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I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
Alot of this is numbers from nowhere. You've applied "fuzzy logic" and it has spat out the answer you want, *buy alt tlds*.
The fact is collections of cheap names have very high holding costs. The same is true for low quality .com's, over time they have seriously underperfomed names that do not have reg fees as a major component of their price. The odds are stacked against the person with high holding costs and names of uncertain value.
When you buy lots of cheap alt tld you aren't really spreading risk, the asset you are buying are all in the same category (high risk alternatives to the norm). Diversification does not mean not mean buying unusual assets of low value. If you were about to retire an investment advisor wouldn't be saying telling you to put 50% of your money in 100 different laregly unknown investments that in total represent 1% of the market. Most of the market, 99% of it value wise, is c/n/o and country codes.
Dude, that is obvious, whether it is a good idea or not is another thing entirely.
I respect your reply; fair comments indeed, we simply disagree on a few points..
1. You are relying on a single $10k (2009) value dotcom holding it's value relative to the market..
(so if we see 25% inflation over 5 years you're looking for $12,500 + any 'real' capital gain)
2. You say 99% of value is c/n/o & country codes). I agree with you to a point but I believe that there will be a shift within that group; country codes will outperform in relative terms.
3. I genuinely believe that your list in 5 years will be that 99% of the value is is c/countrycodes/mobi/n/o (and in that order) .
I'm not relying on anything holding its value, I'm simply saying cheap names have issues with holding costs. Buy 10 $1000 names if you want. $6 names however are a huge risk.
I know you know but can I remind you anyway... not least because it is very important! EVERY SINGLE DOMAIN was once a $6 name and the launch of a new TLD is when that $6 opportunity presents itself. I am happy with 10 x $1,000 names for the sake of this discussion but I am also happy with my reg fee domains... (luckily I have the option to use my brain to identify good names to reg and then the luxury of time and of course the option to drop at the end of year 1, 2 or 3 and lose only my reg fee for that particular domain. I feel very confident that I can reg $1,000 domains for $6 as I have already sold some for over $2,000
It has already happened in my view over the last year or so. That is to say nothing for the future. I think a couple of years ago many would have predicted .mobi to outperform, instead of that it was the peak of the market.
How can a market peak when it's target market is the fastest growing thing on the planet? mobile internet is at 2 or 3 on a scale of 10... :imho: There was a peak in domainer circles as there is after any launch.. many people bale out within the 1st 6 months - that's normal in any market economy... the end user market has no more peaked than has the environmental lobby or space exploration (yes, I know... off on a tangent there! lol
I don't doubt that you think that, are you believing in your own BS though, that is the question?
It would be wrong of me not to have faith in my own beliefs, I'm not trying to sell you snake oil.... I am 100% behind what I say about dotmobi.
I mean that seriously, remember we are all wrong about 50% of the time and when it comes to predictions involving a future change we are probably wrong an even higher % of the time. Personally I have no certain idea what the future will bring, so I'm interested in doing what works today, that does not including owning domain where the reg fees have a large effect on the domain value, it is like living in a country with 90% taxes, the odds are stacked against you.
If I thought I could only be wrong 50% of the time I'd be very happy! Funny you mention 90% tax... have you lived in the UK before? lol I totally respect your policy of sticking with what you know works.. it's safer that way & I cannot deny that for a moment.. but tell me, IF dotmobi proves to be a good punt, do you deny that the % growth will beat your safe play? (I also accept that if it doesn't prove such a wise move that I will make far less than you will - that is why I have other investments outside of domaining).
where are the .mobi sales?:gl:
where are the .mobi sales?:gl:
If people are able to sell .mobis at even an average rate compared to the major TLDs, then good luck to .mobi and there probably will be some big sales in the future.If .mobi can create sales and exchanges, then it will be back on track...
How can a market peak when it's target market is the fastest growing thing on the planet?
IF dotmobi proves to be a good punt, do you deny that the % growth will beat your safe play?
dotcomisdead - There are diehard anti-mobi domainers. No matter how you explain anything they will spin it negatively against .mobi.
Re: the $10,000 single LLL.com vs. $10k worth of .mobi regs. I get your point loud and clear even if some can't.
All domain investing is speculative. Even the "safest" domainer trading cards - LLL.com - took a big hit and tanked to under $3k each for a while. And to see the fallicy of "just .com domaining" even more clearly look at the "little sisters" - the LLLL.coms. Reece's signature says it all ... "Under 500 LLLL.coms left. Only $1.50 per if you buy all."
$1.50 each for LLLL.coms? Say, weren't the next big safest .com domainer investment all locked at about $40-$50 each just last fall? Can't go wrong with dot com ... right .... That same $$$ could have been invested in pure generic .mobi names that have REAL WORLD meaning and straight forward development potential instead of being domainer trading cards.
Back to the OP's question ... the answer is that it is NP, not the extension although this thread is reviving the discussion here at NP. Dot mobi domaining is active as others mentioned. Lively, friendly, substantive discussion and real development is taking place elsewhere. Somewhere without the need to constantly justify the extension to those who either refuse to admit there is good potential to this new extension or those who just make sport of arguing. We all know that long story.
That's my answer. Now I'm just gonna skedaddle.:notme:
Ask the market? It has peaked. It is a bit like the Nasdaq, how could it have peaked 9 years ago when the Internet has grown so much? The answer is people get well ahead of reality with valuations.
You'd hope so given the risk levels involved with it.
Today I received that mail from one of the European banks I use:
PS: they have their .mobi too and it's dead.
Toodle pip™
. That same $$$ could have been invested in pure generic .mobi names that have REAL WORLD meaning and straight forward development potential instead of being domainer trading cards.
All domain investing is speculative. Even the "safest" domainer trading cards - LLL.com - took a big hit and tanked to under $3k each for a while. And to see the fallicy of "just .com domaining" even more clearly look at the "little sisters" - the LLLL.coms. Reece's signature says it all ... "Under 500 LLLL.coms left. Only $1.50 per if you buy all."
$1.50 each for LLLL.coms? Say, weren't the next big safest .com domainer investment all locked at about $40-$50 each just last fall?
Can't go wrong with dot com ... right .... That same $$$ could have been invested in pure generic .mobi names that have REAL WORLD meaning and straight forward development potential instead of being domainer trading cards.
Dot mobi domaining is active as others mentioned.
Tell me in 2015 that the market peaked in 2007 and we might have the supporting evidence to back up your statement... (but I doubt it) But to say that now is far too soon AND don't you know it!
Toodle Pip
The low end LLLL.coms actually have a lot in common with .mobi -- they both have very high holding costs and they both lost about 98% of their original value.
Bravo jmcc for a always bringing a dose of reality.Actually .mobi is not dead. It has a sustained level of new registrations each month and now it has started to grow again. Domaining is not the sole method of evaluating an extension.
Regards...jmcc
If someone had $5000 they wanted to invest in domains, I'd tell them to avoid .mobi at all costs. If they had 500k to invest, putting 5k into .mobi isn't really going to negatively impact their ROI in any significant way. Putting a little money in .mobi is like putting a little money in one of those collapsed bank stocks -- ten years from now looking back, it may have been a great deal or ten years from now you might have lost everything. Like Snoop has said many times, the bad thing about cheap domains is that you can lose a whole lot more than you initially invested over time because those renewal fees keep on coming year after year.
Like LLLL.coms, I would put .mobi into 2 different risk categories -- the people owning $10 domains and the people owning $100+ domains. Obviously the cheaper the domain, the higher the risk.
There's probably a couple thousand poor LLL.coms that will likely always remain just domainer trading cards. It's been 20 years and they're still unwanted by end users.
The naysayers (for what ever their reason) and CNO-statist, PPC-minded "experts" had and have the same opportunity to domain with the rest of us who do hold some or many .mobi names. They choose not to. That's fine. But to rule as lords over others who do not share their limited view of the domaining world is
Essentially regarding what dotcomisdead argued with snoop - I'd much rather have 100 or dozens of nice .mobi generics instead of 3 crappy letter combination LLL.com names or 1 better quality LLL.com. Think REAL world application. You have a dozens of chances to either resell some or all of the .mobis in the future at a profit. Or you can build out sites on the .mobis. There is real value there.
@ REECE - If someone had $5000 they wanted to invest in domains, I'D tell them to avoid most run of the mill and lousy letter LLLL.coms and LLLL.nets at all costs. I know that the $1.50 LLL.coms you were selling were for someone else. But THEY gave up some serious cash on their .COMs.
Bottom line is that I'm not saying that a NICE LLL.com holds no value. I'm just saying there is more potential locked up in 100 nice generic .mobi terms. Only one or two or a handful can pay for all the rest and their renewal fees for many years.
Whereas, IF you have all your .com egg(s) in one basket you are at a bigger risk. Because unfortunately even some LLL.coms have become UDRP targets. And if implemented, the newly proposed ICANN rules will make that risk even greater. So their "return" can go negative in a hurry. Dot coms are not 100% safe. Forget about holding costs then because you might not get to hold your .com. I KNOW that's extreme but so is totally writing off the future of .mobi as several of you guys (and gals) continue to do.
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The LLLL and CVCVCVCC domainer craze is still going and it spills over from .com and .net. You have more domainers constantly churning that stuff and in total throwing more money at it than at .mobi names.
Also, for all the bellyaching domainers do about the perceived shortcomings of dotMobi, they are a VERY active organization doing more to build their brand and legacy than any other registry. Long term business plans do not match the flipper mentality of 95% of domainers.
All the LLL.mobis are bought up again now so the minimum is above "$0".
The naysayers (for what ever their reason) and CNO-statist, PPC-minded "experts" had and have the same opportunity to domain with the rest of us who do hold some or many .mobi names. They choose not to. That's fine. But to rule as lords over others who do not share their limited view of the domaining world is
Essentially regarding what dotcomisdead argued with snoop - I'd much rather have 100 or dozens of nice .mobi generics instead of 3 crappy letter combination LLL.com names or 1 better quality LLL.com.
Whereas, IF you have all your .com egg(s) in one basket you are at a bigger risk. Because unfortunately even some LLL.coms have become UDRP targets. And if implemented, the newly proposed ICANN rules will make that risk even greater. So their "return" can go negative in a hurry. Dot coms are not 100% safe. Forget about holding costs then because you might not get to hold your .com. I KNOW that's extreme but so is totally writing off the future of .mobi as several of you guys (and gals) continue to do.
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If enduser really wanted .mobi's you'd see alot of UDRP's aswell.
Hardly - No, it is just more "acceptable" in the eyes of the CNO crowd for domainers to continue to throw reg fees year after year at LLLL, LLLLL, and CVCVCVCC stuff just because they are ".com".snoop said:Hardly, it die(d) some time ago.
Yes, that is YOUR view. Just because some others can't seem to give credit where credit is due does not mean that dotMobi is not making strides in bringing .mobi along as part of the burgeoning mobile web.snoop said:Most of the what they did was about selling domains to domainers in my view.
snoop said:The buyout collpased so obviously it did fall to that level. Not sure what they are worth now, I'm guess a few dollars.
snoop said:Isn't it ironic that you'd describe those who chose not to invest in these names as having "limited views", yet clearly the people who did invest have in the majority of instances lost most of the money their money.
I made my argument for the possibilities. Entrepreneurial risk taking is seeing possibilities where others with entrenched views can't seem to or CHOOSE not to do so. That is a personal decision. If one personally does not have the stomach or wish to move off dead center then they shouldn't.snoop said:Should we be shocked that you'd prefer to have the .mobi's?
No, It's more like telling people that there is more risk - and potential LOST OPPORTUNITY - in having only (1) $10,000 lot in a prime location subject to earthquakes or tornadoes than having (100) different $100 lots in new neighborhoods to build on. Less risk, more opportunity.snoop said:The reason why "Dot coms are not 100% safe." from udrp is because they are desired. If enduser really wanted .mobi's you'd see alot of UDRP's aswell. It is a bit like telling people not to live in a nice house because you might get robbed.