

To protect consumers from losing their domain names if the registrar goes defunct or loses its accreditation, ICANN now requires all registrars to store a copy of their registrations with an outside data storage firm. This protects you by ensuring that there will always be a valid record of your domain ownership.

The storage provider we've chosen is legally obligated to safeguard these files. Your name and other personal information will continue to be protected, but now with an added layer of security.

Regards,
Domains By Proxy


Pretty Cool, Huh?
Take Care,
Red Rock!

 

[Name Trader]

So now we have to worry about another party securing our data. GoDaddy, DomainsByProxy, and now some unknown party we don't know anything about. I think the more people who know about our info, the less secure that info is.

 

[Red Rock]

Hmmm,
OK Stub,
You do have a valid point.
1 more entity with our info...not great.
But this is the 1 entity (ICANN) that matters most!

ICANN now requires all registrars to store a copy of their registrations with an outside data storage firm. This protects you by ensuring that there will always be a valid record of your domain ownership.

As the amount of new domain registrars open up daily...
The amount of wide spread domain ownerships are scattered more each day.
I think that with ICANN stepping in, and holding onto that info,
We will be a little more protected!
What happen's when those ma and pa register companies open,
then close, or go bankrupt, or just forget about their customer's...
I really don't know.
What if one lonely guy in Zimbabwe, opened his own registry,
Then he dies, after you registered $10,000 worth of domains?
What happens then?
How do you get them back?
ICANN, can now help!

I won a coupla auctions here, during the LLLL.com auction.
One of my wins, wasn't ever able to be pushed.
The seller, (Perfectly Honest and Honorable NP member)
tried his hardest to push his domains to me.
Everything was messed up.
This registrar is in China.
Well, he had alot more in there, than the few that I won.
He cant get to any of them.
And no customer service!
So now what happens there?
He even has a thread going, about what to do now?
Well, with this ICANN, safe-record keeping...
I have a little more faith, that no matter what happens,
with that lonely guy in Zimbabwe,
or that Crappy Company in China,
that we will be able to always have a safe-guard!
Now, our domains can't just vanish into thin air.
Call me an optimist,
but I THINK it's for the better.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[Dave_Z]

So now we have to worry about another party securing our data. GoDaddy, DomainsByProxy, and now some unknown party we don't know anything about. I think the more people who know about our info, the less secure that info is.

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-09nov07.htm

ICANN has concluded negotiations and entered into an agreement with Iron Mountain Intellectual Property Management, Inc. to provide escrow services under ICANN's Registrar Data Escrow (RDE) program. ICANN selected Iron Mountain through a competitive Request for Proposals process concluded earlier this year.

Under the data escrow provision of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA), all ICANN-accredited registrars must regularly deposit a backup copy of their gTLD registration data with ICANN through ICANN's arrangement with Iron Mountain or they may elect to use a Third Party Provider of RDE services that has been approved by ICANN.

Now rumor hazz it...

 

[Red Rock]

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-09nov07.htm


Now rumor hazz it...

Dave,
Awesome Link,
All to be done in 6 months...Great!
Thank You Much,
Rep Added to you!

 

[Name Trader]

Is this the same ICANN who awarded the .com registry to Verisign when there were other, better offers on the table?

 

[Red Rock]

Is this the same ICANN who awarded the .com registry to Verisign when there other, better offers on the table?

I don't have any knowledge of that decision...
Can you post a link?
Thx

 

[Name Trader]

You could google... ICANN awards .com registry to Verisign

This link on page 2 sticks out to me..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/03/icann_board_member_statements/

There are probably many other worthy links.

 

[Red Rock]

OK,
Yeah,
This is the same ICANN who basically made a...
behind closed door deal with Verisign.
Then Verisign raised the fee's.
Definitely a very snaky deal.
That is a whole other topic, though.
Unless, there is something I'm missing,
this protective valid record of our domain ownerships,
that ICANN passed today, and instills w/in 6 months...
can only be a good thing.
They are protecting us from those shady registrar's.
I thought it was cool when I saw that in my email this morning,
ESPECIALLY after just going thru a HUGE problem w/a Registrar,
this past week.
L8R!

 

[accent]

This is a result of the Registerfly fiasco. Newcomers should perhaps search the forum for "registerfly" to learn a bit of the lack of control ICANN('t) has of this industry. For example ICANN had to get a court order to examine Registerfly's records in order to determine what domains were registered through them. They had no other way to know.

And Registerfly remains open for business to this day.

 

[Name Trader]

And Registerfly remains open for business to this day.

... with the same owners/people in charge and a name change to RegFly. It's truly shocking they haven't been shut down and put in jail. Whatever happened to the lawsuits? ref: www.registerflies.com

 

[Dave_Z]

Whatever happened to the lawsuits?

http://www.icann.org/general/litigation-registerfly.htm

Default Judgment Entered Against RegisterFly [PDF, 193K] 24 September 2007

http://registerfly-lawsuit.com/developments/index.shtml

Friday, March 7, 2008
Motion for Default Judgment filed against RegisterFly, Kevin Medina, UnifiedNames and Hosting Services Group. This differs from the Entry of Default entered by the Clerk of Court in that the Entry of Default simply establishes the time of the default, whereas the Default Judgment is a determination that the Plaintiff has won the action and is entitled to a remedy. Our Motion for Default Judgment is our request for this judicial determination.

 

[cache]

I always assumed that someone would backup the record, otherwise where would our reg fees go?

 

[Red Rock]

I always assumed that someone would backup the record, otherwise where would our reg fees go?

Just my assumption...
to that registrars pocket!
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
LOL

 

[Dave_Z]

Just my assumption...
to that registrars pocket!
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
LOL

Where else do they go anyway?

 

[gpmgroup]

Why don't they just have a central registry like .info for .com and .net ???

It would save a lot of policy, expense and complication with various 3rd party escrow agents.

Then add public and non public fields - Or is that too simple?

That would give 2 independent places of ownership record you could alway escrow the whole registry if you wanted a third lol

Having registrars escrow their data seems to be madness its a bit like getting the fox to guard the chicken.coop