NEW "G"S KICK ASS ON EXACT MATCH .COM SALES COMPS

[168]

MERRY CHRISTMAS NEW "G" SUPORTERS !

DEDICATED TO LOLWARRIOR

For takin some heat 12.6 / pg 6


Source: Namebio/Sold.Domains
Please post additional sales comps if you have them. There wasn't much to find due to .Com age and NDA's
Disclosure: I invest in .Global and.Club
Free endorsement

IF YOU HAD INVESTED IN THE NEW "G"'S BELOW VS. .COM YOU WOULD BE ABOUT 180K HAPPIER TODAY!
YES FOLKS. THAT'S A WHOPPING 180,000.00 ( AFTER EXPENSES )


HAPPY HUNTING !

DATE (.COM) .COM NEW “G” DIFFERENCE DOMAIN

5.08 6500 50000 +43500 LUXURY.ESTATE
5.09 2000 15000 +13000 JOBS.GLOBAL
9.15 2055 19200 +17145 WEB.BIZ
2.16 3438 12000 + 8562 LK.GLOBAL
4.13 350 13750 +13400 CHINESE.CLUB
4.14 9500 100000 +90500 AUTISM.ROCKS
7.08 3688 25000 +21312 BUSINESS.GLOBAL

27531 234950 + 207419

 

[slader23]

I tried to be nice about it when I posted my response. A couple of the new TLD sales beating the .com actually made sense. But @168 did leave out an important part, the sales venues, and though he did post the dates of the .com sales, some people could have misread them as month/day instead of month/year.
The point is that some of these are old sales and even sold at places like NameJet, where things mostly go for reseller prices.

luxuryestate.com was sold in 2008. Fine, maybe it wouldn't sell today, or for hardly any more than it did in 2008. I'm no expert.

webbiz.com was sold on Namejet, probably not an end user sale.
web.biz is clearly better here anyway, in my opinion.

Weren't all of the .global ones sold by the .global registry? So how does this statement apply:
"IF YOU HAD INVESTED IN THE NEW "G"'S BELOW VS. .COM YOU WOULD BE ABOUT 180K HAPPIER TODAY! "
And it seems like one of them may have even been sold by the registry to a domainer.

autism.rocks was an outlier sale, most likely a donation to an autism charity.

chinese.club, a Namejet sale, was compared to an end user sale for chinese.club. Yes, I still think the chinese.club sale was good. I think anyone here could tell you that chineseclub.com would sell for much more than 350 USD to an end user. How much? I don't know.

Now please stop telling people they are only spewing rhetoric while you are failing to look at the reality of those few sales he posted and wanting us to bow to your own rhetoric instead.

This isn't news, in my opinion, and shouldn't be in the News section (oh, never mind, it did get moved). It's a list of a few sales without some of the key details.
But I really don't mind that he posted it in the news section. People who are gullible will lap it up wherever it's posted.

Stop trying to make assertions on aspects of a sale that cannot be quantified. Nothing that I have said is rhetoric, if you actually took the time to read what I said you would have realized that all I have done is assess his responses and dissect his logic. I'd like to point out that what you have said, also fails to make any clear conclusions. Your looking at data and making assumptions on things that are impossible to quantify, there is no way of knowing if a sale is to a domainer and making that assumption defies rudimentary logic. Fact is Chineseclub.com, has not sold so it cannot be compared so there is no point in including something that lacks relevance to the original discussion because you can't make clear conclusions from "maybe's".


Your the one spewing rhetoric here because everything you have said has been completely opinion based and full of intangible information, i.e full of assertions that "might" be true or "might" happen. I don't deal with maybe's and I suggest you stop doing so as well.

Now kindly stop posting in this thread. I get no enjoyment out of this. Your derailing the purpose of this topic, so be conscious of that as well.

 

[Beezy]

This is an extremely dangerous thread and slader, in particular, is spreading some false equivalencies. Stay woke y'all.

Follow the $.

 

[slader23]

This is an extremely dangerous thread and slader, in particular, is spreading some false equivalencies. Stay woke y'all.

Follow the $.

False equivalences of what? Please I'd like to know exactly what I said was equivalent. Your the one posting false information by saying that, me in particular is posting false information. All I have done is assessed and dissected peoples logic and made their bias(including yours) clear for everyone to see. I never said a single word in this thread about what was better, worse or equal. I own over a 100.coms and only 12 ngtlds. I'm not in love with them either but when I see people posting BS, I feel inclined to call them out. Just like I'm calling out your BS.

 

[wormfood]

I never claimed that any of those were definitely sold to domainers. I said based on the prices and venue, one or two of them probably were. But fine, if you want to compare any old sale from any year and venue to any other sale, be my guest. That sounds like a really good way to do analysis. I didn't do a full analysis or anything either, but that wasn't my goal. The goal was to show how ridiculous some of those comps were like autism.rocks.

.club "became available to the general public on May 7, 2014"
chinese.club 13,750 USD 2014-04-30 Sedo
? April 2014. I'm curious what happened here. Was there a sale or auction on Sedo by the registry before general availability?
Whois says the .club registry owns it now.

 

[dordomai]

Whois says the .club registry owns it now.

possible that the sale never happened then. Fake bids happen all the time.

 

[wwwweb]

You need more data to prove your point. in 2016 it is just not true, .com is still first pick, gtld's are an after thought. Many companies paid brand protection, and maybe were not educated enough, against 127M .com's registered, you only listed a few G sales, I think those data points are not strong enough to validate such an assumption against a whole extension.

 

[slader23]

You need more data to prove your point. in 2016 it is just not true, .com is still first pick, gtld's are an after thought. Many companies paid brand protection, and maybe were not educated enough, against 127M .com's registered, you only listed a few G sales, I think those data points are not strong enough to validate such an assumption against a whole extension.

Neither set of data points provided are good enough. When there is at least 5-10 years of retrospect things will be more clear because some of these new gtlds are still in the infancy stage and most true premiums are being held by their registries. I just want to point out that I never said ngtlds were better, worse or equal. I made clear that there were some very bias assumptions and the fact that most negative posters don't realize that they are derailing the purpose of this thread, which was to post information that another NP member failed to do in another thread and was abused because of it. It was a sincere gesture by the OP, and now this thread has taken an incredibly negative turn thanks to some of the posts by other users. People need to be more aware, rather than blindly express their opinions. There has to be some level of decorum otherwise things will continue to go back and forth, with people saying the same things over and over again, expecting different results. Kinda crazy isn't it?

 

[168]

what I find is that when I find a sale the .com is usually selling higher. So I think it's just not true that they are selling for more. I don't know how the list was made and who made it but for me it is the opposite, it's much harder to find an nGTLD that sells for more.

more random sales..

jeuxcasino.fr 5,000 USD 2016-03-29 Uniregistry
jeux.casino 1,132 USD 2016-04-19 Sedo

sex.guide 605 USD 2016-05-18 Flippa
sexguide.nl 1,550 USD 2013-10-02 Sedo
sexguide.be 984 USD 2015-06-04 Sedo

healthy.news 250 USD 2015-09-22 Flippa
healthynews.com 600 USD 2005-10-01 SnapNames

seoacademy.in 1,000 USD 2012-03-28 Sedo
seo.academy 798 USD 2015-10-16 Sedo

businesscollege.com 6,100 USD 2013-04-28 NameJet
business.college 3,900 USD 2016-01-21 NameJet

The list came from verified sources. Please no sales post of anything other than New"G" vs .COM Going Forward

OK Healthynews and businesscollege although they look better in the New"G"
qualify for a .Com win.

SCOREBOARD NEW "G" 8 .COM 7 One more and it's a tie

When we get to a tie We can add up the ROI You think the .COM will even get close to 180K after expense?
Happy Hunting

 

[168]

Off-topic ??

Yes
Everyone gets A pass, then a friendly reminder, then a rude reminder, then kicked off
Cheers

 

[168]

You need more data to prove your point. in 2016 it is just not true, .com is still first pick, gtld's are an after thought. Many companies paid brand protection, and maybe were not educated enough, against 127M .com's registered, you only listed a few G sales, I think those data points are not strong enough to validate such an assumption against a whole extension.

Yes .COM is still first pick, for now there is no debate on this point
No New "G"s are not an after thought
Yes definitely more data is needed. Can you admit it happened much sooner than anybody would of thought ?
Yes the list was short mainly because of no data for the .COM sales Age, NDAs probably big factor
Now that some of use are aware, it will be tracked by both perspectives.
No there was not an assumption against a whole extension. Yet another BS claim to discredit the findings. Really, Just the Facts Jack.
It was simply a test to get other "so called experts" to back down on the opposite claim of New "G"s never being worth more than
(A) .com Not all of them Duh. The top .com sales will most likely be the top for a long time. That's a given.
YES, it's not likely to be all .coms -
I never said anything about "validation or the whole extension". YOU DID AND YOUR STRAIGHT UP WRONG MAKING FALSE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE INTENT. Just the facts Jack.
Honestly I was shocked at the significantly higher ROI. In investing that's all that matters.
Also, quite happy as a fellow patron of these threads was unjustly attacked. Haven't seen an apology to him yet either
Now, all kinds of other irrelevant data and excuses as to why the only factual data we have to learn from is somehow not true or "doesn't count" Absurd. it's just MORE BS It's well known the lack of data is an issue Ignoring the data we do have just because
it's not what .commies want to see is Ummm.......unprofessional just like suggesting if a company gets something other than a .com
somehow that makes them instantly ignorant.
Even though Dordomai has been less than pleasant he is at least trying to add to the list something that is benefiting us all.
The SCOREBOARD is almost tied in the number of examples thanks to him.
The good thing for the domainers that back the industry and not just .com is the .com list won't even come close to 180k Roi YES!
For now at least. I and others intend to enjoy the HISTORICAL MOMENT. Who knows if it will continue but it sure will be fun to track.

My business is in the Bay Area. More cc's are showing up and New"g"s are starting to show up Go ahead. Tell paypal, Adobe, and
Facebook, Google and the others I have listed here How "uneducated they are" and while your at it the cc's too. Save them please.
I use these sites. so do other real people.
WHD.Global Domain/Hosting Events
PayPal.me Obvious
ABC.xyz Investor info
Facebook.Design Design Resources
Coffee.Club Obvious
BrewMasters. Club
Twitch.Tv Adobe

Seen These or have been there
Teach.Vegas Heard about this @ NameCon last yr
Escape.Ninga Heard about this via friend
724.Host @HostingCon LA
Freedom.Press SanFrancisco
Ta.co Seen it advertised but re directs to .com
I've also seen .biz/.co /.ai /.io driving around
BhMedia.co Thru NewCo.co SanFranCisco
Ginger.io
Kite.io
AltaMotors.co Electric Motorcycles Bay Area
Happy Hunting

 

[JB Lions]

You're just copying and pasting. It was pointed out in the other thread a lot of what you're posting aren't even new gtlds. .me, .tv, .io, .co are not new gtlds.

 

[168]

I never claimed that any of those were definitely sold to domainers. I said based on the prices and venue, one or two of them probably were. But fine, if you want to compare any old sale from any year and venue to any other sale, be my guest. That sounds like a really good way to do analysis. I didn't do a full analysis or anything either, but that wasn't my goal. The goal was to show how ridiculous some of those comps were like autism.rocks.

.club "became available to the general public on May 7, 2014"
chinese.club 13,750 USD 2014-04-30 Sedo
? April 2014. I'm curious what happened here. Was there a sale or auction on Sedo by the registry before general availability?
Whois says the .club registry owns it now.

Thank for your curiosity . .Club became available 1-28-2014. per .Club site.
Sold at Sedo 4-14 Confirmed. Sedo was selected to auction the premiums at the time. It does look like it was dropped and the
Registrar retained it. Geez who would drop a domain after paying 13+k ?
They have since stopped take backs instead letting all go back to market.
does this clear it up for you ?
Cheers

 

[168]

You're just copying and pasting. It was pointed out in the other thread a lot of what you're posting aren't even new gtlds. .me, .tv, .io, .co are not new gtlds.

The point if you read my post was addressing another's comment and yes It was a time saver to copy. You want to try ripping that
too? Facts are Facts and I can stand behind my posts CAN YOU ?

A lot huh. You can count can't you.? No more spoon feedin you.

9 Are New "G"S
7 Are CC's
Cheers

 

[JB Lions]

-other thread-

 

[Maxwell]

There are these types of "fluke" and "one-off" sales in every extension...

 

[168]

There are these types of "fluke" and "one-off" sales in every extension...

Do you have any examples to share?
Thanks

 

[slader23]

There are these types of "fluke" and "one-off" sales in every extension...

I wonder how many times they need to sell for it to stop being a "fluke" and "one-off"? I thought the whole purpose of something being a "fluke" or "one-off" is that it only happened once........but I guess that changed with NGTLDs...

 

[wormfood]

6 reported sales in .estate on namebio. Four in 2014, two in 2015. Zero in 2016, obviously.

virtual.estate 8,000 USD 2015-05-24 NoktaDomains/ DomainHoldings
apivita.estate 1,635 USD 2015-05-24 Sedo
world.estate 35,000 USD 2014-11-26 Nokta
newyork.estate 9,000 USD 2014-10-15 Private
luxury.estate 50,000 USD 2014-07-16 DomainHoldings
vienna.estate 2,039 USD 2014-06-25 Sedo

18 on dnpric.es. http://dnpric.es/?q=.estate
Just one in 2016: home.estate $31.99 at Dynadot.
Just three in 2015
7 are from February 2014 and sold for $1000 each.

"Well, what do you know...apivita.estate is available
$29.88
Renewal $29.88 for 1 year"

Vienna.estate forwards to a site where someone has put their .estate and other domains for sale down the page.

Yeah, this seems like a great extension to invest in based on reported sales over nearly 3 years.
Luxury.estate sold for 50k so there's no denying..
When there's only one reported "sale" of an extension in 2016, I guess you have to reach back into 2014 and find the highest selling one to find a good comp for an exact match .com..


Autism.rocks is obviously something no one would normally buy to resell to an end user, unless the name was already in use and that person was okay with cybersquatting. It makes no sense to point to this sale.
So yes, it's a "one-off" sale.


204 .global sales on namebio.
68 in 2014. 40 sold by DotGlobal, 28 by ROTD.
55 in 2015. 3 at Afternic, 1 Private, 3 at Sedo, 1 at Uniregistry, 4 at ROTD. The rest are DotGlobal.
81 in 2016. 3 at Sedo, The rest were DotGlobal / .Global Registry

Lookin' good!

If you set the minimum sale price to $5000, you only get 29 sales, which were all sold by the registry.

Okay, here's one on dnpric.es
rentalcars.global
October 2014 $ 7,000.00 USD Afternic

Whois of rentalcars.global.. Admin Email: @traveljigsaw.com.
traveljigsaw goes to rentalcars.com. And the whois of rentalcars.com also shows traveljigsaw.
But rentalcars.global does nothing.

Wait a second, namebio says:
rentalcars.global 7,000 USD 2014-11-19 DotGlobal
Darn..

 

[dordomai]

Okay, here's one on dnpric.es
rentalcars.global
October 2014 $ 7,000.00 USD Afternic

Whois of rentalcars.global.. Admin Email: @traveljigsaw.com.
traveljigsaw goes to rentalcars.com. And the whois of rentalcars.com also shows traveljigsaw.
But rentalcars.global does nothing.

protective purchase.. many sales redirect to the .com

 

[168]

The list came from verified sources. Please no sales post of anything other than New"G" vs .COM Going Forward

OK Healthynews and businesscollege although they look better in the New"G"
qualify for a .Com win.

SCOREBOARD NEW "G" 8 .COM 7 One more and it's a tie

When we get to a tie We can add up the ROI You think the .COM will even get close to 180K after expense?
Happy Hunting

Another one for the NEW "G"s,

Games.Guru 10k 9.23.15
GamesGuru.com 1,400 2.15.10

SCOREBOARD NEW "G" 9 .COM 7

 

[Constantin S]

Another one for the NEW "G"s,

Games.Guru 10k 9.23.15
GamesGuru.com 1,400 2.15.10

SCOREBOARD NEW "G" 9 .COM 7

Stop comparing .com sales from 5+ years ago with 2015/2016 gtld's sales, .com grown a lot since then.
This whole topic makes no sense and IMO it should be closed.

 

[168]

Stop comparing .com sales from 5+ years ago with 2015/2016 gtld's sales, .com grown a lot since then.
This whole topic makes no sense and IMO it should be closed.

Wot!??
Comps are all we have to compare. The claim of .com always having greater value is now debunked. This is just the beginning
There will always be people who choose to not examine the actual market results in favor of beating a dying horse till they see the blood bath.
This topic makes perfect sense to investors of New "G"s.
You may be happier participating in discussions that promote only .coms but here we like to discuss all domains equally.
We are domainers after all and to ignore emerging trends is just dumb. Will it continue ? Who knows? What I can guarantee is
no one expected this trend to show up so early
Thanks for your participation
Happy Hunting!

 

[garptrader]

Interesting topic but I guess we just do not have enough good examples.
If we could compare DOMAINER to END USER for...

MiamiCondos.com vs Miami.condos
RunningShoes.com vs Running.shoes
BeautyTips.com vs Beauty.tips
PremiumDomains.com vs Premium.domains
WeightTraining.com vs Weight.training
etc

However, when you have registry nGTLD sales which months later do not even resolve to a site which promotes a business, one has to question the legitimacy of the sale. I have said it before but I believe for domain sales (in all TLDs) to be considered creditable and not just industry hype to boost registrations and renewal rates, there should be an audit of publicly-reported sales - just like we see for publicly traded stocks.

 

[slader23]

Interesting topic but I guess we just do not have enough good examples.
If we could compare DOMAINER to END USER for...

MiamiCondos.com vs Miami.condos
RunningShoes.com vs Running.shoes
BeautyTips.com vs Beauty.tips
PremiumDomains.com vs Premium.domains
WeightTraining.com vs Weight.training
etc

However, when you have registry nGTLD sales which months later do not even resolve to a site which promotes a business, one has to question the legitimacy of the sale. I have said it before but I believe for domain sales (in all TLDs) to be considered creditable and not just industry hype to boost registrations and renewal rates, there should be an audit of publicly-reported sales - just like we see for publicly traded stocks.

That would be ideal. I hope they can do that at some point, nice parallel.

 

[168]

Interesting topic but I guess we just do not have enough good examples.
If we could compare DOMAINER to END USER for...

MiamiCondos.com vs Miami.condos
RunningShoes.com vs Running.shoes
BeautyTips.com vs Beauty.tips
PremiumDomains.com vs Premium.domains
WeightTraining.com vs Weight.training
etc

However, when you have registry nGTLD sales which months later do not even resolve to a site which promotes a business, one has to question the legitimacy of the sale. I have said it before but I believe for domain sales (in all TLDs) to be considered creditable and not just industry hype to boost registrations and renewal rates, there should be an audit of publicly-reported sales - just like we see for publicly traded stocks.

Although I agree, I just don't get the end user argument. It's like saying if you buy a property, a product, a collectible or more than 1 vehicle etc. and don't use it, it's not legit ? A metric that could be of interest is the number of domains in auction each week globally. It might be easier to track what isn't "in use"

Happy New Year!