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We really need to start and keep a thread on each of the big domain auction sites since some are good and some are bad.

Take a peak at the Moniker Auction contract they want you to sign. I own importationdotcom and wanted to list it with them but after reading the contract I was blown away.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT

THIS EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ____ day of _____****____, 2008, by and between __________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”).

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets or web sites listed on one or more of the ADDENDA hereto (the “Name or Names”), in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Buyer/Seller Agent to use its commercially reasonable efforts to secure purchasers to purchase the Names in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

NOW THEREFORE, the Parties do hereby agree as follows:

TERM OF THE AGREEMENT: Seller grants Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Name(s) for one hundred and twenty (120) calendar days from the date of submitting/declaring one of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA to this Agreement or sixty (60) days from the conclusion of any auction or private sale taking place after the submission/declaring of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA, whichever occurs later (the “Exclusive Sale Period”). The ADDENDA to this Agreement shall consist of, but are not limited to, those items submitted by Seller for selection and acceptance by Buyer/Seller Agent to secure purchasers. This exclusive right and authority to sell period will automatically renew at the end of each term unless Buyer/Seller Agent is notified by Seller in writing within 15 days of expiration that Seller is terminating the Agreement.

Once a Name is submitted by Seller, whether by ADDENDA or otherwise, the Name becomes subject to this Agreement, whether or not Seller is notified that the Name has been selected for the auction or private sale. If, however, Buyer/Seller Agent notifies Seller that a Name has not been selected for auction or private sale, Seller will be permitted to withdraw the Name from submission.

EXCLUSIVITY: During the Exclusive Sale Period, Seller agrees not to use, appoint or engage any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent to act as its agent, sales representative or in a similar capacity with respect to the Names during the term of this Agreement. In the event that Seller sells or markets the Names directly to a buyer or through any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent during the term of this Agreement, Buyer/Seller Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

NON CIRCUMVENTION: In addition to any other rights Buyer/Seller Agent may have, during the term of this Agreement and for a period of two (2) years following the termination of this Agreement, Seller shall not, directly or indirectly:

a.Make contact or attempt to make contact, solicit or attempt to solicit, negotiate
or attempt to negotiate, enter into or attempt to enter into any agreement, and/or transact or attempt to transact any business with any potential purchaser (or such purchaser’s attorneys, agents (other than Moniker), representatives, employees, officers, directors, principals, owners, shareholders, members, managers or any person or entity that is connected, directly or indirectly, with such purchaser) procured by or introduced to Seller by Moniker, except to the extent such contact is through, or with the prior written consent of, Moniker; and

b.Commit any other acts, directly or indirectly, which would affect in any way
whatsoever, circumvent the restrictive covenant stated in subparagraph 3(a) immediately above.

c.In the event that Seller violates the provisions of Section 3(a) or (b), Buyer/Seller
Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

BUYER/SELLER AGENT COMPENSATION:

a. Seller agrees to pay Buyer/Seller Agent a fee for each or any Name sold (the “Fee”) equal to fifteen percent (15%) of the Total Sales Price of such Name that meets or exceeds the agreed upon reserve. Buyer/Seller Agent shall not be authorized to consummate the sale of a Name on Seller’s behalf unless and until Seller has given its written consent to the proposed Total Sales Price for such Name if the reserve price has not been met. Seller understands that Buyer/Seller Agent actually purchases the domain from Seller and then resells the domain/s to the buyer through the sales and auction process.

b. Seller agrees that Buyer/Seller Agent may purchase a Name from Seller during the Exclusive Sale Period in an effort to consummate a sale with another party (For creative financing, special term sales, etc). DomainSystems, Inc./ Moniker.com does become the owner of each domain name in the sales and change of ownership process and through escrow. The Buyer/Seller Agent will not be a bidder at an auction.

c. For purposes hereof, “Total Sales Price” means the sum of the cash and value of any other consideration that a buyer has agreed to pay for the Name, excluding any escrow or finders fee paid by Buyer (as hereinafter defined).

d. The Fee with respect to each sale of a Name consummated during the Exclusive Sale Period shall be paid by Seller to Buyer/Seller Agent (by wire transfer from funds in escrow account).

e. The Buyer/Seller Agent shall have no obligation to deliver any transfer documents until Buyer/Seller Agent has received payment of the required Fee.

5. ERRONEOUS SUBMISSIONS BY SELLER: If Seller erroneously submits a domain to Buyer/Seller hereunder which Seller does not, in fact, own or otherwise have the right to sell, and such error is not discovered prior to the sale of the name by Buyer/Seller Agent, Seller shall nonetheless be responsible to Buyer/Seller Agent for payment of the commission hereunder.

6.REIMBURSEMENT OF COSTS: Buyer/Seller Agent shall bear all costs and expenses incurred by it in connection with the performance of its duties hereunder; provided, however, that Seller shall reimburse Buyer/Seller Agent for any reasonable travel expenses that are expressly pre-approved by Seller in writing and thereafter incurred by Buyer/Seller Agent to attend meetings at Seller’s request.
BUYER/SELLER AGENT RESPONSIBILITIES: Buyer/Seller Agent agrees to use commercially reasonable efforts to secure buyers for the Names during the Exclusive Sale Period. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent may conduct an auction or private/public sale of the Name via the Internet or other reasonable means. Buyer/Seller Agent agrees that its responsibilities shall be performed in a diligent, competent and professional manner. Seller acknowledges and agrees that this Agreement does not require Buyer/Seller Agent to render services solely to Seller or to devote Buyer/Seller Agent’s entire business time and effort to the performance of its duties hereunder. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent shall have the right to act as a sales representative, distributor and/or marketing agent for persons and entities other than Seller, including, without limitation, persons and entities who are or who may be in competition with Seller.

SELLER RESPONSIBILITIES: Seller agrees to do the following during the Exclusive Sales Period:

a. Refer all previous, pending and future inquires from brokers, Buyer/Seller Agents, purchasers or others interested in the Names to Buyer/Seller Agent;

b. Provide Buyer/Seller Agent with complete and accurate information regarding Seller and the Names promptly upon request by Buyer/Seller Agent;

c. Assist Buyer/Seller Agent in the marketing and sale of the Name as may reasonably be requested (such assistance shall be at Buyer/Seller Agent’s sole expense unless Seller provides express written authorization in advance); and

d. Provide to Buyer/Seller Agent such other information and data as Buyer/Seller Agent may reasonably request from time to time in order to permit Buyer/Seller Agent to perform its duties hereunder.

REPRESENTATIONS OF SELLER: Seller represents and warrants to Buyer/Seller Agent that it (i) has the authority to enter into this Agreement and (ii) possesses, and has the authority to transfer, good, valid and marketable title to the Name(s). Seller further warrants and represents to Buyer/Seller Agent that: 1) Seller is the sole owner of all right, title and interest in the Name(s); 2) the Name(s) are/is being transferred to Buyer/Seller Agent free of any liens, encumbrances, restrictions, licenses, or security interests; 3) Seller properly purchased and registered the Name(s) without committing fraud or misrepresentation; 4) the Name(s) do/does not infringe the rights of any third party; and 5) the Name(s) have/has not been, and are/is not currently the subject of any litigation, claims, arbitration or other legal proceeding, either pending, contemplated or threatened, nor has Seller received any notice of any such pending items.

ESCROW: Except as otherwise agreed to in a writing signed by both parties, the contemplated purchase and sale of any Name(s) hereunder shall take place pursuant to Buyer/Seller Agent’s escrow procedures set forth in the terms and conditions contained on Buyer/Seller Agent’s website (which are incorporated herein), as amended from time to time.

INDEMNIFICATION: Seller hereby agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Buyer/Seller Agent, its officers, directors, shareholders, employees and agents, from and against any and all loss, damage, liability or expense (including reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs), to which they may be put or which they may incur by reason of, or in connection with, any misrepresentation made by Seller, any breach of any of warranties by Seller, Seller’s failure to fulfill any of its covenants or obligations under this Agreement, or any trademark, copyright or patent infringement arising out of or relating to the Name(s), or in any way arising out of Buyer/Seller Agent’s being a party to, or Buyer/Seller Agent’s performance of, this Agreement, other than through Buyer/Seller Agent’s gross negligence or willful misconduct. The foregoing obligation shall exist only if Buyer/Seller Agent (i) promptly notifies Seller of such claim, (ii) provides Seller with reasonable information, assistance and cooperation in defending the lawsuit or proceeding and (iii) gives Seller exclusive control and sole authority over the defense and settlement of such claim.

JOINT MATERIALS: The Parties agree that all marketing materials developed in connection with the services performed by Buyer/Seller Agent hereunder shall be the joint property of Buyer/Seller Agent and Seller and neither party shall use such materials after the Exclusive Sale Period without the prior written approval of the other Party.

RELATIONSHIP OF THE PARTIES; REPORTING OF INCOME. Buyer/Seller Agent is retained hereunder as an independent contractor and nothing herein contained shall create an employer/employee, principal/agent, partnership or joint venture relationship between the Parties. The Parties agree that Buyer/Seller Agent shall include all compensation it receives hereunder in its own books or account for inclusion on its own applicable tax return, that Buyer/Seller Agent shall be responsible for payment of all income and employment taxes thereon, and that such compensation will not be subject to any offset, employee payroll taxes or other deduction.

CONFIDENTIALITY: Each Party agrees that it shall not disclose the terms of this Agreement to any person or persons except as required by applicable law or compelled by a court of competent jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Section 12 shall not apply to disclosures made by a Party to its agents, employees and advisors to whom such disclosure is necessary in order to perform pursuant to this Agreement.

ATTORNEY’S FEES AND COSTS: In connection with any litigation arising out of this Agreement, the prevailing party, whether Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, shall be entitled to recover all costs incurred, including reasonable attorney’s fees, for services rendered in connection with such litigation, including appellate proceedings and post-judgment proceedings.
DISCLOSURES: Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent specifically acknowledge and understand that if either Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent knows of facts materially affecting the value of the Name(s), whether said facts are readily observable or not, Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, as applicable, shall disclose these facts to the other Party.

NOTICES: Any notice required or permitted to be delivered pursuant to this Agreement must be delivered by facsimile, U.S. Mail, certified or registered mail, or overnight courier, and addressed as set forth below the signature line of the Party to whom notice is being given, or to such other address as the Parties may from time to time designate by notice in writing to the other Party.

GOVERNING LAW: This Agreement shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of Florida, without respect to its conflict of laws provisions. Venue for any litigation arising under, or in connection with, this Agreement shall be in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

ENTIRE AGREEMENT: This Agreement constitutes and represents the entire agreement between the Parties and supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, written or oral, between the Parties respecting the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement may be amended, supplemented or modified only upon an agreement in writing executed by all of the Parties. This Agreement shall inure to the benefit of and shall be binding upon the Parties and their respective successors and assigns. If any provision of this Agreement shall be determined to be invalid, void or illegal, such provision shall be construed and amended in a manner which would permit its enforcement, but in no event shall such provision affect, impair or invalidate any other provision in this Agreement.
Headings For Convenience: As used in this Agreement, captions and paragraph headings are provided solely for convenience and shall not be deemed to restrict, limit or interpret the meaning of the text.

COUNTERPARTS: This Agreement may be executed in one or more counterparts, each of which shall be deemed an original, but all of which together shall constitute one and the same instrument. Photocopies, signatures reproduced by mechanical, digital or other means, and/or facsimile transmittal signature pages may be used instead of originals.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned have set their hands and seals on the date first written above.

SELLER:
By:
Name:
Title:
Moniker Account #:
Email:
Phone:
Fax:

Address:
BUYER/SELLER AGENT:
DOMAINSYSTEMS, INC.
By:
Name: Monte Cahn
Title President/CEO
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 954-984-8445
Fax: 954-969-9155
Address: 20 SW 27th Ave.
Pompano Beach, FL 33069


ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT
Declaration / DESCRIPTION Of Assets (if applicable)

My Moniker.com Account Number is:____________


THIS IS AN ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ___ day of _______, 2008, by and between _____________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”) whereas, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets, or web sites listed hereto of which additional items may be added. This ADDENDUM represents the declaration and description of assets as described hereto.

1.Assets – Tangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________
1. Assets – Intangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

2. The liens and or encumbrances and or options to purchase Assets described above consist of:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

3. Please list all of the owners of the Assets described above?

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

4. Documents of title ownership / leans, such as a UCC filing, are filed in the facility listed below on the date listed below:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

5. If patents are listed above, can you provide due diligence they do not infringe on any other parties rights?

Yes - ________________________________________________________________________
No - ________________________________________________________________________

6. Please describe any current or pending litigation, decrees, judicial proceedings or judgments of courts related to the entities, corporate or personal, having interest in the Assets listed above:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
7.How many personnel, doing what, are required to support the Assets listed above on a weekly basis:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

8.If / when the Assets above are sold, how would you foresee the transition process and what if any of the above personnel would contribute to the transition:

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________


9.The monthly gross revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

10.The monthly net revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

11.The revenue amounts provided above are verified specifically by *********************_____________________________________________________________, yet it should be

known that: ___________________________________________________________________.

12.It is also important to know that: ________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

Additional descriptions of items above and supporting documents may be added to this Addendum and become one and part of the whole.

This document is completed by one of the owners representing all owners of the Assets described above and the information provided is true and accurate to the best of my ability.

As owner this is submitted by:

Signed: __________________________________
Title: ____________________________________
Printed Name: ____________________________
Company: _______________________________
Date: ___________________________________
 
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pixelpadre said:
"Bigtime?"

Have you even looked at their last auction results?

http://marketplacepro.moniker.com/auction/events/188/results.html
Yes, "bigtime" -- the CAC auction is always a smaller deal. Nice of you to point out one of their smallest auctions as somehow representative of what they do.

Maybe you haven't paid any attention to past TRAFFIC auctions? Here are some 2006 auction results, since they're the first that popped up for me in Google:

http://www.moniker.com/auctions/traffic-east-2006/index.jsp

Sorry, but anything over $100,000 is "bigtime" to me.
 
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dag said:
Yes, "bigtime" -- the CAC auction is always a smaller deal. Nice of you to point out one of their smallest auctions as somehow representative of what they do.

Smaller deal? It was their last auction. Go figure.



Maybe you haven't paid any attention to past TRAFFIC auctions? Here are some 2006 auction results, since they're the first that popped up for me in Google:

Further proof that Monikers best days are behind them. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
http://www.moniker.com/auctions/traffic-east-2006/index.jsp

Sorry, but anything over $100,000 is "bigtime" to me.

Another thing I forgot to mention...in the fine print it states that either party is forbidden to disclose the terms of the contract. How is that helping the seller? Sounds like they may have something to hide more than it sounds like working as a broker on the sellers behalf.
 
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Now, I haven't found occasion to use their auction service just yet.

Okay, well, let's pretend you’re a “big time” domainer, and you do have occasion to use Moniker's auction service. Let’s pretend you own a million dollar domain. All things considered, would you feel good about signing the Moniker contract? Would you even consider it? If so, Moniker thanks you...and will reward you by soon raising their take to 20% for your next domain at auction.

Speaking only for myself, I certainly wouldn't sign anything like that or give up anything to list it in any auction, especially Moniker's. In fact, they'd have to offer incentives in my favor just for me to list it with them. Would that mean a different (undisclosed) contract? Sure would if they wanted to list my million dollar domain. Think about it.

Then think about this: Why should it be any different for other domains? If you sign their contract that is there to supposedly "protect our interests as well as yours"...if your domain sells at auction, Moniker gets their share and you get yours...fair enough, since you agreed to it. But if your domain doesn't sell, what do you get? In return for an unsold domain, you don't even get financial control of your domain back...because your domain didn't sell in their auction, they get exclusive selling rights to it for a minimum of two months and limited financial rights to it for two years. Tell me how that's for my protection and not about money for Moniker.
 
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I have a feeling that they will adjust their contract soon, because as it stands it is totally one sided and unfair to the point that it might be considered entrapment. No company has the right to gain control over their customers beyond what is absolutely necessary for the legitimate operation of their business. Unfortunately it is now a trend with some attorneys throwing in certain clauses in contracts for the sole purpose of gaining control over people in areas that are not related to nor necessary for the legitimate operation of the company and that only serve to keep everyone at their mercy so that they can decide how far they want to take advantage of them later on. In my opinion people do not have any obligations to honor such contracts no matter which company they are dealing with.

My advice to those who want to be domainer friendly is to make sure that your contracts, TOS and prices including any fees or commissions are fair and just to all sides, reply to customer emails and inquiries in a timely and helpful manner (don’t ignore the little guys) and be sure not to abuse your position of control and power over your customers and then you will have a lot of happy domainers on your side. :)


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Monte, is the same contract used by the big domainers as well ?
 
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pixelpadre said:
Another thing I forgot to mention...in the fine print it states that either party is forbidden to disclose the terms of the contract. How is that helping the seller? Sounds like they may have something to hide more than it sounds like working as a broker on the sellers behalf.

Wouldn't they be in breach of their own contract when they decided to disclose the minimum seller's prices in the silent auctions? Seems to me there is a serious conflict of interests in this contract. As a seller and the one who pays the commission, I expect full representation on my behalf. In real estate, dual agency relationships must be properly disclosed to both parties and the agent's fiduciary duties to each party should be clearly stated. In my experience, working with Moniker has left me, the seller, feeling confused as to who they represent, me or the aftermarket. Yeah, sure they have sold a couple of my names. The question is, did Moniker's efforts sell my names or did my names sell themselves due to low pricing, which of course Moniker insisted upon?
 
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Charley said:
Monte, is the same contract used by the big domainers as well ?

I'd bet your retirement that they didnt get 15% when they sold porn.com for 9 million.
 
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pixelpadre said:
I'd bet your retirement that they didnt get 15% when they sold porn.com for 9 million.

How come? What % would they have gotten?
 
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Broker said:
If everyone would just park their domains with a "This domain is for sale by owner:" contact email, they all "monikers etc" would loose bigtime. Use escrow.com or related service and save yourself the commission fees.


Spot on. A notice on your website is the best sales tool you can get. That way you sell to an end user, not a domainer, which means you have a chance of getting a really good return.

Auctions are only good if you have tier one names.

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tight-aggressive said:
How come? What % would they have gotten?

That won't be disclosed. But I presume 5 % or something.
 
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The question moniker needs to ask themselves is does this contract make them money or not. While it may prevent the odd run around of the auction process, it appears to be costing them considerable good will.

The problem moniker faces is they can see when a customer sneaks out of paying a commission, but they can't measure how many customers they are losing because of this contract. This makes it very hard for them to get the balance right between protecting their auction process and attracting new customers. This is something I spend a lot of time thinking about in my business and there are no easy answers.
 
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Thirsty said:
The question moniker needs to ask themselves is does this contract make them money or not. While it may prevent the odd run around of the auction process, it appears to be costing them considerable good will.

The problem moniker faces is they can see when a customer sneaks out of paying a commission, but they can't measure how many customers they are losing because of this contract. This makes it very hard for them to get the balance right between protecting their auction process and attracting new customers. This is something I spend a lot of time thinking about in my business and there are no easy answers.

A two (2) year protection period exceeds the need to protect themselves and crosses into the "domain" of greed, abuse, and contempt. :imho:

There was a time when all cell phone contracts required 2 year commitments. Now, in an effort to get new customers, cell and satellite companies are offering no long term commitment contracts......as I suspect Moniker does.
 
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verbster said:
But if your domain doesn't sell, what do you get?
One idea behind this contract is you're 99% (if not 100%) sure the domain will
sell. Otherwise, why bother?

Needless to say, this isn't for everyone.

Thirsty said:
The question moniker needs to ask themselves is does this contract make them money or not.
If Moniker used the same contract discussed here in, say, any of their recent
auctions below:

http://marketplacepro.moniker.com/auction/index.html

Then there's one answer.

While I'm not entirely sure of the rationale behind the 2-year thing, it might be
similar to, say, some employees' contracts having a 1 (or 2?) year ban working
for a competitor after resigning or being fired. Just guessing, though.
 
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RogueWriter said:
I'd be willing to bet there is one heck of a lot more effort put into the marketing/selling of a house than a domain name.
In the marketing and selling of homes, there are a number of active tasks that the Broker undertakes: calling prospective Buyers, Broker previews, Open Houses, canvasing neighborhoods with for sale flyers, emailing/calling one's sphere of influence informing them of the available property. The principle here is to go out and get Buyers.

There is also passive marketing: entering properties into the MLS database, PPC campaigns, etc. The principle here is to let Buyers find me.

For Sellers to get the most bang for the commission buck, Brokers augment active and passive marketing.

Regarding domain brokerage in general:

What degree do Brokers actively market domain names? Do Brokers have contacts in other industries that they contact weekly, providing them a list of domains covered under Exclusive Agreement? If so, exactly which companies in which industries are contacted? Do domain brokers work WHOIS records for prospective end-users and send auction invites or notify them that domains are available that may fit their business?

This information should be disclosed to the Seller when a non-circumvent clause is on the table. Exactly who can't the Seller sell to within a certain time period?
 
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Dave Zan said:
While I'm not entirely sure of the rationale behind the 2-year thing, it might be
similar to, say, some employees' contracts having a 1 (or 2?) year ban working
for a competitor after resigning or being fired. Just guessing, though.

Right I can see the similarities, moniker training us and all for years and telling us their company secrets...............

oops there goes that sarcasm again.
 
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mcahn said:
Just a reminder folks - if any of you have ever auctioned anything through Christie's or Sotheby's, then you would fall off your chair if you think our agreement is that bad.

Was watching on TV last night a story about those two. Their highest commission rate is 10% but most cases 2%. Ironically the Dept of Justice convicted them of conspiring to keep commission rates high.

mCahn said:
Auto renewal is also standard on just about anything you sign these days, but we do allow you to strike that clause if you do not want us to keep marketing and selling your domains.

page 9 Florida Realtor Apr'08: Sect 475.25(1)(r) FL Statutes provides that any real estate licensee is in violation if they have not included a definite expiration date and that automatic renewals does not qualify as such.
 
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pixelpadre said:
Was watching on TV last night a story about those two. Their highest commission rate is 10% but most cases 2%. Ironically the Dept of Justice convicted them of conspiring to keep commission rates high.

Actually those numbers are for Christie's.

Sotheby's website publishes their commission structure.

http://www.sothebys.com/help/faq/faq_duringauction.html

A little higher but no where near what Monte was saying.

If you'll notice though - their commission is charged to the buyer based on the tiered commission structure and not from the seller's earnings.

Christie's commissions are here:

http://www.christies.com/howtosell/termsofsale.asp

FWIW, in defense of cutting special deals. I contacted Moniker last year about a 6 figure buy and wanted to see if they could lower their percentage for escrow on it. I was told their percentages were firm. I don't know if the same is true for domains that are auctioned (ie the referred to 'preferred' pricing) but I can't imagine it would be given that they lost a several thousand dollar commission on a relatively easy transaction because of not budging.
 
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Its hard to imagine emails from bigtime domainers going unanswered, or them being punished with higher commission rates if they complained.
 
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oldtimer said:
Its hard to imagine emails from bigtime domainers going unanswered, or them being punished with higher commission rates if they complained.

I think they have a seperate agreement form.
 
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pixelpadre said:
page 9 Florida Realtor Apr'08: Sect 475.25(1)(r) FL Statutes provides that any real estate licensee is in violation if they have not included a definite expiration date and that automatic renewals does not qualify as such.
Are domain names real estate in Florida?

And please, not that sex.com thing again. Its decision hasn't been used in any
other similar or related dispute AFAIK.
 
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This is one of the ugliest threads I have seen.

There is a real problem here that needs serious attention.
 
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Well, they need to be given a chance to correct this situation, but to say that nothing is wrong with this contract and being protective of the current process is simply putting one’s interest above all principles.




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oldtimer said:
Well, they need to be given a chance to correct this situation, but to say that nothing is wrong with this contract and being protective of the current process is simply putting one’s interest above all principles.

Their hard nosed approach to "if you ignore it (this thread), it will go away" is the same hard nosed approach to their take it or leave it contract. At least they are consistent. :zzz:

Dave Zan said:
Are domain names real estate in Florida?

And please, not that sex.com thing again. Its decision hasn't been used in any
other similar or related dispute AFAIK.

AFAIK?

To my knowledge, domains arent real estate, but Mr. Monte compared them to real estate.

Supreme court has ruled that domains are in fact real estate though. But I think that was for the purpose of income tax or something. Been a while since they commented on that. Time flies.
 
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pixelpadre said:
To my knowledge, domains arent real estate, but Mr. Monte compared them to real estate.

It's Internet Real Estate. :)
 
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